HBO's "The Last Of Us" (Season 2)

[jeff BD]

Originally Posted by morphinapg

I still don't understand what you're referring to. Everything feels like it was set up fairly well imo and makes sense. The cliffhanger was fantastic, handled perfectly imo.

Well i disagree and im allowed to just like you’re allowed to feel how u feel. Im not buying the Abby character at all. Some how tougher than the 3 toughest “good guys” we’ve had on the show this far. Its laughable

[Veronica Mars]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

That cliffhanger was laughable

Joke of a comment. No reasonable person would agree.

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

Joke of a comment. Not even fans of both seasons would agree

Season 1 has a problem where it drops in quality after episode 5. Almost like they were rushing through the rest of production, running out of money or something. Significantly less action, less stakes than there should have been. Tommy tells them the road to the University would be filled with infected and raiders and we see literally nothing. Then moments that could be action packed are significantly diminished like the hospital shootout or stuff in the winter section.

Season 2 was consistently good, all the way throughout. The show had one slower episode where they allowed the audience to sort of recover after the brutality of episode 2, but otherwise the stakes remained high throughout, and there was always fantastic action to drive the story forward, while not compromising on the drama and character development. As I said in my comment earlier, there were only two minor nitpicks that I would have changed but otherwise I think the season was almost flawless, whereas I would only say that about the first 5 episodes of season 1.

It ended even better than I expected. I wasn't even thinking about them showing the beginning of Abby's day 1 as a tease, but I absolutely love that. It gives the audience a clear indication that when the show comes back, we aren't going to get an immediate resolution of that cliffhanger. It's going to take some time. Which I think is smart, because you don't want to have audience expectations to be in one place for a year and a half or whatever and have them theorizing and all this about where Season 3 would start when it's going to start different than that. Now audiences know what to expect, so it won't be a massive whiplash when we get there.

[jeff BD]

Originally Posted by Veronica Mars

Joke of a comment. No reasonable person would agree.

Thank god you dont fit that description..

Originally Posted by morphinapg

Season 1 has a problem where it drops in quality after episode 5. Almost like they were rushing through the rest of production, running out of money or something. Significantly less action, less stakes than there should have been. Tommy tells them the road to the University would be filled with infected and raiders and we see literally nothing. Then moments that could be action packed are significantly diminished like the hospital shootout or stuff in the winter section.

Season 2 was consistently good, all the way throughout. The show had one slower episode where they allowed the audience to sort of recover after the brutality of episode 2, but otherwise the stakes remained high throughout, and there was always fantastic action to drive the story forward, while not compromising on the drama and character development. As I said in my comment earlier, there were only two minor nitpicks that I would have changed but otherwise I think the season was almost flawless, whereas I would only say that about the first 5 episodes of season 1.

It ended even better than I expected. I wasn't even thinking about them showing the beginning of Abby's day 1 as a tease, but I absolutely love that. It gives the audience a clear indication that when the show comes back, we aren't going to get an immediate resolution of that cliffhanger. It's going to take some time. Which I think is smart, because you don't want to have audience expectations to be in one place for a year and a half or whatever and have them theorizing and all this about where Season 3 would start when it's going to start different than that. Now audiences know what to expect, so it won't be a massive whiplash when we get there.

Disagree. The writing has been worse and the characters not as interesting as Joel nor has any 2 characters had as good a dynamic as Joel and Ellie. Plus we got 2 less episodes. Making Tommy nothing but canon fodder was also a joke.

[emailking1]

I think you're being a bit harsh. However, I did have some problems with the episode.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

Well i disagree and im allowed to just like you’re allowed to feel how u feel. Im not buying the Abby character at all. Some how tougher than the 3 toughest “good guys” we’ve had on the show this far. Its laughable

What about her gives you the impression that she is tougher? What is the problem with the Abby character? They haven deviated much from her at all besides her physique. She very much has been playing the beats from the game ini the limited time we've seen her

[jtu128]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

Is say episode 2 as well. But yea the drop off in quality is actually impressive. It seems the only ones that say otherwise are fans of the game

I love both games. I watched season 1 before playing the games and watched season 2 after playing both games.

[The Lizard King]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

Thank god you dont fit that description..



Disagree. The writing has been worse and the characters not as interesting as Joel nor has any 2 characters had as good a dynamic as Joel and Ellie. Plus we got 2 less episodes. Making Tommy nothing but canon fodder was also a joke.

*fewer

[jeff BD]

Originally Posted by The Lizard King

*fewer

What a dumb comment. Seriously. Which is ironic since u wanted to come off as smart or a smart ass.

[The Lizard King]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

What a dumb comment. Seriously. Which is ironic since u wanted to come off as smart or a smart ass.

Lighten up, Francis.

It was an effing joke.

[jeff BD]

Originally Posted by Havok83

What about her gives you the impression that she is tougher? What is the problem with the Abby character? They haven deviated much from her at all besides her physique. She very much has been playing the beats from the game ini the limited time we've seen her

She got the better of them. Is she john wick? Joel can take out an entire hospital but lost to her. Tommy can take out Seattles finest but gets bested, off screen at that. And well Jesse who was arguably Jacksons toughest. It just feels convenient just to stay true to the game. I know im exaggerating a little but thats just how it comes across. I just cant buy Abby as this badass. And thats just some of my nitpicks of the season so far after how great season 1 was.

