James Bond: The Ultimate Collection (1962-2012) + Volume Collections - Page 204 - Blu-ray Forum

jdw89 · 05-18-2024, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Success!

I'll give you a detailed packaging and disc description, so you can pick this up if you want:

[Show spoiler]

That description out of the way, I'll play the disc now.

Begins with eternal black, a firmware notice, more eternal black, lots of laser adjustments, the 201? 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment Logo, an FBI Warning, then that big-ass menu.

When you hit "Initiate Mission", the movie begins. There's the 90s MGM logo, the modern UA logo with the 90s soundtrack, the gunbarrel, then the movie.

There's actually more grain when I'm staring at the screen. Somehow, I hadn't noticed that the shot from 0:02:14 to 0:02:17 was a combination of several generations of film and (weak) 90s CGI until now. The grain spikes there.

When Bond is in the storage closet, there's much more grain then I initially saw.

There's no motion smoothing whatsoever. There's also no instances of one object just randomly disappearing, like you might have seen on the absolute stunner of a 4K that was American Graffiti.

I didn't check the shot at 0:09:12-0:09:13, where the guy gets hit by the bike, closely. While it looks a bit waxy, it doesn't look as much DNR waxy as it does poor CGI waxy (think the Burly Brawl in The Matrix Reloaded). The shot from 0:10:29 to 0:10:39 looks poorly composited, possibly by a computer, but not DNR'd.

The opening credits is 90s CGI, printed out to film, and that printout is cut into the negative. Rather than go back the printout (which maybe was done at 2K?), they just scanned the negative which had the printout in it. There's definitely no DNR here. DNR would've wrecked this entire scene.

I got to 0:13:24 out of exactly 2:10:00 before I pulled the disc.

I don't have the time today to do the whole disc, but there's no possible way this is the same disc that was initially released. There's simply no possible way.

The picture on this disc is solid, and it might be the best disc in the set. The soundtrack is amazing too.

The worst I can say about this disc is that the restoration is aging, and that it's high time to do a new one. However, given the choice between finally fixing the Connery and Moore films that have weak discs at best, and redoing the Brosnan films when they're all solid, I say start with Dr. No and go from there. This disc is good. There's some issues with the scan where you can see that even though this was 4K across the board, most of the actual work was automated, and done with DVD in mind. I do think, however, that they rightly judged this film different than the 60s films. The negative was in much better shape, and so Lowry likely put less work into this than they did to the earlier films, which is why the Connery and Moore films have myriad complaints while the Dalton films onward have relatively few. In fact, aside from the disastrous first disc of Goldeneye, I can't name one complaint I've heard regarding any post-Moore disc.

While Lowry fouled up the restorations of the older films, the first Blu-ray mishap is either MGM's fault, Fox's fault, or both of their faults. Someone at one or both studios dropped the wrong transfer on the disc, and when everyone raised hell about it, they quietly switched the transfer. All the while they said the disc was stunning, and that there was never any problem with it, but that just simply isn't true.

This second, Lowry-produced master likely was a solid master in the early 2000s, but it doesn't hold up nowadays.

The second disc is definitely the lesser of the two evils (seriously, that first disc is an absolute disaster), so if you can find it cheap pull the trigger.

The first disc was literally a DNR'd DVD transfer dropped on a Blu-ray disc. The second disc just has an old restoration. A solid restoration, but an old one nonetheless.

So the James Bond Collection https://a.co/d/f51cGVf has the non-DNR’d Goldeneye?

Riddler95 · 05-18-2024, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

I can confirm that, yes, the disc is remastered.

I had initially heard what a disaster the disc was, popped it in, and said "this is nothing like anyone described." It wasn't even a case where the DNR wasn't that bad, it was literally a transfer nothing like anyone described.

I started looking, and other people said the disc was remastered.

