hd dvd question????

[vick vega]

Why would someone spend a grand on the new hd dvd players when they don't have alot of manufactues support(rca+toshiba), studio support,are a grand, and don't have the ability to play these supposed triple layer 45 gig discs? They have lost all advantages over blu-ray. Price.......no,studio support........no, storage space........no. I mean now that the BDA is getting their act together why would you buy an hd dvd player over a blu-ray player? Can someone answer me besides the "it's the only place to get Universal movies."???????? Blu-ray will probably have triple layer 75 gig discs before hd dvd has triple layer 45 gig discs.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by vick vega

Why would someone spend a grand on the new hd dvd players when they don't have alot of manufactues support(rca+toshiba), studio support,are a grand, and don't have the ability to play these supposed triple layer 45 gig discs? They have lost all advantages over blu-ray. Price.......no,studio support........no, storage space........no. I mean now that the BDA is getting their act together why would you buy an hd dvd player over a blu-ray player? Can someone answer me besides the "it's the only place to get Universal movies."???????? Blu-ray will probably have triple layer 75 gig discs before hd dvd has triple layer 45 gig discs.

The person that would purchase the Toshiba HD-XA2 for $999 is the person that wants.

1. HDMI 1.3 and 1080p output for future proofing.
2. Improved 12-bit Digital to Analog converters for video with 4x oversampling
3. Bi-directional RS-232 port for linking to a Crestron/AMX/yaddayadda controller.
4. Analog hirez multichannel out
5. Better looking casing

Who cares about mythical 45GB discs or 200GB discs. We shouold be looking at what we have now and clearly 30GB or 50GB. If the features listed above are overkill then people will be happy with the $499 HD-A2. HD DVD hasn't lost any advantages.

Storage space- 60GB per disc with DS Dual-Layer discs.

Studio Support- They don't have 7 of 8 but they have more movies and better quality movies available today. However signs point to these evening up a bit next year.

Price- While the PS3 is coming HD DVD has two options for $499 players. Xbox360 with add on and a dedicated player in the A2. Blu-Ray has one which will prove difficult to get initially.

Triple layer 75GB...come on man you guys just got BD50...don't press your luck the BDA was WAY behind in completing their spec. Where's your BD-Java movies.....oh I forgot..they don't exist yet.

contrast that to HD DVD

Dual-Layer 30GB movies shipped from launch.
HDi interactivity was ready at launch and has improved with Constantine, Troy and now Tokyo Drift.

A $1300 Panasonic Blu-Ray player doesn't even support lossless codecs like TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. Even a "lowly" $499 1st generation HD DVD player supports 5.1 TrueHD.

Vic....when in glass houses..try not to throw rocks.

[vick vega]

Fair enough, I'll get the 360 add on if things aren't looking good for blu-ray in 6 months since I already dropped a "g" on the bdp-s1. I don't think the dual side thing will catch on as I remember hating that on regular dvd. I think the bda, with the exception of samsung is taking it's time to launch because they know they have 1 shot at it to get it right to prove it's worth the money for the storage space, the studio support, and the extra features. I just hope they can. It's the BDA's game to lose.

same old hd dvd fan boy talking points to me

[PurpleAardvark]

You know what after my last post with this guy, I regret what I wrote in reply. NYG if you could please remove it, fankly getting worked up by HD fanboys AVS style the is not really worth it and I should think be for I type.

hmurchison I would take your own advise about throwing rocks in a glass house. Most these people are happy with their BD players and you are on a BD site talking down BD. BD does support those codecs plus, just need to have a firmware update if they chose to use it. They also have a 7.1 analog player.
Both sides have their advatages one more than the other but that is niether here nor there. As popularity grows on either side the prices will drop. PS2 was what $349 when it can out and now it is $150. DVD was $800 now you can pick one up for $35. Price really isn't a factor in the big scheme of things. People had the same arguments about Beta vs. VHS, DVIK vs. DVD and now HD vs. BD. Support, room to improve, use out side of movies, storage space and the porno industry are always the key factor.


Viki they answer lies with in the episode of last weeks south park. The one about the Hardy boys, dukie in the urinal and the 911 consperacy.

[vick vega]

While the song is playing nine eleven,nine eleven,nine eleven.

Mr.Macky mmmmkay now who went #2 in the urinal

[AV_Integrated]

The reason to buy HD-DVD is the same reason that has always been there. The product itself offers many qualities to people that are under the impression that HD-DVD has the legs to exist beyond the next year or so.

