Back off the fence; born-again Blu

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by aristotles

Blades of Glory sucked as a movie and I only saw it because I was on a transatlantic flight with a common movie screen.

Funny thing is, that's the only reason I saw it too. I was on a flight to Glasgow.

[BTBuck1]

I really don't understand why we need a thread to tell us your selling your ps3 and BD's.

Frankly, when I see a post like this the first thing I think is...

followed by, "No balls" , then "Why do people do stupid things like this"

Should BD lose, are your BD's going to evaporate?
WIll they not still work on over X million ps3's nationwide?

A guy at work did a similar firesale of his ps3 & 40 BD's sold them off for $1000. IMO that was a lame move. He sits their like a sick duck on tuesday while me and a couple other guys go googley over new releases, he pretends like he isn't interested, when I know it's killing him inside.

Life is too short I say, if I have to do without something as simple as a $25 flick once a week, whats the point of living.

[powerSURG]

Originally Posted by aristotles

I don't understand your reasoning. Blu-ray still has the majority of big name studio support. As a reluctant owner of both formats (prefer blu-ray), the other side is going nowhere fast and I believe last weeks results were an anomaly caused by HD DVD fanboys buying movies that suck.

Blades of Glory sucked as a movie and I only saw it because I was on a transatlantic flight with a common movie screen.

Why lose money on pulling out by selling your stuff at a loss when Hitachi's Blu-ray recorder camcorders are coming out in a month to North America for around the same price as HDV camcorders?

HD DVD is effectively a read only format while Blu-ray has all the advantages of DVD plus greater resolution and capacity.

The format war is over and when these camcorders hit the streets, people are going to start buying into blu-ray on mass.

You're very rational (plato) for a guy who calls himself aristotles (somewhat idealistic)

Seriously though, you make a great point about the cameras. I hadn't thought of that.

[brian lawson]

Originally Posted by glenn22

Anyways, the facts are that the Paramount deal has barely affected Blu-ray's momentum.

i hate to say it but it comments like these that would make people not believe anything else you (or blurayers) might be saying. you can say what you want obviously, but to say that it has barely affected bluray's momentum is just pure denial. it frigin sucks and it changes everything....no other news in the past year sucks more and you make it out to be nothing. i only wish people would stop talking this way because it makes blu-ray sound like a farce and people that really can make a difference see right through it. and yes i'm noob to the forum but not to the technology

[ground chuck]

wow what a *****. i could understand if he had one or two bdm, but 45 and then hears bad news about paramount, give me a break.

i'm not going to say anymore i've already been banned once for starting a thread that addressed these whinny #^#^#$.

[powerSURG]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

I really don't understand why we need a thread to tell us your selling your ps3 and BD's.

Frankly, when I see a post like this the first thing I think is...

followed by, "No balls" , then "Why do people do stupid things like this"

Should BD lose, are your BD's going to evaporate?
WIll they not still work on over X million ps3's nationwide?

A guy at work did a similar firesale of his ps3 & 40 BD's sold them off for $1000. IMO that was a lame move. He sits their like a sick duck on tuesday while me and a couple other guys go googley over new releases, he pretends like he isn't interested, when I know it's killing him inside.

Life is too short I say, if I have to do without something as simple as a $25 flick once a week, whats the point of living.

WORD! it's the small things in life that make it fun

edit: ^^^ LOL

[powerSURG]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

i hate to say it but it comments like these that would make people not believe anything else you (or blurayers) might be saying. you can say what you want obviously, but to say that it has barely affected bluray's momentum is just pure denial. it frigin sucks and it changes everything....no other news in the past year sucks more and you make it out to be nothing. i only wish people would stop talking this way because it makes blu-ray sound like a farce and people that really can make a difference see right through it. and yes i'm noob to the forum but not to the technology

Maybe you didn't notice that Blu outsold the dud even after new releases for HD DVD and no new releases for blu. Hence, it didn't affect blurays sales momentum

[jedisinclair]

I was wrong... see my last post in the thread...

