Gladiator (2000)

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by mikem471

You were going to call a complaint department, to see if there were any complaints about something that hasn't been released yet????

Are you f*cking serious?????

Why are all of you so angry? Wow just a guy sharing opinions and you jump on him like he just killed your cat. RELAX its just a fricken disc we are talking about. Settle down and stop being such a !

There are obviously A LOT of people on different forums saying they will not buy this Blu-ray that, as you say has not been released yet. So YES people are complaining about a movie that has not been released yet.

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by mikem471

You were going to call a complaint department, to see if there were any complaints about something that hasn't been released yet????

Are you f*cking serious?????

actually i think he said "complaints or concerns"

edit: we all have concerns, but its hard to voice them before we actually see the PQ IMO.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

Why are all of you so angry? Wow just a guy sharing opinions and you jump on him like he just killed your cat. RELAX its just a fricken disc we are talking about. Settle down and stop being such a douche!

I dont think he's mad, I just think he's making fun of you.

[bypass]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

I found this and called expecting to get a voice mail and a live person answered. I was flustered and hung up. Wondering if any of you would call and ask her what the deal is with Gladiator. It is a direct line to Paramount studios. I asked for the Blu-ray complaint department and they put me right through.

Call 323-956-5000. If you are calling about the decision to only release high def on HD-DVD ask for the DVD complaints department. You will then have to leave a message explaining your complaint, with your name and phone number. Good luck

This was obviously published a while ago

Ha, I was actually going to post that number if they did not get back with me, but I called and asked for Mr. Huntsberry, who is the COO for Paramount. I didn't get him, because his assistant informed me he wouldn't have any influence on having a BD recalled.

Although, she was kind enough to re-direct me to another executive's office, where I spoke with a lady named Katie who kindly told me she would ask around, and get back with me about it. We shall see. =) I'm a very tenacious person, so a person's appellation does not dissuade me.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by bypass

Ha, I was actually going to post that number if they did not get back with me, but I called and asked for Mr. Huntsberry, who is the COO for Paramount. I didn't get him, because his assistant informed me he wouldn't have any influence on having a BD recalled.

Although, she was kind enough to re-direct me to another executive's office, where I spoke with a lady named Katie who kindly told me she would ask around, and get back with me about it. We shall see. =) I'm a very tenacious person, so a person's appellation does not dissuade me.

Have you seen the disc yet, and what inqueries are you going to make?

[king_patrick_7]

Originally Posted by mikem471

You were going to call a complaint department, to see if there were any complaints about something that hasn't been released yet????

Are you f*cking serious?????

+1000000 LOL


No one seems to be mentioning the UPGRADED SOUND QUALITY over dvd... you know... sound... the other half of the movie thats not video.

[bandit29]

Originally Posted by bypass

Ha, I was actually going to post that number if they did not get back with me, but I called and asked for Mr. Huntsberry, who is the COO for Paramount. I didn't get him, because his assistant informed me he wouldn't have any influence on having a BD recalled.

Although, she was kind enough to re-direct me to another executive's office, where I spoke with a lady named Katie who kindly told me she would ask around, and get back with me about it. We shall see. =) I'm a very tenacious person, so a person's appellation does not dissuade me.

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by king_patrick_7

+1000000 LOL


No one seems to be mentioning the UPGRADED SOUND QUALITY over dvd... you know... sound... the other half of the movie thats not video.

+10000000

IMO AQ is twice as important as PQ. A few people who've already watced the BD posted that the AQ is A+. This alone is enough for me to upgrade!

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I dont think he's mad, I just think he's making fun of you.

Thats usually easy enough

[thecardman23]

lol! that whole complaint department thing is funny. dude you have to realize none of us can do that wo having to explain how we watched it prior to its release date. lol but i think ppl should calm down.... this thread has become seriously heated and harsher place to post in the last little bit. like the guy before said... its just a disc, we all need to RELAX. "i feel like i need body armour just to post in this thread" lol


.... bonus points for the faceplant pic.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Not sure what to make of THIS post over at AVS

Plausible.............????

No, for very logical reasons.

The guy implies that a first transfer was made, really poor, to match a HD DVD + Blu Ray release.
then a superior encode was made for HD DVD only.
Then the current release used the original poor version, with bits of the HD DVD "superior encode" for the extended scenes.