It truly looks like a 4K scan/restoration/master of the OCN. While there's not a lot of grain, it's certainly not because the image got waxed. It's also not because they used the superior version of DNR, which actually removes grain without making the disc look like Predator. The only way I could make my disc look even remotely close to the original Blu-ray was to crank the DNR on my TV up to 11, and even then it was only mildly waxy, still not even close to the original disc.

There truly are two different discs. There's no possible way these could be the same disc.

Where the initial disc went so frickin' wrong is a problem that began before Blu-ray even existed. There's a Special Edition DVD listed here as being from 1999 and 2002, that disc had the initial waxy transfer. While I'm sure that looks beautiful on a DVD theater in a box hooked up to a Trinitron, it looks like ass on real equipment.

(As a disclaimer, I have no clue what was on the original snapper disc from 1997.)

Then Lowry did their 4K restoration, which apparently showed up on DVD in 2007. I didn't know the Blu-ray debut of Goldeneye was in 2012, so that's news to me.

Somewhere along the lines, the earlier Special Edition transfer got dropped on the Blu-ray. So in a tradition we're sadly all familiar with in this community, you had a DVD that was better than a Blu-ray, but with 22 other "solid" discs in the box, could you really complain about one?

Eventually, while still maintaining that the Blu-ray was, is, and had always been perfect, someone just quietly switched the master from the Special Edition transfer to the Lowry transfer.

I can say right now that the disc is in the white set, which is going for no more than $60 everywhere. (I think that means something's on the horizon and they're burning off old stock, but you can take my opinion for whatever you will.) I will attempt to excavate my set today, but no guarantees.

I'm 100% sure though that there are two different discs. That first disc was like Predator. This second one looks like it came from Criterion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Success!

I'll give you a detailed packaging and disc description, so you can pick this up if you want:

[Show spoiler]

That description out of the way, I'll play the disc now.

Begins with eternal black, a firmware notice, more eternal black, lots of laser adjustments, the 201? 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment Logo, an FBI Warning, then that big-ass menu.

When you hit "Initiate Mission", the movie begins. There's the 90s MGM logo, the modern UA logo with the 90s soundtrack, the gunbarrel, then the movie.

There's actually more grain when I'm staring at the screen. Somehow, I hadn't noticed that the shot from 0:02:14 to 0:02:17 was a combination of several generations of film and (weak) 90s CGI until now. The grain spikes there.

When Bond is in the storage closet, there's much more grain then I initially saw.

There's no motion smoothing whatsoever. There's also no instances of one object just randomly disappearing, like you might have seen on the absolute stunner of a 4K that was American Graffiti.

I didn't check the shot at 0:09:12-0:09:13, where the guy gets hit by the bike, closely. While it looks a bit waxy, it doesn't look as much DNR waxy as it does poor CGI waxy (think the Burly Brawl in The Matrix Reloaded). The shot from 0:10:29 to 0:10:39 looks poorly composited, possibly by a computer, but not DNR'd.

The opening credits is 90s CGI, printed out to film, and that printout is cut into the negative. Rather than go back the printout (which maybe was done at 2K?), they just scanned the negative which had the printout in it. There's definitely no DNR here. DNR would've wrecked this entire scene.

I got to 0:13:24 out of exactly 2:10:00 before I pulled the disc.

I don't have the time today to do the whole disc, but there's no possible way this is the same disc that was initially released. There's simply no possible way.

The picture on this disc is solid, and it might be the best disc in the set. The soundtrack is amazing too.

The worst I can say about this disc is that the restoration is aging, and that it's high time to do a new one. However, given the choice between finally fixing the Connery and Moore films that have weak discs at best, and redoing the Brosnan films when they're all solid, I say start with Dr. No and go from there. This disc is good. There's some issues with the scan where you can see that even though this was 4K across the board, most of the actual work was automated, and done with DVD in mind. I do think, however, that they rightly judged this film different than the 60s films. The negative was in much better shape, and so Lowry likely put less work into this than they did to the earlier films, which is why the Connery and Moore films have myriad complaints while the Dalton films onward have relatively few. In fact, aside from the disastrous first disc of Goldeneye, I can't name one complaint I've heard regarding any post-Moore disc.

