Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Vilya

He could be using a "gateway", which in this case is just another name for a modem/router combo in a single unit.

"A gateway serves as an “All-In-One” solution that combines the functions of both a router and a modem."

He could also be using an Optical Network Terminal.

"While a modem deals with conversions between analog and digital signals, an Optical Network Terminal (ONT) is designed to convert fiber optic signals into digital signals for a router via a wired connection. In areas where fiber can be delivered directly to your home, you most likely have an ONT that connects your local home network to the internet."

https://community.tp-link.com/us/home/kb/detail/412664

Regardless of what it's called it still functions as a modem for all intents and purposes. It is translating the signal into something that can be understood by the home network. But if he does have an ONT then he is technically correct he hasn't used a modem in years. But to say that he hasn't used one in decades is erroneous I'm fairly certain.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Regardless of what it's called it still functions as a modem for all intents and purposes. It is translating the signal into something that can be understood by the home network. But if he does have an ONT then he is technically correct he hasn't used a modem in years. But to say that he hasn't used one in decades is erroneous I'm fairly certain.

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. It's not like we can verify it one way or the other.

His "Haven't used a Modem in over a Decade" comment did come across as some weird bragging attempt, though. I have no idea why he thinks that would impress anyone.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by mi_z

Have to ask... if you a bit impatient about seeing a film, why not see it in the cinema? I get if mostly you don't care to, but in this case it seems to have more downsides. Too many bad experiences? Plus, you have a GT Laser cinema in your city!? Man, the 1.43 aspect ratio for Dune part 1 was really immersive. There is no way of getting that elsewhere.

That is such a loaded question for me...lol..

There are literally too many reasons for me to list and I've engaged in so many conversations about them over the years on this forum that my feelings are well known. It all simply boils down to the fact that I really do mean what I say in my sig... I've created an environment in my home that gives me the same excitement that I used to get from attending the cinema.

With respect to DUNE specifically...I absolutely hate ratios slimmer than 1.85:1. I find them to be too close to what I associate with plain old TV ...that we used to watch in 4:3...

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. It's not like we can verify it one way or the other.

His "Haven't used a Modem in over a Decade" comment did come across as some weird bragging attempt, though. I have no idea why he thinks that would impress anyone.

He is, after all, brags about his 150 mbps SYMMETRICAL internet.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Regardless of what it's called it still functions as a modem for all intents and purposes.

True.

Bottom line is all these terminals* serve essentially the same purpose, to provide a box that can be addressed (unique MAC) so a provider knows who has what box.

* DSL (VDSL, SDSL, ADSL), cable, fiber, satellite

[Vilya]

Please allow me to brag about acquiring my 5000th blu-ray!



My collection is almost large enough to become sentient; the upcoming James Cameron AI titles should be the catalyst that finally makes it self-aware.

[Vilya]

Also arriving today were:



and

[HDTV1080P]

While this is a new March 4th, 2024 article published by Twice, it really is a old article from another website that is being reprinted. I am seeing this more and more, negative articles about the Blu-ray format are being reprinted on several websites over a span of several weeks or months.

https://www.twice.com/industry/best-...-entertainment

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

How are you not using a modem at all from the fibre coming into your house? And why do I need to stream to my projector? Of course using HDMI. Only toy projectors have streaming option. I don’t use toys for my home theatre.

Originally Posted by Ender14

If you have internet then you have a modem. Unless you are using cellular for your internet, which we know is not the case. How do you not understand basic networking?

Originally Posted by sapiendut

And he claims he worked as IT or something like that.

Originally Posted by Vilya

He could be using a "gateway", which in this case is just another name for a modem/router combo in a single unit.

"A gateway serves as an “All-In-One” solution that combines the functions of both a router and a modem."

He could also be using an Optical Network Terminal.

