Can someone explain this for me....

[blubyyou]

http://www.betanews.com/article/New_...nge/1189196071

The link above is to the entire article this could be a big change to the entire High Def disk market. Especially with Sun Microsystems involvement.

If ever there were a time for either Blu-ray or HD DVD manufacturers to play a trump card, now may be the time, and this could be the one: A consortium of Chinese university engineers and government officials, in cooperation with a Chinese video standards group that includes globally recognized manufacturers, plus the DVD Forum, have come to an agreement on a standard specification for a blue-laser disc mechanism and format specifically for the Chinese market.

The new group will be called the China High Definition DVD Industry Association, or just CHDA, and this is not the last you will hear of it.


The agreement announced early this morning US time is critical, because up until now, China has been reluctant to participate in the high-definition video disc industry unless it had an opportunity to bring its own video encoding standard to bear: AVS, a codec which incorporates elements of MPEG-2, but is otherwise different from -- and some argue, better than -- other MPEG encoding standards and VC-1 in important respects.

Now, the DVD Forum's involvement has evidently made it possible for Chinese manufacturers to produce components that play blue-laser, high-def discs using the Chinese national standard, though which are fundamentally compatible with HD DVD with only minor adjustments.

The upshot here is this: The same country that has literally upset the LCD TV industry on its ear in just the last year alone, now has the specifications it needs to do the same with high-def video discs. While it makes so-called CH-DVD players for the home market (the name is subject to change, the new consortium says), China can also produce HD DVD players for the rest of the world, at prices that can best be described as Chinese.

All of a sudden, the incentive for studios such as Warner Bros. to call a halt to exploiting new disc technologies its own engineers had patented, and for Paramount to jump ship and abort its Blu-ray support, may be becoming clear.

Looks like another piece of the puzzle why P/DW went with HD DVD?

[truthsayer]

Originally Posted by blubyyou

http://www.betanews.com/article/New_...nge/1189196071

The link above is to the entire article this could be a big change to the entire High Def disk market. Especially with Sun Microsystems involvement.

If ever there were a time for either Blu-ray or HD DVD manufacturers to play a trump card, now may be the time, and this could be the one: A consortium of Chinese university engineers and government officials, in cooperation with a Chinese video standards group that includes globally recognized manufacturers, plus the DVD Forum, have come to an agreement on a standard specification for a blue-laser disc mechanism and format specifically for the Chinese market.

The new group will be called the China High Definition DVD Industry Association, or just CHDA, and this is not the last you will hear of it.


The agreement announced early this morning US time is critical, because up until now, China has been reluctant to participate in the high-definition video disc industry unless it had an opportunity to bring its own video encoding standard to bear: AVS, a codec which incorporates elements of MPEG-2, but is otherwise different from -- and some argue, better than -- other MPEG encoding standards and VC-1 in important respects.

Now, the DVD Forum's involvement has evidently made it possible for Chinese manufacturers to produce components that play blue-laser, high-def discs using the Chinese national standard, though which are fundamentally compatible with HD DVD with only minor adjustments.

The upshot here is this: The same country that has literally upset the LCD TV industry on its ear in just the last year alone, now has the specifications it needs to do the same with high-def video discs. While it makes so-called CH-DVD players for the home market (the name is subject to change, the new consortium says), China can also produce HD DVD players for the rest of the world, at prices that can best be described as Chinese.

All of a sudden, the incentive for studios such as Warner Bros. to call a halt to exploiting new disc technologies its own engineers had patented, and for Paramount to jump ship and abort its Blu-ray support, may be becoming clear.

Looks like another piece of the puzzle why P/DW went with HD DVD?

I hope they are going to make Blu-ray players too . I would like a $99.00 player for the bedroom and cottage.

[Zaphod]

That is until we find out they are made with lead paint!

[Jamh]

I doubt it, considering China Huala Group (sp?) one of the largest DVD/film groups in China just joined the BDA and has applied for AVS to become a Blu-ray standard. This isn't the first time I've heard about China's HDM and how it's possible they could make HD-DVD players too and so far the only thing they've got is cheap Venturer players that even Wal-Mart won't sell.

