The Abyss 4K UHD (1989)

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Not many people know Great Mouse Detective caused a series of mouse and rat murders committed by children and adults alike. It was all over the northeast coast news back in the day. Like Jaws before it leading to a rash of shark destruction, it should have been not released at all. Fiction is reality.

Ummmmm, source?

[By_His_Strypes]

I think while the actors may have signed off on doing the scenes. I don't know if they signed up to be humiliated like Mastrantonio was w/ as many takes as there wound up being or being cut off from oxygen like Ed Harris was when a mistake was made. I think Mary even vowed to never work with Cameron again after production wrapped.

I think Conan the Barbarian was also edited in the UK and you wound up w/ truncated battle scenes because of the way the Horses were used in those scenes.

It's nice to see people standing up for Animal rights, but after 30+ years maybe it's time to let that one go. Maybe the Abyss rat has family in the UK that would like to finally see his performance, as that was a integral scene to the movie.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

In the Theatrical Cut there is a panning camera shot of Lindsey walking from frame right to left that is longer in the Special Edition.

With the Special Edition the full pan is present and there is a dropped frame mid pan.
This was visible in the recent theatrical screening.

1:06:12 Theatrical Cut

1:24:26 Special Edition

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1:24:30 The dropped frame occurs here.

The frame after the dropped frame is the same frame that starts the pan in the TC.

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

The new special features for The Abyss uses footage repurposed from the Under Pressure documentary in different forms.

They either use it at its correct aspect ratio or they crop it to 16x9.

All the footage that has been cropped has been AI processed with varying results in quality in the final output.

The deinterlacing is adequate but not phenomenal.

Without being able to do a direct comparison the OAR repurposed footage looks better than the stand alone original documentary.

Unfortunately, the stand alone version of Under Pressure documentary has not received an updated transfer, and it is potentially a reencode from the DVD.

*Taps the posts that are not about dead rats or movie rating organizations.

Also Coffey is not a conventional absolute villain, rather he is an antagonist whose complications with pressure-induced psychosis, High Pressure Nervous Syndrome HPNS, causes him to engage in actions that imperils everyone.

[BillieCassin]

LOL, so this is all about a rat that was made uncomfortable for a few moments 35 years ago? Doing something that was scientifically known to work, because it had actually already been done in labs? So it's OK to do in labs (that governments are likely funding) but not okay to film?

The way people were talking, I thought it actually got graphically murdered on screen or something. I mean, not that it really would make a huge difference, given that the UK government kills millions of rats a year for various reasons, because...they are rats, LOL.

I don't blame them at all for not going to the expense of cutting this and creating an entirely different encode of the movie just to appease something so utterly ridiculous.

[mjvmovieman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ehhhhh. Unless we're seeing the actual footage of the two actors in literal distress and close to drowning - and we're not - then it's nowhere near the same thing.

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Well, we do get to see Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio get slapped around and pounded on for real by Ed Harris... After this scene, she suffered a mental breakdown and almost quit the movie, and refused to promote the film or talk about it again.

[DrWally]

If I had to hazard a guess, the situation with the BBFC will ultimately get resolved and The Abyss will be released. Maybe with an on-screen disclaimer or something.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Indeed. It shouldn't even need to be explained, but it's the internet so here we are. The actors knew there were risks even though they were assured it was safe, and had an understanding of what was happening the entire time. And we don't really know what they went through. The rat was snatched up and placed in a tank of liquid against it's will and it had no understanding of the situation. It thought it was going to die.

And biologically speaking, humans, as well as many living organisms, have evolved to be carnivores.

[pjl69]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

LOL, so this is all about a rat that was made uncomfortable for a few moments 35 years ago? Doing something that was scientifically known to work, because it had actually already been done in labs? So it's OK to do in labs (that governments are likely funding) but not okay to film?

The way people were talking, I thought it actually got graphically murdered on screen or something. I mean, not that it really would make a huge difference, given that the UK government kills millions of rats a year for various reasons, because...they are rats, LOL.

She wasn't just any rat, she was Beany.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by NeonStreetMelt

I get standing by your product and not wanting to release it missing a scene, but clearly the ghost of Margaret Thatcher still haunts the UK. This is the same country that made "intrusive staring" at women on the tube a public offense. This is why we dumped their tea into a harbor, just a deeply flawed society.

What the hell are you talking about? Staring, deeply flawed, what is your problem? Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or something! Let’s not start to slag the U.K off now.

[Cochran]

True Lies is also BBFC censored.
I don't see this as a loss with the quality they offered.

[pjl69]

Really? What's cut from True Lies?

[By_His_Strypes]

It's not like roaches and rats will survive everyone else on the planet or anything.

[Ben_UK]

Originally Posted by Cochran

True Lies is also BBFC censored.
I don't see this as a loss with the quality they offered.

I don’t recall any cuts?

[Telemachus]

Virtue signaling isn't just a river in Egypt

[Krynoid-Man]

Originally Posted by pjl69

Really? What's cut from True Lies?

Cutting Edge: Episode 12 - True Lies - YouTube

[Alister_M]

[quote=Geoff D;21754191]Ehhhhh. Unless we're seeing the actual footage of the two actors in literal distress and close to drowning - and we're not - then it's nowhere near the same thing.


I guess you'd best avoid A Clockwork Orange, since Malcolm McDowell nearly drowned for real when he was being held down in that trough and most likely suffered a lot more than the rat did. I don't endorse the way the rat was treated, I just find it absurd that after all this time they can't just let it slide with a disclaimer somewhere on the back cover about historical attitudes or something like what Studio Canal does with almost every catalog title.

[Trekkie313]

Well the censors probably sided with the corrupt doctors/government portrayed in Clockwork, so...

[RCRochester]

[quote=Alister_M;21755312]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ehhhhh. Unless we're seeing the actual footage of the two actors in literal distress and close to drowning - and we're not - then it's nowhere near the same thing.


I guess you'd best avoid A Clockwork Orange, since Malcolm McDowell nearly drowned for real when he was being held down in that trough and most likely suffered a lot more than the rat did. I don't endorse the way the rat was treated, I just find it absurd that after all this time they can't just let it slide with a disclaimer somewhere on the back cover about historical attitudes or something like what Studio Canal does with almost every catalog title.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it is a law passed by Parliament (the Cinematograph Films (Animals) Act 1937) that dictates that this cannot be depicted in films exhibited in the UK?

If the BBFC just "let it slide" and someone complained, the release would have to be pulled anyway, fines could be levied and likely the person who let it pass uncut could lose their job.

What happened with Malcolm McDowell or Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio or any other human actor is irrelevant.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Can you tag your spoilers please?? Oh my god??

[Show spoiler]There is water in The Abyss

[pjl69]

Originally Posted by mannie002

Typical Americlaps, talking out their ass about countries they can't even point out on a map.

Well, I can't point all the states in the US on a map, so we may have a tie.

Nice avatar, BTW.