While Lowry fouled up the restorations of the older films, the first Blu-ray mishap is either MGM's fault, Fox's fault, or both of their faults. Someone at one or both studios dropped the wrong transfer on the disc, and when everyone raised hell about it, they quietly switched the transfer. All the while they said the disc was stunning, and that there was never any problem with it, but that just simply isn't true.

This second, Lowry-produced master likely was a solid master in the early 2000s, but it doesn't hold up nowadays.

The second disc is definitely the lesser of the two evils (seriously, that first disc is an absolute disaster), so if you can find it cheap pull the trigger.

The first disc was literally a DNR'd DVD transfer dropped on a Blu-ray disc. The second disc just has an old restoration. A solid restoration, but an old one nonetheless.

Exactly!

My Blu-Ray copy of GoldenEye is the same as yours and everything you mentioned in your comments is present in the Video Presentation in my copy. I even popped my disc in minutes ago just to double check as well.

I agree, the first time I watched my copy of GoldenEye on Blu-Ray I guessed that the transfer was sourced from the "Original Cameron Negative" and underwent an automated clean-up process.

Even though I am happy with the surprisingly good transfer on my Blu-Ray copy of GoldenEye, I agree, it is time for GoldenEye do undergo another restoration using modern systems. The movie is going to be thirty years old next year.

I would double-dip if a superior version of GoldenEye ever gets released on Blu-Ray.

jonam · 05-18-2024, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jdw89

So the James Bond Collection https://a.co/d/f51cGVf has the non-DNR’d Goldeneye?

Anywhere you can get this version of Goldeneye seperately?

Markgway · 05-18-2024, 09:44 PM

We need Goldeneye on 4K!

Make it happen, MGMazon!

Markgway · 05-18-2024, 09:53 PM

This Polish edition from 2020 has the Warner logo on it.

https://www.amazon.it/GoldenEye-Blu-...6069098&sr=8-7

Riddler95 · 05-18-2024, 10:27 PM

Amazon.ca is currently the Pierce Brosnan Collection for $18.66. That is a great price for the four movies.

It is the Warner Bros Edition which includes the superior Blu-Ray edition of GoldenEye.

https://www.amazon.ca/Pierce-Brosnan...uXpAGPx9-6TpN-
lnytab7fCJqq9jw0RajnfSqJ3e4qSXb_cX4jUs-n14u8mWjI_hsluCw.K8tNKHbhH1E--6njvVFaawZsx7kg8Y95ItnNk7LUac8&dib_tag=se&keywords =pierce+brosnan&qid=1716071146&s=dvd&sprefix=pierc e+brosnan%2Cdvd%2C120&sr=1-2

Shane Rollins · 05-19-2024, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by koberulz

Thus proving it's not a WB remaster.

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Originally Posted by ReedSolomon

I think he's talking about everything leading up to the display of the blu ray menu. How does all of "not the movie" say anything about "movie"?

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Originally Posted by Fat Phil

If this disc is in circulation, wouldn't it just be easier to pick up the Pierce Brosnan collection re-pressed by Warner Bros in 2020? Rather than the jumbo Bond collection. The thing's like $14.99. Shirley it would contain the same disc as the re-pressed jumbo?

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Originally Posted by koberulz

WB remastered the movie, reauthored the disc, and left TCF's logos intact? Not buying it.

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Originally Posted by ReedSolomon

The difference between a lying and being incorrect is knowledge and intent. I don't think anyone is lying.

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Originally Posted by koberulz

Right. The only people claiming there's a new resto are those who have put the disc in for the first time, having never seen it on Blu-ray before, and gone "it's not as bad as I expected." Nobody has ever claimed to have seen "both versions."