[blubyyou]

This was the part I was intregued by.

Leading the development of this standard would be Prof. Ahmad, who by that time had joined the University of Texas at Arlington. There, he and the university would receive a $200,000 grant from Sun Microsystems, which was evidently impressed by the use of the UltraSPARC-1 in the Hong Kong team's tests.

On a side note I am curious as to why this was moved to the off topic discussion area as it pertains to the high def media war.

[CouchPotato]

Let me see if I got this right.

CH-DVD is meant for the China market only and includes the AVS codec so Chinese companies don't have to deal with paying licensing fees.

However, the CH-DVD standard is very close to HD-DVD and so, while the Chinese are busy pumping out tons of CH-DVD units, they can just make some tweaks and start pumping out tons of HD-DVD units.

So the impact is that probably next year, we will indeed see a flood of Chinese HD-DVD players in NA. All of the off-brand variety. Although this is no different than what we've suspected all along. At some point, the Chinese will make a cheap player for NA.

And I guess that still doesn't preclude China from producing a cheap BD player at some point as well.

Is that right?


P.S. Yeah, this should be moved to general discussion.

[blubyyou]

Originally Posted by CouchPotato

Let me see if I got this right.

CH-DVD is meant for the China market only and includes the AVS codec so Chinese companies don't have to deal with paying licensing fees.

However, the CH-DVD standard is very close to HD-DVD and so, while the Chinese are busy pumping out tons of CH-DVD units, they can just make some tweaks and start pumping out tons of HD-DVD units.

So the impact is that probably next year, we will indeed see a flood of Chinese HD-DVD players in NA. All of the off-brand variety. Although this is no different than what we've suspected all along. At some point, the Chinese will make a cheap player for NA.

And I guess that still doesn't preclude China from producing a cheap BD player at some point as well.

Is that right?


P.S. Yeah, this should be moved to general discussion.

That is what I take away from it also and with Sun Microsystems involvement and grants it seems like a bigger push for the NA HD DVD format also. I also agree this should be in the GD section.

[aygie]

http://www.betanews.com/article/New_...e/1189196071/1

Some people are saying that this will end the war, can someone explain it in laymen terms please.

[Blu-dock Saint]

Originally Posted by Aygie

http://www.betanews.com/article/New_...e/1189196071/1

Some people are saying that this will end the war, can someone explain it in laymen terms please.

Sigh, that was a lot of reading, and its well, whats new with this, havent the hd dud fans been bragging about stuff like this for months now? Has it made a difference?

The public has spoken and they want blu, god this hd dvd shit is just getting annoying.

God here comes the headache.....

[aygie]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

Sigh, that was a lot of reading, and its well, whats new with this, havent the hd dud fans been bragging about stuff like this for months now? Has it made a difference?

The public has spoken and they want blu, god this hd dvd shit is just getting annoying.

God here comes the headache.....

haha dude you didn't explain it!! I couldn't be bothered to read it!! hahaha.

[Blu-dock Saint]

Originally Posted by Aygie

haha dude you didn't explain it!! I couldn't be bothered to read it!! hahaha.

Ok well basically they're saying that a company in china the chda or whatever is going to be "making" cheap hd dvd players and somehow its going to win the war, its the same ol' same ol'

Though I don't like this site, seems like they're either bias or misinformed, I dont like this line at all:
"All of a sudden, the incentive for studios such as Warner Bros. to call a halt to exploiting new disc technologies its own engineers had patented, and for Paramount to jump ship and abort its Blu-ray support, may be becoming clear."

[aygie]

ah ok, cheers buddy, i got the link from some guy parading all the HDM links at Engadgethd saying the war is over. tut tut.

[Blu-dock Saint]

Originally Posted by Aygie

ah ok, cheers buddy, i got the link from some guy parading all the HDM links at Engadgethd saying the war is over. tut tut.