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

i hate to say it but it comments like these that would make people not believe anything else you (or blurayers) might be saying. you can say what you want obviously, but to say that it has barely affected bluray's momentum is just pure denial. it frigin sucks and it changes everything....no other news in the past year sucks more and you make it out to be nothing. i only wish people would stop talking this way because it makes blu-ray sound like a farce and people that really can make a difference see right through it. and yes i'm noob to the forum but not to the technology

Ok Brian, prove me wrong. I provided facts to back up what I said. It's a fact that blu-ray standalone players have recently begun outselling HD-DVD players (this AFTER the paramount announcement) and it's also a fact that Blu-ray discs continue to outsell HD-DVDs (also after the announcement) despite no recent big title releases. I am definitely not trying to understate how big the news of Paramounts exclusivity agreement is, losing Transformers sucks a lot, but the facts support what I'm saying.

I may sound like a zealot to you, but I'm presenting the facts here. Do you think paramount going HD-DVD exclusive has affected Blu-ray in a big way? provide me some facts please.

[brian lawson]

Originally Posted by powerSURG

Maybe you didn't notice that Blu outsold the dud even after new releases for HD DVD and no new releases for blu. Hence, it didn't affect blurays sales momentum

dude...to borrow a phrase from some columnist...that's like saying an ant is bigger than a flea before the big shoe of dvd comes down to squash them both. 60-70% of nothing is still nothing. studio support is EVERYTHING right now...this whole thing could be over the moment another major studio bails. how in the hell will a warner or disney defection not be followed by everyone else...if paramount made a decision none of us expected, whats to say another wont

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by jedisinclair

OK... first of all let me say thanks to everyone here who, with their intelligent, fact giving methods showed me Blu-ray was "The way". I bought a PS3 and about 45 BD movies and was so sure Blu-ray was the way to go. I'm not saying it's not, I just can't believe what happened with Paramount. I was SOOOooooo looking forward to Transformers on Blu-ray. I sold my PS3. I sold all my Blu-ray movies and now I'm gonna wait. I want to be an early adopter and I know a lot of you will say "support the war by buying Blu-ray movies"... but WHAT IF... I really fear that an elongated war will kill both formats. I still am pulling for Blu... just not with money I can't afford to burn. Things are too wishy washy and I don't have the patience. When Blu-ray wins, I'll probably buy a couple hundred movies on the day I know the war is over... but until then, I'm back on the fence.

I wouldn't want you next to me in a fox hole.

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

dude...to borrow a phrase from some columnist...that's like saying an ant is bigger than a flea before the big shoe of dvd comes down to squash them both. 60-70% of nothing is still nothing. studio support is EVERYTHING right now...this whole thing could be over the moment another major studio bails. how in the hell will a warner or disney defection not be followed by everyone else...if paramount made a decision none of us expected, whats to say another wont

You are right with this point, Industry support is everything. Paramount was a loss for sure, but probably the best studio to lose out of all of them. (least AAA titles from paramount). The truth is that Industry support is governed by sales figures and Blu-ray is twice as strong as HD-DVD in that category. Blu-ray also has the support of more studios even AFTER Paramounts' decision. If sales keep going the way they are, Blu-ray will win.... dollars speaks louder than words. Yes sales are far less than SD-DVD, but they are increasing exponentially.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by jedisinclair

a few people here commented that maybe I'm having money troubles... well, great guess because this is true. I guess more of my decision stems from that than anything else... however, I do still think this format war is extremely frustrating. I generally love new technology. I was the first one I know who bought CD's (had fifty or so before I even bought a CD player). I am a mobile DJ and I was one of the first to run MP3's from a laptop. I dove right into DVD with gusto. Hell, I even have one of the MDS-101 minidisc units. I was so early on that one that Sony of America didn't even know the model number. I had to call Japan to get specs on it. So, it's not that I don't love new technology. I did need to recoup some funds. But, I also stand by my thoughts that it's a damn shame there has to be a format war in the first place. For those supporting Blu-ray wholeheartedly, my hat off to you and I honestly hope things look "Blu-er" soon. Thanks again for all I've learned from this site. I am sure in time, I will be back.

why not just keep it real from the get go? If you are having money problems, that is fully understandable. Just come back when you get back on your feet!