The timeline I've been able to assemble is this:

1. Special Edition DVD transfer completed and released. This transfer is noticeably bad now, but it was par for the course in the late 90s.

2. Lowry transfer completed and released. It was great then, and of the Bond Blu-rays it's one of the best, but it's showing its age.

3. First Goldeneye Blu-ray released by MGM and Fox. This is where the problem happened. Some way, somehow, the 1999 transfer was released instead of the 2007 transfer.

4. Everyone raised hell, while MGM and Fox stood by their disc.

5. MGM and/or Fox quietly fixes the mistake on all future copies of Goldeneye, and issues the disc with the correct transfer. They say nothing, insisting the disc was the same disc all along, but it's just not true.

6. Warner Bros. eventually got the home video rights to James Bond, as evidenced by this box set and their recent release of the Dr. No SteelBook and box set (TL;DR, that's literally the same Blu-ray disc in fancy packaging). While my set says 2015 and 2016, I assume that WB just left those years intact. Not only did they not have the rights then, but they have a more recent logo on the cases that only came around in either 2020 or 2021.

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Originally Posted by koberulz

If GoldenEye had got a remastered Blu-ray, it would've been widely-shared news.

And this is why they should've just owned it. We would've all known about the new disc, likely bought it, and this wouldn't be going on.

These caps are of the original Blu-ray. Just the first 13 minutes are way different. I'm not even saying I probably don't have the old disc. I'm saying there's no possible way I could. Even when I cranked up the DNR on my TV, it still looked nothing close to those caps.

For comparison, right after I was done with Goldeneye I switched to Moonraker for another thread, and instantly there was a major step down in quality. I've seen enough film restorations and remasters to tell the difference between the age of the picture and a bad restoration, and that one has a bad restoration. It honestly looked more like a so-so Blu-ray, or a good enough DVD.

So clearly this isn't a hardware issue or a bad eye on my part. (Even though my eyes admittedly suck.) This is truly a case where there are two discs of Goldeneye.

While tracking down the remastered Goldeneye disc is a good idea on its face, the real answer is MGM and whoever they have a deal with today need to get on the stick and start properly restoring the Bond movies.

Depending on your love of this movie, $5-$10 for an individual disc, $25 for a Brosnan set, and $80 for the complete series is where I draw the line. (Also, if you get one of the sets at Walmart or Target, which has the Spectre sticker on the front and the blue WB shield on the bottom, I'd say you're 99% guaranteed to have the remastered disc.

Shane Rollins · 05-19-2024, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Riddler95

Exactly!

My Blu-Ray copy of GoldenEye is the same as yours and everything you mentioned in your comments is present in the Video Presentation in my copy. I even popped my disc in minutes ago just to double check as well.

I agree, the first time I watched my copy of GoldenEye on Blu-Ray I guessed that the transfer was sourced from the "Original Cameron Negative" and underwent an automated clean-up process.

Even though I am happy with the surprisingly good transfer on my Blu-Ray copy of GoldenEye, I agree, it is time for GoldenEye do undergo another restoration using modern systems. The movie is going to be thirty years old next year.

I would double-dip if a superior version of GoldenEye ever gets released on Blu-Ray.

Automated process, most likely yes. Lowry has done several other notorious early 2000s restorations, and while they improved with each one, let's not pretend they were batting a thousand.

Their first restoration was Citizen Kane in 2001 which was the first and (at least until recently) the only film to ever be restored entirely by a computer with no human intervention. And it showed. The program not only removed dirt, debris, and damage, but also a substantial amount of detail and shadows that were intentionally there. And the grain was completely gone.

Next up came Sunset Boulevard. I haven't seen the disc for myself, but I heard it's not much better than Kane. And then came Bond.

Where Bond went royally wrong is that Lowry got the project in the first place. They regarded the 20 films they were given as if they were one, and just cranked them out. If they're that stupid to regard 20 individual films as if they're one 60-hour-long Stroheimian epic, they're clearly the wrong people to be doing this job. MGM, unfortunately, didn't see it that way. (They were also too broke to pay for competent people to come in.)

