Addams Family Values 4K UHD (1993)

[y2jman]

if this is terrible i won't get few years ago i was going to order bluray but waited on 4k

now am not sure what to do since you guys saying not that great like i said still got double feature dvd btw

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by nicwood

It does look like a Blu-ray but I think the encode is the culprit and less the element they used. The way these 4K caps look reminded me of how the recent international re-encodes of The Firm, Truman Show etc. where the US versions look devoid of detail and suggest a poorer soruce element but in the end it was just crappy encoding. Here's an example: https://slow.pics/c/mrCH5wwv.

This one from Addams shows that the new transfer has a tiny bit more detail than the old BD: https://slow.pics/c/2iPMRiTv and presumably more had they not taken off the top layer.

Erm...not sure what that Firm comparison is supposed to prove, it already looks much sharper than any of those AFV shots even in the worst encoded iteration, and in said iteration it's reducing stuff to blocky awfulness instead of taking a global bite out of the resolution of the whole image. They well have done something to AFV's encode but that source does not look anywhere near OG neg to me.

[bebbsie23]

Originally Posted by y2jman

if this is terrible i won't get few years ago i was going to order bluray but waited on 4k

now am not sure what to do since you guys saying not that great like i said still got double feature dvd btw

This will be leagues better than your DVD and I'm sure it'll be better than the old blu-ray. We can see additional detail and the colour is much improved in the caps. It's just not going to be the show stopper we were hoping for because it's Paramount.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by ko8ebryant24

BD vs UHD BL/BL+FEL

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2111

I'm enormously relieved to see they finally fixed the color timing issues in the camp sequences. I assume the location was just SUPER overcast, but with the photochemical technology of the day, they were only able to make it look weirdly desaturated except for the blues and oranges, so all that footage looked like early 1930s color film stock.

It finally looks normal, as in caps 20 and 24. This is one type of digital adjustment I'm totally fine with.

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by bebbsie23

Dear Paramount, haven't we suffered enough? Surely we are due a winner now!?! please let it be Galaxy Quest

Meanwhile, Paramount:

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Erm...not sure what that Firm comparison is supposed to prove, it already looks much sharper than any of those AFV shots even in the worst encoded iteration, and in said iteration it's reducing stuff to blocky awfulness instead of taking a global bite out of the resolution of the whole image. They well have done something to AFV's encode but that source does not look anywhere near OG neg to me.

honestly the encode looks fine to me, which is a shocker, but I think the true reveal will be seeing it in motion rather than caps

[mr.burr.jangles]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

honestly the encode looks fine to me, which is a shocker, but I think the true reveal will be seeing it in motion rather than caps

Especially when we get to see the full Dolby vision not HDR10 tonemaps of dubious origin

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

honestly the encode looks fine to me, which is a shocker, but I think the true reveal will be seeing it in motion rather than caps

Exactly, it's not crapping itself in the brighter areas in the caps so if the lack of hf detail is purely encode-related then they're doing something very different to what they usually do.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Exactly, it's not crapping itself in the brighter areas in the caps so if the lack of hf detail is purely encode-related then they're doing something very different to what they usually do.

even as it is regarding the caps, I still think it's a SIGNIFICANT upgrade, I highly disagree with the previous comment that its only major advantage is the color timing being much better

it looks far more organic and less like a mushy and dated telecine

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

even as it is regarding the caps, I still think it's a SIGNIFICANT upgrade, I highly disagree with the previous comment that its only major advantage is the color timing being much better

it looks far more organic and less like a mushy and dated telecine

Yeah, I'm not saying it ISN'T. That Blu is so unbelievably shitty that a ViewMaster version would look betterer. But there's still something really screwy going on with the 4K in itself, and I'd like to know what/why. Maybe notops' report of the print looking crummy as hell points to a deeper problem here, perhaps the OG negative was badly damaged at the time so all Paramount have left are downstream assets? Might not even be an IP from the looks of it.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, I'm not saying it ISN'T. That Blu is so unbelievably shitty that a ViewMaster version would look betterer. But there's still something really screwy going on with the 4K in itself, and I'd like to know what/why. Maybe notops' report of the print looking crummy as hell points to a deeper problem here, perhaps the OG negative was badly damaged at the time so all Paramount have left are downstream assets? Might not even be an IP from the looks of it.

Paramount+ has the new master so I looked at it a tiny bit, in motion it looks fantastic (streaming compression aside) and it looks better than the caps seem to lead, the detail to me at least looked really good, seems to have more detail than one could pull from an IP so it might very well be they used the OCN

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by SpacemanDoug

even as it is regarding the caps, I still think it's a SIGNIFICANT upgrade, I highly disagree with the previous comment that its only major advantage is the color timing being much better

it looks far more organic and less like a mushy and dated telecine

Are you referring to my comment? If so, I think it’s as significant an upgrade as you mentioned, it’s just not as crisp and detailed as the best new remasters, that’s all. In that regard, the old master is similar to the new one but much inferior in every other regard. And I’m obviously speaking from Kobe’s caps here as my disc is still in transit.

[SpacemanDoug]

Originally Posted by nicwood

Are you referring to my comment? If so, I think it’s as significant an upgrade as you mentioned, it’s just not as crisp and detailed as the best new remasters, that’s all. In that regard, the old master is similar to the new one but much inferior in every other regard. And I’m obviously speaking from Kobe’s caps here as my disc is still in transit.

based on what I'm seeing on Paramount+, it's inconsistent

a lot of shots look sharp and detailed and others look softer (not from DNR), idk honestly

[Majin Blu]

Has anyone else's preorder on Amazon been pushed back to arriving on November 6th?

[notops]

Originally Posted by Majin Blu

Has anyone else's preorder on Amazon been pushed back to arriving on November 6th?

Mine is still dated for Tuesday. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

[Dsneybuf]

Mine says "Arriving November 4".

[RYJAPE21]

Originally Posted by notops

Mine is still dated for Tuesday. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

Same

[kevin87]

I ordered with target.com, Deadpool & Wolverine shipped nearly a week before release (not that it mattered, I didn't get it until release day lol) but this hasn't shipped so I checked, and it's saying backordered now with an estimated arrival date of November 4th.

Is there some problem with Paramount titles or something? White Christmas doesn't say backordered but the estimated arrival date has moved back from Nov 6th to the 11th.

[y2jman]

i know pre order won't get until nov 6th amazon

i'm worry about trying to order this target tomorrow midnight might be sold out? if that's the case i'll prob order bullmoose

its too bad walmart online doesn't have this but yet has 1st movie on 4k meh

[TenYearLurker]

My copy from Bullmoose is out for delivery and hitting my mailbox in the next few hours.

Stop ordering from Amazon if you want to receive your preorders by release date (and if you want them packaged with the bare minimum of care).