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

She got the better of them. Is she john wick? Joel can take out an entire hospital but lost to her. Tommy can take out Seattles finest but gets bested, off screen at that. And well Jesse who was arguably Jacksons toughest. It just feels convenient just to stay true to the game. I know im exaggerating a little but thats just how it comes across. I just cant buy Abby as this badass. And thats just some of my nitpicks of the season so far after how great season 1 was.

She's tactical. She took them by surprise, not by force.

[emailking1]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

She got the better of them. Is she john wick? Joel can take out an entire hospital but lost to her. Tommy can take out Seattles finest but gets bested, off screen at that. And well Jesse who was arguably Jacksons toughest. It just feels convenient just to stay true to the game. I know im exaggerating a little but thats just how it comes across. I just cant buy Abby as this badass. And thats just some of my nitpicks of the season so far after how great season 1 was.

[Show spoiler]You're going to find out eventually exactly what happened there and how she did that and it will make sense. Don't worry.

^ later (game) spoiler

[jeff BD]

Originally Posted by morphinapg

She's tactical. She took them by surprise, not by force.

So are they. Joel i can understand but these 2 im not buying.

[Stanis]

Me and my wife both did not enjoy this as a season ender

[Joey9775]

Man I HATE the Abby section of the game.

Not looking forward to season 3.

[morphinapg]

Originally Posted by Joey9775

Man I HATE the Abby section of the game.

Not looking forward to season 3.

That's unfortunate. It's such a good story.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by jeff BD

She got the better of them. Is she john wick? Joel can take out an entire hospital but lost to her. Tommy can take out Seattles finest but gets bested, off screen at that. And well Jesse who was arguably Jacksons toughest. It just feels convenient just to stay true to the game. I know im exaggerating a little but thats just how it comes across. I just cant buy Abby as this badass. And thats just some of my nitpicks of the season so far after how great season 1 was.

You're completely ignoring the context for the Jol situation. Joel got shot in the leg surrounded by a bunch of strangers. He's no Superman. The second he got shot, it was a wrap for him. Its no different than him getting fatally wounded in the first game/season. He would have died had Ellie no saved him and the difference here is that he diid not have her. And the only reason Joel wound up in that ambush was bc he was escaping a horde of infected. There was nothing about Abby that was threatening prior to that. The scenario presented was very plausible

Again anyone is vulnerable to a gun. They werent in combat. Jesse ran into that bullet and there wasnt much he could do to avoid that. Its actually more believable in the show than game bc Jesse and Tommy arent together when she takes them out.

And part of your argument is that Jesse is on of Jackson's toughest, well the same is true for Abby when it comes to the WLFs. She arguably has more combat training and experience than he. The WLF are a much larger organized militant group that has been at war and before that she was a Firefly. She's no slouch and in the game at least she becomes obsessed with taking on Joel which led

[Show spoiler]to 4-5 years of straight training fo that purpose

Originally Posted by Stanis

Me and my wife both did not enjoy this as a season ender

Was your wife familiar with the story? I can see things feeling choppy and confusing to non-gamers

[Wernski]

Nice conclusion! My favorite episode in a while.

I only really have one issue, which has been a problem before: the convenient coincidences. This time it was

[Show spoiler]the horn sounding the very second they were hanging Ellie. (And also, even if you accept that... if they really through Ellie was a threat who needed to be killed, wouldn't they have at least stuck that scythe through her neck as they ran off?)

Before that, it was

[Show spoiler]Tommy showing up just as Ellie's getting eaten by Walkers.

It's some real "oh, come on!" BS.

But apart from that, no notes! Exciting episode, has me eager for season 3 (a billion years from now).

[MuffinMcFluffin]

First of all, A-frickin-PLUS on production value. Every interior setting, the Seattle backdrops... just fantastic. Much more than I ever expected for television. Rain and night settings help hide some of the computer imagery, and the amount of rain used here was also great production value.

Secondly, as someone who has played the game and expected it to end exactly how it did (I didn't consider Abby's "Day One" to be teased but it was best that they did), I'm not exactly disappointed because it's exactly where I thought it would end. However, I cannot in all good faith expect somebody who didn't play the game or doesn't know the story to be okay with this. They won't get another episode for another two years, and after that they'll have to wait another 4-5 weeks just to see that part get resolved. I expect major dropoff in viewership next season. Some won't warm up to Abby, or gave it just long enough of a leash to not care a couple of years from now.

All this said, man I see Kaitlyn Dever and I keep thinking that's an Ellie. Obviously same with Cailee Spaeny. Bella has moments of good, but not the highs that I think older Ellie could've had from a different actress. Even still, she's our show's Ellie. She is different from the one in the game. I have very much tolerated it, mostly accepted it, and somewhat embraced it. I think there were better choices out there though, one of them standing right opposite her.

Back to the episode, I was happy how it slowed down. I think this show is allowed to stretch itself out more like that, more often. Too many things before this went by so quickly, but this seemed like it took its time.