Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 4K UHD (2022)

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by InUCTiEn

Man I would love to get this on disc but I went back and skimmed through the HDR10 version of the stream to test and in the scene at the waterhole when Namor appears I could barely make out Shuri and the Queen's faces on my LG C2.

Sorry, haven't seen the movie. What exactly is the issue there? It's too dark or it's blown out bright? Just wondering what the C2's tone-mapping issue is particularly.

[InUCTiEn]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Sorry, haven't seen the movie. What exactly is the issue there? It's too dark or it's blown out bright? Just wondering what the C2's tone-mapping issue is particularly.

It's a very dark scene, even in Dolby Vision. I didn't go back and look at the other dark scenes sans DV but if I recall correctly this one's much darker than much else in the movie so I imagine that has something to do with it. I learned recently the C2 tone maps to 1,000 nits (which it can't hit) when there's no metadata present, so presumably the farther from that the scene is the harder it will be to produce an accurate image?* The majority is bright and colorful. It's a shame because it's relatively brief but it's an important scene. And I don't think the C2's auto dimming was involved.

I popped on Multiverse of Madness after and forced HDR10 and it looked fine. I guess that's just a brighter movie.

*I remember Nope being similarly bad (only across most of the movie) but I believe that had metadata (and a MaxCLL the C2 can hit) so I'm not sure what explains that. ABL was probably exacerbating it in that case.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by InUCTiEn

It's a very dark scene, even in Dolby Vision. I didn't go back and look at the other dark scenes sans DV but if I recall correctly this one's much darker than much else in the movie so I imagine that has something to do with it. I learned recently the C2 tone maps to 1,000 nits (which it can't hit) when there's no metadata present, so presumably the farther from that the scene is the harder it will be to produce an accurate image?* The majority is bright and colorful. It's a shame because it's relatively brief but it's an important scene. And I don't think the C2's auto dimming was involved.

I popped on Multiverse of Madness after and forced HDR10 and it looked fine. I guess that's just a brighter movie.

*I remember Nope being similarly bad (only across most of the movie) but I believe that had metadata so I'm not sure what explains that. ABL was probably exacerbating it in that case.

I think the scene is just meant to look that dark.

I watched this movie in every premium format, the scene always looked dark, even in Dolby Cinema and IMAX.

It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that's the filmmaker's intent, evidently.

[InUCTiEn]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I think the scene is just meant to look that dark.

I watched this movie in every premium format, the scene always looked dark, even in Dolby Cinema and IMAX.

It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that's the filmmaker's intent, evidently.

Yes and no. As I said I agree it's very dark in Dolby Vision. But the picture still looked properly balanced and "complete." In HDR10 their facial features were just lost. I wonder if the shadowed parts of the already dimmer HDR10 frame are falling prey to black crush.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by InUCTiEn

Yes and no. As I said I agree it's very dark in Dolby Vision. But the picture still looked properly balanced and "complete." In HDR10 their facial features were just lost. I wonder if the shadowed parts of the already dimmer HDR10 frame are falling prey to black crush.

Whenever any scene looks to dark I usually try to adjust brightness.

[BorisKarloffice]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that's the filmmaker's intent, evidently.

I'm getting a bit tired of this being used as a blanket defense. Filmmakers are capable of making poor judgement calls and viewers have a right to disapprove of those decisions.

So many films in the last 10 years or so have had scenes so dark they're almost completely incomprehensible, even when viewed "correctly" in IMAX or DV or whatever.

Doesn't mean we should all just say "well okay, that's how they want it." We should say "hey, hollywood, your movies are getting literally too dark to see, could you please stop making me pay $18 to stare at a virtually black screen"

[BluBonnet]

Naturally! You can always vote with your wallet!

[BorisKarloffice]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Naturally! You can always vote with your wallet!

Somehow I doubt a single lost ticket sale on an $860M-grossing movie would make anyone at Disney or Marvel realize that the problem was specifically scenes being too dark.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

Somehow I doubt a single lost ticket sale on an $860M-grossing movie would make anyone at Disney or Marvel realize that the problem was specifically scenes being too dark.

You're the one who mentioned "So many films in the last 10 years or so"?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by InUCTiEn

It's a very dark scene, even in Dolby Vision. I didn't go back and look at the other dark scenes sans DV but if I recall correctly this one's much darker than much else in the movie so I imagine that has something to do with it. I learned recently the C2 tone maps to 1,000 nits (which it can't hit) when there's no metadata present, so presumably the farther from that the scene is the harder it will be to produce an accurate image?* The majority is bright and colorful. It's a shame because it's relatively brief but it's an important scene. And I don't think the C2's auto dimming was involved.

Yeah, I recently watched Jungle Cruise and was surprised to see how many complained the dark scenes were too dark, since on my set they were very bright. Disney grades seem to require a lot of nits in HDR10, but they refuse to put Dolby Vision on discs, so people with OLEDs and weaker LCDs are getting the shaft. Sucks.