See, none of us could understand a studio as weaksauce as Paramount causing you to bounce out, especially when Fox comes in right behind them and drops like 35 tons of napalm.

Like my boy scarface says:

"He'll be back"

[brian lawson]

Originally Posted by glenn22

You are right with this point, Industry support is everything. Paramount was a loss for sure, but probably the best studio to lose out of all of them. (least AAA titles from paramount). The truth is that Industry support is governed by sales figures and Blu-ray is twice as strong as HD-DVD in that category. Blu-ray also has the support of more studios even AFTER Paramounts' decision. If sales keep going the way they are, Blu-ray will win.... dollars speaks louder than words. Yes sales are far less than SD-DVD, but they are increasing exponentially.

i dont agree that industry support is governed by sales figures with such low total sales on both sides...why would paramount leave if that was true. and as far more studio support since the paramount decision...means nothing...the ONLY thing that is going to win or lose this is the MAJOR studios...right now its dead even as i see it maybe a little in hd-dvds favor...if universal goes blu exclusive it would be hard for hd-dvd to recover...but i'd be willing to bet everything i own that if fox, warner, or disney bails now...its over. no chance to recover. everything on either side would fall like a set of dominoes with the next defection from either side...plain and simple

[powerSURG]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

dude...to borrow a phrase from some columnist...that's like saying an ant is bigger than a flea before the big shoe of dvd comes down to squash them both. 60-70% of nothing is still nothing. studio support is EVERYTHING right now...this whole thing could be over the moment another major studio bails. how in the hell will a warner or disney defection not be followed by everyone else...if paramount made a decision none of us expected, whats to say another wont

Ah, we are getting philisophical are we? 60-70% of nothing is nothing? That's very ignorant.

60-70% is important as we saw in the Blockbuster decision to carry blu in their B&Ms

60-70% is important as we are starting to see a trend in Wal Mart, Sams Club and Best Buy/Circuit City. Columbia, SC (the capital of SC); There are no HD DVD displays set up in any of the 2 Best Buys, 2 Circuit Citys and 1 Walmart in Sumter

There has to be a starting point for mass adoptation, 60-70% is critical in laying the foundation for 100% adoption of Blu by studios. Once either format reaches 100% adoption, it will set the stage for the invasion of the movie media market.

Now tell me that having 60-70% of the growing HD market isn't nice?

Plus you seem to ignore the 150 million dollar pay off behind the paramount move. I believe that after Q4, we will know why 150 million was "invested." It's pure speculation now, but something "is-a-brewin."

You mention a warner/disney defection? The more likely scenario is universal/warner going blu

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

dude...to borrow a phrase from some columnist...that's like saying an ant is bigger than a flea before the big shoe of dvd comes down to squash them both. 60-70% of nothing is still nothing. studio support is EVERYTHING right now...this whole thing could be over the moment another major studio bails. how in the hell will a warner or disney defection not be followed by everyone else...if paramount made a decision none of us expected, whats to say another wont

The PS3 ensures that even another studio going HD-DVDs way still won't impact the war.

Are you a Microsoft rep?

HD-DVD is in a bind. The only way they can win the war is if people have a reason to buy HD-DVD players at a higher rate than PS3s, something which they simply can not do unless they've already won the war.

HD-DVD is screwed without a *series* of announcements. The Paramount/Dreamworks announcement wasn't even in the same order of magnitude of the announcement they need to win.