1) Blu Ray has always had more bitrate bandwidth than HD DVD. Doing a "poor" multi format then "better" version solely for HD DVD does not compute.
2) Using said already made poor version with bits of the better version instead of only using the best encode does not make sense either.
Once the encode is done (even partially), the cost is already done.
There's then no sense in mixing good with bad and fiddling / using time to patchwork the whole thing, costing money.
Even if the "top" encode was only partially finished (it had to be well advanced, to have all the extended bits), I'm pretty sure that finishing it would be less costly than trying to mix and match the poor one and the good one.

From a cost perspective, as well as image of Paramount in their Sapphire series, it does not make sense that a "top" encode was already made, even if only partially.
It could make sense on the other hand that they had a "relatively" poor encode prepared to a HD DVD release after they went exclusive, and then decided to save a buck recently to -only- encode with top AVC encoders the bits necessary for the extended version.
After all that, why they would try to pull something like this (-IF- confirmed, and that's a big IF) for Paramount's Sapphire series and one of the most acclaimed title in their catalogue, that would be beyond me.

Back to the AVS posting, that guy sounds like a huge HD DVD bitter fanboy, up to the point where he points out at the "fanatics" of Blu-Ray.com

[bypass]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Have you seen the disc yet, and what inqueries are you going to make?

I haven't seen it myself, but I've seen screenshots on various websites that corroborates the uproar that seems to have started over at the AVS forum; including the spears that have been cut into sections. So, I mentioned that as an attestation to the shoddy transfer. =) I also juxtaposed it with Braveheart, since it also bears the "Sapphire Series" moniker, and is due to be released on the same day.

It may seem foolish to some, because the title has not been released yet; but this should get the movement going. A consequence could be a recall that happens sooner, rather than later.

[aramis109]

Heh, we're all fanatics. That's why we're all discussing a disc we've not even seen yet. I don't myself hold much creedence to the "rumor" and all the supposed "backlash" Matt is getting from his sources. It could very well be true, but I remain a healthy skeptic.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

Thats usually easy enough

It appears you were not alone in your plan anyway.

[zacko24]

Originally Posted by bypass

I haven't seen it myself, but I've seen screenshots on various websites that corroborates the uproar that seems to have started over at the AVS forum; including the spears that have been cut into sections. So, I mentioned that as an attestation to the shoddy transfer. =) I also juxtaposed it with Braveheart, since it also bears the "Sapphire Series" moniker, and is due to be released on the same day.

Using big words doesn't make you sound any less stupid for calling to complain about a disc that you have yet to view.

[benricci]

Originally Posted by zacko24

Using big words doesn't make you sound any less stupid for calling to complain about a disc that you have yet to view.

lol. Seriously, a simple "no I haven't seen it" would have been enough.

[Petri Teittinen]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I'm guessing this 2000 master, if it was used for the BD, utilized more DNR because it was intended to be viewed in 480p

That's not quite how it works, actually. When a film is transferred, i.e. scanned, you end up with raw data in 2K, 4K or 8K resolution, depending on the scanning resolution. That raw data is then color-corrected in post, because the colors are off coming out of the scanner. After that you have a proper master, ready for further processing required by the release media. It's that master you start with when encoding for DVD or Blu-ray. You don't take a master pre-processed for DVD and use that for Blu-ray.

[bypass]

Originally Posted by zacko24

Using big words doesn't make you sound any less stupid for calling to complain about a disc that you have yet to view.

It may seem foolish to some, because the title has not been released yet; but this should get the movement going. A consequence could be a recall that happens sooner, rather than later.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

.....Back to the AVS posting, that guy sounds like a huge HD DVD bitter fanboy, up to the point where he poitns out at the "fanatics" of Blu-Ray.com

Yep, I suspect there could be some 'baiting' going on looking at the comments. Remember back during the format war, something similar happended when a totaly untrue story was circulated

Lets wait and see the transfer with our own eyes before passing any judgement on this release, is the best advice.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by bypass

I haven't seen it myself, but I've seen screenshots on various websites that corroborates the uproar that seems to have started over at the AVS forum; including the spears that have been cut into sections. So, I mentioned that as an attestation to the shoddy transfer. =) I also juxtaposed it with Braveheart, since it also bears the "Sapphire Series" moniker, and is due to be released on the same day.

It may seem foolish to some, because the title has not been released yet; but this should get the movement going. A consequence could be a recall that happens sooner, rather than later.

Until I know for a fact that those screen caps were not the work of a photoshop artist looking to create waves, I am keeping quiet. The movie could be an utter disaster, but we could be the targets of a game-player.

This could even run as deep (shallow ) as a Braveheart fanboy wanting to poo-poo the Gladiator fanboys. Not claiming that is the case, just saying weirder things have happened.