"While a modem deals with conversions between analog and digital signals, an Optical Network Terminal (ONT) is designed to convert fiber optic signals into digital signals for a router via a wired connection. In areas where fiber can be delivered directly to your home, you most likely have an ONT that connects your local home network to the internet."

https://community.tp-link.com/us/home/kb/detail/412664

Thanks Vilya for the clarification, but you guys hate to be wrong. I moved here in 2013, and set up my Fiber Fed Network back then. I never said I worked in IT, I did Contract working on Business Phone Switches and setting up Phones and Computers.

I told you guys a long time ago that my Fiber comes into a ISP Switch and out Ethernet to the rooms in my house. Each Port has the full Bandwidth of 100/100Mbps. Here is a Link to how it works, also AT&T FiOS uses a Router.

https://forbes.blog/everything-you-n...rnet-networks/

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

... you guys hate to be wrong.

We haven't learned to love being wrong the way that you have.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Our 10 C Band satellite dish was located about 500' away from the TV production center. To connect to it we had 1-⅝" heliax transmission line, it was a pain because it had to be pressurized at all time using nitrogen. Somewhere in the 90's we procured fiber optic converters and did away with the heliax.

About 1993 we procured new Sony studio cameras with smaller and lighter camera cable. The old ones had 82 conductors, was large and heavy, a PITA to deal with. The Sony camera had 4 copper wires and four fiber optic cables making up the camera cable.

On our mobile TV production trailer we had a Studer audio desk (console). We had a 48 in stage box that connected to the trailer via fiber optic. That way we could use much shorter mic lines by placing the stage box close to a set, band, symphony, etc.

We used fiber optic cables (both modes) in several other applications including production center to the backbone downtown.

For my brother’s business fiber service is a great asset because he uploads lots of large files to other offices.

I love fiber but IT IS COMPLETELY unnecessary to view consumer grade streaming. Nothing more needs to be said.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I love fiber but IT IS COMPLETELY unnecessary to view consumer grade streaming. Nothing more needs to be said.

What does "need" have to do with it?

This is just one more dead horse, among many, in need of regular beatings.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I love fiber but IT IS COMPLETELY unnecessary to view consumer grade streaming. Nothing more needs to be said.

You should know that these kinds of statements are ridiculous, especially for someone that thinks they are a Tech. Bill Gates denies it, but back in 1981 he believed that 640K was more than you will ever need in Memory. Ten years later I had a Mom&Pop Computer Shop build me a i486 with 1MbRAM and 20Mb HDD. I asked if that was enough, he said I'll never need more than that...With Tech you can never make those kinds of claims!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You should know that these kinds of statements are ridiculous, especially for someone that thinks they are a Tech. Bill Gates denies it, but back in 1981 he believed that 640K was more than you will ever need in Memory. Ten years later I had a Mom&Pop Computer Shop build me a i486 with 1MbRAM and 20Mb HDD. I asked if that was enough, he said I'll never need more than that...With Tech you can never make those kinds of claims!

Trying reading what he actually said, and not what you think that he said, and YOU will look slightly less ridiculous:

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I love fiber but IT IS COMPLETELY unnecessary to view consumer grade streaming.

He did not say that there was no need for fiber internet; he said that it was not needed for "consumer grade streaming" and he is absolutely right.

Your streaming does not look any better than anyone else's just because you have fiber internet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Our 10 C Band satellite dish was located about 500' away from the TV production center. To connect to it we had 1-⅝" heliax transmission line, it was a pain because it had to be pressurized at all time using nitrogen. Somewhere in the 90's we procured fiber optic converters and did away with the heliax.

About 1993 we procured new Sony studio cameras with smaller and lighter camera cable. The old ones had 82 conductors, was large and heavy, a PITA to deal with. The Sony camera had 4 copper wires and four fiber optic cables making up the camera cable.

On our mobile TV production trailer we had a Studer audio desk (console). We had a 48 in stage box that connected to the trailer via fiber optic. That way we could use much shorter mic lines by placing the stage box close to a set, band, symphony, etc.

We used fiber optic cables (both modes) in several other applications including production center to the backbone downtown.

