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Old 07-11-2009, 05:16 AM   #141
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Hey guys anyone can help me with the kdl-40m4000 I bought it like 6 months ago but ever since I been having problems with the image settings, of course I did not use vivid.

right know I have it like this

Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: 6
Picture: 66
Brightness: 50
Color: 65
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Cool
Sharpness: 15

Noise reduction: High
Black Corrector: High
Gamma: High
Clear White: High
Live Color: High
Light Sensor: Off

I adjusted it with a Blu ray disc, however when I use it with the PS3 I got this horrible blur that seems to make image transcends the previous one.

Does anybody has it? What should I change on the settings?

Please someone help me !

Thanks.
First thing you need to do is turn the Noise Reduction completely off. That should take care of a lot (if not all) of the blur. I'll try to say more later (no time now).
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Old 07-11-2009, 06:12 AM   #142
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First thing you need to do is turn the Noise Reduction completely off. That should take care of a lot (if not all) of the blur. I'll try to say more later (no time now).

Thank you. I did it and It sure does help a lot.

But dunno I still feel that my settings are all messed up and Im still gettings that "image-on-top-another" thing thats so annoying.

The model of my tv its the kdl-40m4000 .

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Old 07-11-2009, 06:15 AM   #143
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Thank you. I did it and It sure does help a lot.

But dunno I still feel that my settings are all messed up and Im still gettings that "image-on-top-another" thing thats so annoying.

The model of my tv its the kdl-40m4000 .

Thank your for the help.
Turn off or low all of your advanced settings.

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Noise reduction: High
Black Corrector: High
Gamma: High
Clear White: High
Live Color: High
Light Sensor: Off
After that turn your sharpness down a bit more. see where that gets you.
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Old 07-11-2009, 06:16 AM   #144
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Also, a warm color temp is much more accurate.
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Old 07-11-2009, 04:40 PM   #145
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Here is what I wrote a while ago, but since then I switched away from Cool to Neutral and I fine tuned after purchasing the Spears and Munsil Calibration disc. At the time I posted my settings I did not have a color filter. Now I do an it really helped calibrate Hue and Color Saturation. My approach is to minimize any distortion/artifacts in the picture and to stay as true to the source as possible. My settings may not have the same "pop" as others, but it is pure and true!

Keep in mind that these settings are for my display, in my room with my lighting. One size does not fit all for calibrations! Everyone needs to get a good calibration disc and spend time doing their own. What I am offering my be a good approximation.

I should mention that I don't have cable, so my Cinema setting is strickly for watching BDs (with the occasional DVD).

Text in blue are thoughts that I added just now.

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Like many of you I obsess about getting the perfect picture for the TV I am working with. My 46" Sony XBR4 has been tinkered with often. Recently I downloaded the calibration test patterns found here on AVSforum.com. It was very helpful for setting white and black levels. [Now I have the S&M disc as well.]

Today I tried a comparison with my Custom setting (below), and the settings from Road Warrior (done by a pro) and Onehothemi. I chose these because the 3 settings would be very different. Road Warrior's is set to Warm 2 with a Backlight of 2; Onehothemi's is Neutral with a Backlight of 8; mine is Neutral with a Backlight at Min. The other settings of course vary accordingly.