While all 20 films received 4K scans of the negatives (because there's nothing more important than restoring the then few-year-old Die Another Day), they then went through a series of automated repairs on most parts of the films, while completely overhauling others. New sound effects were created that weren't even close to the original ones. Also, the original soundtracks that were supposed to be on the first sixteen films had even more issues than the 5.1 remixes. Many scenes had grain removed, many scenes with damage had the damage poorly addressed, matte scenes were poorly smoothed out, the list of errors goes on and on. In fact, dropping the wrong Goldeneye transfer on a disc was one of their lightest foul-ups. The entire set was just an endless series of problems, and frankly I would've rather had them take their time and get these movies right once and for all, rather than completely screw up and leave us demanding better discs for over a decade now.

Now in terms of revisionism, like Cameron does, that really only affected the older films in this set. Even though Lowry used the same set of tools that Cameron does (but the jury's still out on whether someone bought in their personal tube TV for "reference"), Lowry did it as a way of cutting corners. Cameron does it because, in his batshit crazy mind, he really thinks that makes the image look good.

koberulz · 05-19-2024, 01:14 PM

Number of screenshots of the alleged new disc: 0.

Riddler95 · 05-19-2024, 09:09 PM

The Lowry Master for GoldenEye was cropped because apparently the Video Master that MGM provided to Lowry Digital was cropped to begin with and I remember the Ultimate Edition DVD received so much backlash regarding the cropped image that MGM obviously decided to never again use the Lowry Master for a re-release.

When I bought the Pierce Brosnan James Bond Collection on Blu-Ray a couple years back, I had very low expectations for GoldenEye regarding the backlash the video presentation on the 2012 Blu-Ray received but as I watched it I was extremely surprised by how good it looked and I didn't see any of the problems people had complained about with the 2012 Blu-Ray.

That was when I realised that either MGM, Fox, or Warner Bros secretly struck a new transfer for GoldenEye and pressed new discs with the superior encode.

AniPhantom · 05-19-2024, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Riddler95

The Lowry Master for GoldenEye was cropped because apparently the Video Master that MGM provided to Lowry Digital was cropped to begin with and I remember the Ultimate Edition DVD received so much backlash regarding the cropped image that MGM obviously decided to never again use the Lowry Master for a re-release.

When I bought the Pierce Brosnan James Bond Collection on Blu-Ray a couple years back, I had very low expectations for GoldenEye regarding the backlash the video presentation on the 2012 Blu-Ray received but as I watched it I was extremely surprised by how good it looked and I didn't see any of the problems people had complained about with the 2012 Blu-Ray.

That was when I realised that either MGM, Fox, or Warner Bros secretly struck a new transfer for GoldenEye and pressed new discs with the superior encode.

Certainly didn't know this was a thing.

Riddler95 · 05-19-2024, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AniPhantom

Certainly didn't know this was a thing.

All four sides of the image in the Lowry Master which was used for the Ultimate Edition DVD were cropped. MGM should have double-checked the master before they gave it to Lowry but they didn't. So when MGM was preparing GoldenEye for Blu-Ray they definitely wanted to resolve that problem.

Even though my Ultimate Edition DVD of GoldenEye doesn't play anymore, I did watch it enough times to remember how it looked, and the transfer on my Blu-Ray copy of GoldenEye offers a very nice improvement which is noticeable.

stonesfan129 · 05-20-2024, 02:17 AM

Anyone have screenshots comparing the 2012 Blu-ray to the Pierce Brosnan Blu-ray box? I am getting this in a few weeks and can get some otherwise. I bought the white Blu-ray box some years back and pretty sure mine does NOT have the WB logo on it. I think I got it back in 2016 or whenever Spectre was released on BD as my set included it. My Goldeneye looks massively DNR'd, pretty sure I don't have a "secret remaster" disc.