For my brother’s business fiber service is a great asset because he uploads lots of large files to other offices.

I love fiber but IT IS COMPLETELY unnecessary to view consumer grade streaming. Nothing more needs to be said.

While I agree to an extent, in a busy household (not mine) with several people accessing HD (At least) streaming, I feel fibre is essential for entertainment. Even then, FTTP is the far better option.
Let’s say we have a family of four, mam and dad are watching Netflix downstairs, Son is downloading a game (huge file size) and sister is watching Netflix also, anything other than full fibre is going to experience conflicts and potential buffering.

[bhampton]

I tried to ignore this deal but I have every volume of these sets and it is on sale.



Buying UHD BD is one of my favorite things to do. A few others I couldn't ignore this week.

[mi_z]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

That is such a loaded question for me...lol..

There are literally too many reasons for me to list and I've engaged in so many conversations about them over the years on this forum that my feelings are well known. It all simply boils down to the fact that I really do mean what I say in my sig... I've created an environment in my home that gives me the same excitement that I used to get from attending the cinema.

With respect to DUNE specifically...I absolutely hate ratios slimmer than 1.85:1. I find them to be too close to what I associate with plain old TV ...that we used to watch in 4:3...

Sorry, I wasn't trying to bait you. What I mean is I understand why in ordinary situations you don't bother going to the cinema because your set up can replicate that feeling, but I don't get why make it a rule not to go even if you really want to see something.

For me there is nothing TV-feeling about the IMAX screens

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

While I agree to an extent, in a busy household (not mine) with several people accessing HD (At least) streaming, I feel fibre is essential for entertainment. Even then, FTTP is the far better option.
Let’s say we have a family of four, mam and dad are watching Netflix downstairs, Son is downloading a game (huge file size) and sister is watching Netflix also, anything other than full fibre is going to experience conflicts and potential buffering.

Two people watching separate Netflix streams with their anemic bitrates adds up to less than a single stream from Apple or Movies Anywhere, so really the only bandwidth demanding task is your son downloading a "huge" game, which can be done in the background, anyway. The download time for the game will just as likely be determined by the game server's ability to handle demand as by your internet type and speed.

All of this can be accomplished just as easily with a typical cable internet service.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Two people watching separate Netflix streams with their anemic bitrates adds up to less than a single stream from Apple or Movies Anywhere, so really the only bandwidth demanding task is your son downloading a "huge" game, which can be done in the background, anyway. The download time for the game will just as likely be determined by the game server's ability to handle demand as by your internet type and speed.

All of this can be accomplished just as easily with a typical cable internet service.

I’m not familiar with a cable internet service, maybe that’s where the confusion lies. Do you mean regular Broadband, and not fibre? I don’t know of a single broadband service that can handle two or three different activities at the same time. Heck, if family came to stay, I used to have the same issues until I switched to fibre (I now have FTTP). Speeds with old Broadband were between 4-8 Mbps. If someone is gaming online while others are watching HD streaming, there would be issues. This was also the experience of my sisters and their family until they upgraded to fibre.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by mi_z

Sorry, I wasn't trying to bait you. What I mean is I understand why in ordinary situations you don't bother going to the cinema because your set up can replicate that feeling, but I don't get why make it a rule not to go even if you really want to see something.

For me there is nothing TV-feeling about the IMAX screens

.. and I am sorry if anything in my response led you to believe that I felt baited..I can assure that I didn't feel that way in the slightest...

I had started a more detailed response to your query but decided against it as I hate that feeling that I'm repeating myself ...a feeling that one has more and more as they age..lol

I never say never, or live by any hard and fast rules, but I'm reasonably sure that Tarantino's final film THE MOVIE CRITIC will be my last visit to a cinema. I'll arrive early, ask the manager to let me into the booth to have a look at the projector setup, buy some popcorn and finally settle in with, what I assume will be, a like minded audience that will enjoy a nostalgic (actual) film experience...

... although I am gravely concerned that the movie is now pushed back to 2025...