My 2 cents (after doing some exhaustive comparisons with the Imax sences from The Dark Knight and from i Robot. I put Road Warrior's on my Standard, Onehothemi's on Cinima and mine on Custom):
1) Setting the backlight too high seems to crush the blacks. [I have experimented a lot here and settled on Min. This may surprise some, but if you want to get closer to Plasma black levels, you cannot have BL too high. The highest I would go is 2.]
2) I really am undecided about the general hue that Warm 2 gives. For me it may be too yellowish. (This is purely a personal preference.) [When someone says that Warm, or Warm2 is more accurate, take it with a grain of salt and experiment for yourself. Truely this is a matter of preference.]
3) Sharpness: The calibration pattern really helped me here. [I have is set as high as I can before any artifacts occur.]
4) Noise Reduction should always be off to avoid motion blur/smearing. All 3 settings had this off, but I wanted to emphasize this, since for months I had NR on and was tremendously bothered by the blurring I experienced.
5) Advanced CE set to anything but off caused the black levels in a test pattern (from the AVS disc) to fluctuate too much. This was a surprise to me. [Recently I settled on Low which minimized the fluctuations, but still provided some enhancement.]
6) Edge and Detail Enhancers: I know that some like the pop that they provide, but if you are fussy about picture distortion, then they need to be off. Example: in The Dark Knight when Alfred goes to the underground bunker after not finding Bruce at his penthouse, look at the edge of the pillows, and then look at the chainlink fence in the bottom right. With EE and DE on, the lines distort and waver. This bothers me, so DE and EE must be off. If your eyes can accept this, than the extra pop in the picture may be worth it.
7) Motion Enhancer: for 1080p 24fps I almost always have it off. As with EE and DE, it causes far too much distortion. The exception (I'm not sure why...) is Baraka. With the ME on High, I get little distortion and a "hyper-real" effect. Very cool. [Just recently I am experimenting with Auto 2 and ME on High. From what I have been told, Auto 2 turns off ME for 24fps films. So, now I have the ME on, but only because it doesn't mess up movies. I'm still not sure how ME benefits my 60 fps BDs, like many of my music concerts.]
8) White Balance: for WB I am strickly going off of a recommendation. You need special equipment to calibrate this for yourself. If there is one area of my settings that I am unsure about it is WB. I haven't messed around here at all (but I sure wish I had the equipment to personalize WB).

PICTURE:
Picture Mode: Cinema (I used to have my setting on Custom.)
Backlight: Min
Picture: 86
Brightness: 54
Color: 51
Hue: 0
Color Tempreature: Neurtral
Sharpness: 45
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
DRC Mode: Off
DRC Palette: Off
Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: Low
Gamma: Medium
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off
White Balance:
R-Gain: -1
G-Gain: -5
B-Gain: -1
R-Bias: -2
G-Bias: -4
B-Bias: 3
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off

SCREEN
Wide Mode: Full
Auto Wide: Off
4:3 Default: Off
Display Area: Full Pixel
Screen Position: All Set To : 0

VIDEO OPTIONS
Motion Enhancer: High (Only with Auto2. In Auto1 I had ME off.)
CineMotion: Auto2
Game/Text Mode: Off
Video/Photo Optimizer: Video
Video Color Space (x.v.Color): Auto
Photo Color Space: sYCC
Color Matrix: Auto
RGB Dynamic Range: Auto

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Old 07-11-2009, 05:27 PM   #146
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1) Setting the backlight too high seems to crush the blacks. [I have experimented a lot here and settled on Min. This may surprise some, but if you want to get closer to Plasma black levels, you cannot have BL too high. The highest I would go is 2.]
I used to set my backlight low as well, but after messing with the Black Corrector and setting it on high, it really helps the blacks pop. Then you can set your backlight a little higher like 5 or 6 and enjoy a balanced picture of bright whites, and deep blacks.
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Old 07-11-2009, 08:31 PM   #147
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I used to set my backlight low as well, but after messing with the Black Corrector and setting it on high, it really helps the blacks pop. Then you can set your backlight a little higher like 5 or 6 and enjoy a balanced picture of bright whites, and deep blacks.
I just spent the last hour testing out your suggestion (Backlight on 6 and BC on High) with my calibration discs. I found that blacks were being crushed significantly. The problem with the Black Corrector is that when there are both bright and dark areas on the display I needed to dial up my Brightness control to distinguish between them properly. The effect was interesting. I would have thought that by dialing up the brightness I'd see more detail in dark scenes, and this did happen to an extent. In lighter scenes though, I lost considerable detail in the shaded areas of the scene.

If you have a calibration disc, run through it and you will see the problem with BC. If you don't, find a scene in a movie that has both bright and dark areas and then switch back and forth between a setting with Min BL and BC Off and then BL 6 and BC High.

Thanks for the suggestion, but looking into this confirmed for me once again that to get the most out of BDs often less is more.
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:01 AM   #148
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Does anyone have the exact settings for Sony Bravia KDL46V4000. I tried googling it but couldnt find anything BTW this is possibly the most helpful site EVER. I only joined today and already have learned so much just from reading through posts.
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Old 07-12-2009, 01:02 AM   #149
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Does anyone have the exact settings for Sony Bravia KDL46V4000. I tried googling it but couldnt find anything BTW this is possibly the most helpful site EVER. I only joined today and already have learned so much just from reading through posts.
I'm glad your finding it useful. Remeber, even if someone with your exact model posts, it will be specific to their display in their viewing environment.

Go to this link, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496 and download the free calibration disc. It is a great disc to get you started.