I don't know why MGM won't just restore these properly.

Riddler95 · 05-20-2024, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RNixon

I don't know if I'm missing something, but are some people saying the (zoomed) Lowry GoldenEye was released on Blu? Something easily confirmed by comparing the disc to the screengrabs here and on caps-a-holic? The 2012 BD was a different transfer, not zoomed in, and the screengrabs look worse than the actual disc - unless it was remastered and replaced incredibly quickly.

I'll also add that Lowry only did 4K remasters of the first nine films, with the rest being in HD (although I seem to recall Moonraker later received special treatment due to the opticals). Here's a quote from John Lowry: https://www.mi6community.com/discuss...-blu-ray-4k/p4

I should also, also add that a number of grading errors on the Lowry'd DVDs were addressed by the time of the BD release, like the OHMSS skies, etc, etc.

Correct, the Lowry Master of GoldenEye was never transferred to Blu-Ray.

Joe Bond · 05-20-2024, 02:50 PM

I have both the 2016 Black Box Set and Goldeneye in 4k from iTunes. After work I can look. However, I doubt it’s a new disc. MGM logo would have been newer. The Spy Who Loved Me was the only title with a new MGM logo in the Bond 50 set and happened to have a newer master at the time. All the Bond 4K titles I have on iTunes have a newer MGM logo. That would have to be updated if it were remastered. I mean the DNR’d disc still had grain but I don’t believe it was consistent and didn’t look right the way it should be but it’s been a while since I’ve watched it on disc.

stonesfan129 · 05-20-2024, 07:09 PM

I have this box set - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-J...lu-ray/136828/ and I confirmed mine does NOT have a WB logo anywhere. Mine looks like it was distributed by 20th Century Fox. The 20th Century Fox logo is on the bottom of mine.

Now... Are we saying that the newer Pierce Brosnan Blu-ray set from 2020, distributed by WB, has a "secret remaster" of Goldeneye on Blu-ray in it? Does anyone have any proof that it's a different master?

Fat Phil · 05-20-2024, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Does anyone have any proof that it's a different master?

Thus far, it’s completely unsubstantiated. No screenshots, bd scans or anything tangible.

Riddler95 · 05-20-2024, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RNixon

I thought as much, so thanks for the confirmation. It looks like some people have been hypothesising incorrectly.

If the Lowry Master was used for the Blu-Ray of GoldenEye, then the cropping would be present but it isn't.

Instead the Blu-Ray features the movie in it's proper framing.

Joe Bond · 05-20-2024, 10:01 PM

Checked my disc. Same as the one from 2012 sadly. Below has comparisons between iTunes 4k and Blu-ray. I’ve used this to decide which ones to upgrade to iTunes 4k. Admittedly the screenshots aren’t the best.

https://007homemedia.blogspot.com/20...-1995.html?m=1

stonesfan129 · 05-20-2024, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bond

Checked my disc. Same as the one from 2012 sadly.

Which disc?

05-20-2024, 02:17 AM	#4073
stonesfan129 Special Member Member since:Jun 2016 Location:Wisconsin Blu-ray collection:122 DVD collection:10 Trading Score:2	Anyone have screenshots comparing the 2012 Blu-ray to the Pierce Brosnan Blu-ray box? I am getting this in a few weeks and can get some otherwise. I bought the white Blu-ray box some years back and pretty sure mine does NOT have the WB logo on it. I think I got it back in 2016 or whenever Spectre was released on BD as my set included it. My Goldeneye looks massively DNR'd, pretty sure I don't have a "secret remaster" disc. I don't know why MGM won't just restore these properly. Last edited by stonesfan129; 05-20-2024 at 02:31 AM.

05-18-2024, 09:44 PM	#4064
Markgway Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jul 2013 Location:Scotland Trading Score:13	We need Goldeneye on 4K! Make it happen, MGMazon!