Yea, I know this will pass, because cheap players havent done much for hd so far, so I doubt this will change anything, I just get tired of all the FUD day after day, ya know?

[aygie]

yeah, i posted back one of them saying, you buy a $2000 TV, $1500 Amp, $1000 speakers and then a $199 cheap ass player! i don't think so!!

I think Toshiba is doing more harm than good with all this cheap players crap, me personally when i see something dirt cheap ($199 player) compared to everything else being more expensive in general (our blu players) i tend to think that there must be something wrong with it!

[Blu-dock Saint]

Originally Posted by Aygie

I think Toshiba is doing more harm than good with all this cheap players crap, me personally when i see something dirt cheap ($199 player) compared to everything else being more expensive in general (our blu players) i tend to think that there must be something wrong with it!

I do the same, I've bought cheap dvd players in the past and they were junk compared to the more expensive ones I've bought. Nowadays it seems lots of the public thinks the same way too. Even if these do actually make it out anytime soon, hd dud still doesnt have near the movie selection blu-ray has, without a library of movies to watch whats the point in owning a piece of sh*t player that plays outdated pieces of shi*t.

Here's my whole view: Back in WW2 the nazi's(hddud) won battles here and there but ended up losing the war.

And as the saying goes history repeats itself so there ya go lol.

With the onsalaught of players that BR has coming out theres no need to fret anyway, plus our players are sexified!!!

[aygie]

hahaha Nazis! Ze Germans!!!! Classic. The funny thing is that i really can't see DVD going anywhere for at least 3-4 years. I posted some UK release dates i got from a friend working at a website. On the list i edited out some extra info but it was interesting.....

Amount of people who have preordered these titles:

Matrix HD-DVD - 553
300 HD-DVD - 123
Heroes HD-DVD - 59
Transformers HD-DVD - 45

Next Blu - 263
300 Blu - 399
Transformers (original) Blu - 281
Spiderman Box set - 553
Spiderman 3 - 477


(DVD)
28 Weeks later - 4466
Next - 932
300 - 8239
Spiderman 3 - 25049
Pirates 3 - 43246!!!!!

Very interesting

[Blu-dock Saint]

DVD still has life left in it, anyone can see that, but thats a secondary battle the way I see it. I mean we have a long way to go to hit even near the amount that dvd sells. Thats why we give hd dud the boot so its down to dvd and Blu ray.

Thats all I can do for tonight/today, 5:40am and I need to be up in a few for work, so have a good one. Keep fighting the good fight.

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

Ok well basically they're saying that a company in china the chda or whatever is going to be "making" cheap hd dvd players and somehow its going to win the war, its the same ol' same ol'

Though I don't like this site, seems like they're either bias or misinformed, I dont like this line at all:
"All of a sudden, the incentive for studios such as Warner Bros. to call a halt to exploiting new disc technologies its own engineers had patented, and for Paramount to jump ship and abort its Blu-ray support, may be becoming clear."

You know thats a lie because isnt China more on Blu-Ray's side anyways then Hd-Dvd?

[aygie]

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

You know thats a lie because isnt China more on Blu-Ray's side anyways then Hd-Dvd?

Hehe, i don't know if we've got Chinas support! (but we do have a Chinese replicateor support)

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by Aygie

yeah, i posted back one of them saying, you buy a $2000 TV, $1500 Amp, $1000 speakers and then a $199 cheap ass player! i don't think so!!

I think Toshiba is doing more harm than good with all this cheap players crap, me personally when i see something dirt cheap ($199 player) compared to everything else being more expensive in general (our blu players) i tend to think that there must be something wrong with it!

With recent news stories about products being imported from China there are other things to potentially worry about. Should anyone actually find a place that sells them and then buy a Chinese player they'll have to be careful how they handle it to avoid Mercury Poisoning, keep kids away from it so they don't grow up intellectually retarded due to the Lead Paint and be careful no new insect/beatle pests get unleashed/introduced into the North American environment from their shipping containers to wreak havoc upon native trees and other native species.