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Old 07-25-2009, 11:17 AM   #150
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owners of SXRD / XBR2 70" & 60" and are unwising going into the service menu....

try these

Irismin - 0
Irismax - 500
I Gain - 100

Gamma - 95 all three colours
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:42 PM   #151
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Hi guys,

Here are my settings for Bravia 46" W3000 (using hdmi ps3 - BD movies 1080p/24, dimmed room). Calibrated using DVE, HCFR and Spyder 2 colorimeter. I am very pleasant with this configuration.

* Cinema Mode *

Backlight: 5
Picture: 87
Brightness: 46
Color: 55
Hue: 0
Temp: Warm 2
Sharpness: 8
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Correction: Off
ADV. CE: Off
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Low
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off

White Balance:
R-Gain: -6
G-Gain: -4
B-Gain: 0
R-Bias: +6
G-Bias: +4
B-Bias: -10

Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off

Power Saver: Low
Light Sensor: Night - On / Day - Off
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:46 PM   #152
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Mine are complicated as I changed Service Menu Settings -- Ask Me Before Attempting If You Are New To The Sony SM -- to get them right. Here is a link to the latest post about them. Follow the file links (in the post I reference below) to get the files with the info if you're interested.

KDL-40XBR4

Here is one of my favorite examples of what we see:


All my best!

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Old 07-28-2009, 07:28 AM   #153
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I'm using an XBR4 in a dark room. I see that a lot of people prefer to turn off their video processing modes, and turn up their base settings. I use the opposite approach: I utilize almost all of the special modes, and compensate by cranking down the corresponding base settings. The main result has been to minimize motion artifacts and maximize cotrast without graying out or "crushing" the blacks, or washing out the bright whites.
These are my settings for the channel I use for my PS3 (I use different settings for my PC):
Mode: custom
backlight: min
picture: 43
brightness: 46
color: 58
hue: 0
color temp: warm1
sharpness: 50
noise reduction: off
black corrector: high
advanced c.e.: high
gamma: medium
clear white: high
color space: wide
live color: high
detail enhancer: high
edge enhancer: high
motion enhancer: high
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:58 PM   #154
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I'm using an XBR4 in a dark room. I see that a lot of people prefer to turn off their video processing modes, and turn up their base settings. I use the opposite approach: I utilize almost all of the special modes, and compensate by cranking down the corresponding base settings. The main result has been to minimize motion artifacts and maximize cotrast without graying out or "crushing" the blacks, or washing out the bright whites.
These are my settings for the channel I use for my PS3 (I use different settings for my PC):
Mode: custom
backlight: min
picture: 43
brightness: 46
color: 58
hue: 0
color temp: warm1
sharpness: 50
noise reduction: off
black corrector: high
advanced c.e.: high
gamma: medium
clear white: high
color space: wide
live color: high
detail enhancer: high
edge enhancer: high
motion enhancer: high
Interesting approach... I'll have to give it a try.
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Old 07-31-2009, 05:55 PM   #155
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BluCheez, I was just wondering what are your settings for "Power saver" and "Light sensor"? They can make a difference. My light sensor is on and my Power saver is set to "Low".

Many of my settings are very close to yours. I am using Cinemotion on "Auto 1" and Motion Enhancer "Standard" (I turn it to "High" once in a while, but not often). I also have Color space on "Wide" and get slightly more saturated colors that way, but haven't checked the difference it would make on a calibration disc.
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BluCheez, I was just wondering what are your settings for "Power saver" and "Light sensor"? They can make a difference. My light sensor is on and my Power saver is set to "Low".

Many of my settings are very close to yours. I am using Cinemotion on "Auto 1" and Motion Enhancer "Standard" (I turn it to "High" once in a while, but not often). I also have Color space on "Wide" and get slightly more saturated colors that way, but haven't checked the difference it would make on a calibration disc.
Blu-bry, my "Power saver" and "Light sensor" are both set to Off. I vaguely recall a strong recommedation to do so, but I can't remember all the reasons. You stated that they can make a difference. What exactly did you mean?