05-18-2024, 09:53 PM	#4065
Markgway Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jul 2013 Location:Scotland Trading Score:13	This Polish edition from 2020 has the Warner logo on it. https://www.amazon.it/GoldenEye-Blu-...6069098&sr=8-7

05-18-2024, 10:27 PM	#4066
Riddler95 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2009	Amazon.ca is currently the Pierce Brosnan Collection for $18.66. That is a great price for the four movies. It is the Warner Bros Edition which includes the superior Blu-Ray edition of GoldenEye. https://www.amazon.ca/Pierce-Brosnan...uXpAGPx9-6TpN- lnytab7fCJqq9jw0RajnfSqJ3e4qSXb_cX4jUs-n14u8mWjI_hsluCw.K8tNKHbhH1E--6njvVFaawZsx7kg8Y95ItnNk7LUac8&dib_tag=se&keywords =pierce+brosnan&qid=1716071146&s=dvd&sprefix=pierc e+brosnan%2Cdvd%2C120&sr=1-2

05-19-2024, 01:14 PM	#4069
koberulz Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:May 2016 Location:Australia 4K collection:206 Blu-ray collection:2291 DVD collection:532 Trading Score:17	Number of screenshots of the alleged new disc: 0.

05-19-2024, 09:09 PM	#4070
Riddler95 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2009	The Lowry Master for GoldenEye was cropped because apparently the Video Master that MGM provided to Lowry Digital was cropped to begin with and I remember the Ultimate Edition DVD received so much backlash regarding the cropped image that MGM obviously decided to never again use the Lowry Master for a re-release. When I bought the Pierce Brosnan James Bond Collection on Blu-Ray a couple years back, I had very low expectations for GoldenEye regarding the backlash the video presentation on the 2012 Blu-Ray received but as I watched it I was extremely surprised by how good it looked and I didn't see any of the problems people had complained about with the 2012 Blu-Ray. That was when I realised that either MGM, Fox, or Warner Bros secretly struck a new transfer for GoldenEye and pressed new discs with the superior encode.

05-20-2024, 02:50 PM	#4075
Joe Bond Active Member Member since:Sep 2009 4K collection:19 Blu-ray collection:541 DVD collection:154 Digital collection:3 iTunes collection:150 Blu-ray reviews: 4	I have both the 2016 Black Box Set and Goldeneye in 4k from iTunes. After work I can look. However, I doubt it’s a new disc. MGM logo would have been newer. The Spy Who Loved Me was the only title with a new MGM logo in the Bond 50 set and happened to have a newer master at the time. All the Bond 4K titles I have on iTunes have a newer MGM logo. That would have to be updated if it were remastered. I mean the DNR’d disc still had grain but I don’t believe it was consistent and didn’t look right the way it should be but it’s been a while since I’ve watched it on disc.

05-20-2024, 07:09 PM	#4076
stonesfan129 Special Member Member since:Jun 2016 Location:Wisconsin Blu-ray collection:122 DVD collection:10 Trading Score:2	I have this box set - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-J...lu-ray/136828/ and I confirmed mine does NOT have a WB logo anywhere. Mine looks like it was distributed by 20th Century Fox. The 20th Century Fox logo is on the bottom of mine. Now... Are we saying that the newer Pierce Brosnan Blu-ray set from 2020, distributed by WB, has a "secret remaster" of Goldeneye on Blu-ray in it? Does anyone have any proof that it's a different master?

05-20-2024, 10:01 PM	#4079
Joe Bond Active Member Member since:Sep 2009 4K collection:19 Blu-ray collection:541 DVD collection:154 Digital collection:3 iTunes collection:150 Blu-ray reviews: 4	Checked my disc. Same as the one from 2012 sadly. Below has comparisons between iTunes 4k and Blu-ray. I’ve used this to decide which ones to upgrade to iTunes 4k. Admittedly the screenshots aren’t the best. https://007homemedia.blogspot.com/20...-1995.html?m=1

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