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

i dont agree that industry support is governed by sales figures with such low total sales on both sides...why would paramount leave if that was true. and as far more studio support since the paramount decision...means nothing...the ONLY thing that is going to win or lose this is the MAJOR studios...right now its dead even as i see it maybe a little in hd-dvds favor...if universal goes blu exclusive it would be hard for hd-dvd to recover...but i'd be willing to bet everything i own that if fox, warner, or disney bails now...its over. no chance to recover. everything on either side would fall like a set of dominoes with the next defection from either side...plain and simple

You're wrong, with studios it's ALL about money. You and I both are aware of the $150 Million Toshiba paid Paramount for it's exclusivity for 18 months, so don't say it's not about money. And yes Blu-ray still has more support from MAJOR studios Blu-ray has Fox, Disney, MGM, Sony and Warner. HD-DVD has Universal, Paramount and Warner.....I would agree that if Fox or Disney bailed then it would be over, but the same could be said for the opposite. (Universal, Paramount or Warner going exclusive Blu-ray)

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

i dont agree that industry support is governed by sales figures with such low total sales on both sides...why would paramount leave if that was true.

I could give you 150 million reasons

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by brian lawson

dude...to borrow a phrase from some columnist...that's like saying an ant is bigger than a flea before the big shoe of dvd comes down to squash them both. 60-70% of nothing is still nothing. studio support is EVERYTHING right now...this whole thing could be over the moment another major studio bails. how in the hell will a warner or disney defection not be followed by everyone else...if paramount made a decision none of us expected, whats to say another wont

You are right. Warner is now releasing a tonne of stuff on Blu-ray which appears to show that they are leaning blu-ray. Warner represents the majority of sales on both formats and if they should go blu-ray exclusive, HD DVD is dead in the water and no amount of Paramount releases would make up for that.

I've got to love how the HD DVD fanboys use the "small market" talking point when they are backed into a corner. If it does not matter, why did you register here?


Let's take a look at the studios:

Blu-ray exclusive:

Disney/Buena Vista - BDA board member, heavy supporter of Blu-ray which had many launch titles. Switching to HD DVD or neutral? Not going to happen unless Blu-ray dies first.

Fox - BDA board member, recently announced a lot of titles and is excited about BD+ DRM. Switching to HD DVD or neutral? Not going to happen unless Blu-ray dies first.

Sony Pictures - Obviously supports Blu-ray. Switching to HD DVD or neutral? Not going to happen unless Blu-ray dies first.

Tartan - Recently announced support for Blu-ray exclusivity.

Lionsgate - Smaller studio that supports blu-ray. Out of all of the blu-ray exclusive studios, they are possibly the only studio that would contemplate going neutral during the war.

Neutral Studios:
Warner - BDA board member, kicked HD DVD supporter VP to the curb just before announcing a number of titles coming to blu-ray including most if not all previously HD DVD exclusive titles. Announced that most of their HD Media sales are on blu-ray despite having some HD DVD exclusive titles like the matrix series.

Chance of going HD DVD exclusive, not very likely. Chance of going Blu-ray exclusive, seems to be increasing day by day.

HD DVD exclusive studios:

Universal - pushes HD DVD on every title in the menu and attract animations. Dropped some hints about going neutral in the future. Nowhere to be seen on the 20 best sellers list for HD Media.

Paramount/Dreamworks - paid to go exclusive. Nowhere to be seen on the 20 best sellers list for HD Media.

Weinstein - Going neutral with Grindhouse on blu-ray. Nowhere to be seen on the 20 best sellers list for HD Media.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by MacHaggis

Interesting you should backtrack due to the Paramount/Dream Works decision.

That is the reason I actually joined the Blu-ray group, buying some hardware and movies a few months earlier than I originally planned.

Ironically, same here! I doubt we're the only ones, so it's quite possible that for every wuss that jumped ship (or went neutral--same thing!) at the Paramount desci$ion, someone jumped onboard earlier than they planned to...