You got me thinking about trying the Color Space to "Wide" again. I've always been trying for the PQ that was the most faithful to the original film, and I recall that "Wide" seemed too saturated. However, I have never tried setting it to Wide and then checking with my calibration disc... Ahhhh, the fun (obsession?) never ends.
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:56 PM   #157
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Blu-bry, my "Power saver" and "Light sensor" are both set to Off. I vaguely recall a strong recommedation to do so, but I can't remember all the reasons. You stated that they can make a difference. What exactly did you mean?
The light sensor seems to only make slight differences depending on your room lighting. If you have some sunlight streaming in it will punch up the picture just a little so it isn't too washed out. I have mine set to "on" but the difference is often hard to detect.

Power saver is another matter. I have mine set to "low" and that is why I asked the question. If I turn it to "off" it seems to be similar to turning up the backlight. Right now my backlight is set to "3", but if I turn the Power Saver to "off" I could probably see a very similar picture with the backlight at "Min". Who knows how much power I'm actually saving anyway.

Thanks for responding and have fun with the infinite amount of tweaking that can be done!
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:11 PM   #158
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Hello Forum...

Wanted to share my settings on my KDS-50A2020 SXRD; for a bit of a background on how I came to them, well, I realized that everyone who owns a Sony display pretty much uses "Custom" picture mode and avoids "Vivid"...however, after much fiddling with the set for years now, I came to the conclusion (well, long ago) that "Standard" mode seems to strike the best balance between the somewhat "dull" appearance of a calibrated "Custom" and the retina-searing "Vivid" and also cuts down on the daunting task of having to tweak all the Advanced parameters in "Custom" such as white balance, detail enhancer, live color, etc. "Standard" seemed to be a better "set it and forget it" type of mode, so I simply calibrated in that mode...

The following settings were arrived at after calibrating with a "DiscWasher" standard DVD setup disc, and then with a DVE HD Basics Blu-ray calibration disc, further confirmed with a THX Optimizer for "final checks." The source is a Panasonic DMP-BD10A Blu-ray player, set to pass 1080p video for DVD as well as Blu-ray Discs, through an Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver, and out to the Sony SXRD...ONLY HDMI connections are being made. HDMI OUT from the player, to HDMI IN of the receiver, then HDMI OUT of the receiver to HDMI IN on the Sony...

Room lighting comes from a torch lamp just to the left and behind the TV a bit, and is always dimmed for film watching.

Picture Mode: Standard
Advanced Iris: Auto 1
Picture: 80
Brightness: 52
Color: 42
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Neutral
Sharpness: 28
Noise Reduction: Low

Please note that my KDS-50A2020 doesn't allow for "advanced settings" in "Standard" picture mode, so these basic settings are all there is...the TV MAY apply some edge enhancement or detail enhancement automatically in this mode, but I am uncertain.

Still, with these settings, there is a bit of "coldness" to the image, due to the Neutral color temp probably, and with most Blu-rays, there is a vicious "yellow push" which makes skintones and sun-lit sequences in films appear very gold and drenched in a yellowish-gold hue.

If anyone could advise on using "Standard" mode, or what I can do to filter some of this yellow push out, I would appreciate it.

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Does anyone have any suggested settings for a Sony KDS-R50XBR1 LCD TV? I am using a Directv HD DVR and a Playstation 3, both with Monster Cable M1000 HDMI Cables. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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I have found what I believe to be the best settings I have seen on my TV. I have a 52" W4100. I used DVE and another Calibration disc to achieve these settings.

Picture Mode: Cinema

Backlight: Minimum is preferred to maintain black levels, but can go higher if you really want (I currently have mine at 1)
Picture: Max
Brightness: 54
Color: 51
Hue: R4
Color Temperature: Warm 1
Sharpness: 1 (at 2 and higher it begins to add artificial sharpness)
Noise Reduction: OFF
MPEG Noise Reduction: OFF

Advanced Settings

Black Corrector OFF
Advanced Contrast Enhancer Low (if you want this off then lower to around 75-80 to keep whites from looking pinkish)
Gamma: OFF
Clear White: High
Live Color: OFF
White Balance: ALL AT ZERO

Other Settings

CineMotion: Auto 2 or OFF I'm not sure....
MotionFlow: Personal Preference (won't work with Game Mode)
Game Mode: ON (if you don't like the way the picture looks turn it off. I think it makes the picture look better, more stable)
Video/Photo optimizer: Video

Screen

Wide Mode: FULL
Auto Wide: ON
4:3 Default: OFF
Display Area: Full Pixel

General Setup
Power Saving: LOW (Improves black levels)
Light Sensor: OFF

I would appreciate feedback on these settings.

Enjoy,
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