HD-DVD players, while not necessarily bug-free, do tend to offer a great deal of value for the money. You get a good deal with them and that is worth quite a bit to many people. Now, when HD-DVD hits the street at a grand for the HDMI 1.3 player, I personally feel that they are showing that 1080p capability really requires a 1 grand player.

Right now, for those who want the best, for the least money, and the most high quality titles, HD-DVD is the way to go. Even if that format won't be around in two years, many people don't care enough to do their homework on those matters.

Others will buy it AND buy Blu-ray because they can afford to.

Heck, I would buy both if my pockets were deep. HD-DVD has some great looking titles out and will have more on the way. But, I think Blu-ray will go much further and so my actual money will be on them.

[Dave]

I think that buying hd dvd player is waste of money.
HD DVD may have 1-2% lead now, but i would invest only in future proof thing like Blu-Ray cos i am short on money and dont buy cheap things that will need replacment/upgrade in a blink time.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by kevinca1

same old hd dvd fan boy talking points to me

Hd-dvd is a waste of space just like beta no large storage space

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by Dave

I think that buying hd dvd player is waste of money.
HD DVD may have 1-2% lead now, but i would invest only in future proof thing like Blu-Ray cos i am short on money and dont buy cheap things that will need replacment/upgrade in a blink time.

look at the add on in xbox 360 how much more add ons do hd-dvd people want?

[GTP]

I just got fed up with my second hd dvd player and brought it back to Wally World for the 500.00 credit today.....so now they have all three players they originally received and have officially sold zero at this location.

It was much better than the original bug infested HD-A1 I brought back in June....but as of late...it had been getting hdmi errors far too often, and far too many brand new hd dvd movies were freezing out of the box on the very first playback.
It also would sometimes just flash loading for what seemed like minutes, and seemed to be getting progressivily worse the last couple of months.

My HD-a1 also had analog hum, static popping through your speakers when certain functions were pushed, blank screen instead of a picture, player lock up, movie lockup and/or lip sync issues, and it was louder than the RCA with a pos remote.

Now I have 18 hd dvd movies with nothing to play them on, and I am considering either trying a Toshiba re-furb ( hoping its much less buggy)....or selling all non Universal titles and re-buying them on BD....and wait for a much better player for hd dvd.

At this point, I have a hard time believing that anyone has a problem free hd dvd player.....and can say without a doubt that even D-vhs was far less buggy than hd dvd to this point.

[vick vega]

not to help hd dvd, but I got those freezes up with my dvd player because I had it pretty close to my reciever and it was over heating once I put a divider between the two and took the glass doors off the stand it was fine.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by GTP

I just got fed up with my second hd dvd player and brought it back to Wally World for the 500.00 credit today.....so now they have all three players they originally received and have officially sold zero at this location.

I'm on my fourth player and this one is much better than the others but still has audio dropouts on every third or fourth disc that I play on it.

Now I have 18 hd dvd movies with nothing to play them on, and I am considering either trying a Toshiba re-furb ( hoping its much less buggy)....or selling all non Universal titles and re-buying them on BD....and wait for a much better player for hd dvd.

I too am waiting for a better HD DVD player though it seems like such a thing will never come. I think it'd be wise to replace the non Universal titles with their BD counterparts.

At this point, I have a hard time believing that anyone has a problem free hd dvd player.

I've been saying that since May. There was a poll at AVS where someone asked if your player had any glitches and one of the choices was "never" well numerous people that voted for that admitted in the thread that they did in fact have at least one glitch. The lengths to which some of those fanboys will go to pretend HD DVD is perfect is incredible.

[PurpleAardvark]

Originally Posted by GTP

I just got fed up with my second hd dvd player and brought it back to Wally World for the 500.00 credit today.....so now they have all three players they originally received and have officially sold zero at this location.

It was much better than the original bug infested HD-A1 I brought back in June....but as of late...it had been getting hdmi errors far too often, and far too many brand new hd dvd movies were freezing out of the box on the very first playback.
It also would sometimes just flash loading for what seemed like minutes, and seemed to be getting progressivily worse the last couple of months.

My HD-a1 also had analog hum, static popping through your speakers when certain functions were pushed, blank screen instead of a picture, player lock up, movie lockup and/or lip sync issues, and it was louder than the RCA with a pos remote.

Now I have 18 hd dvd movies with nothing to play them on, and I am considering either trying a Toshiba re-furb ( hoping its much less buggy)....or selling all non Universal titles and re-buying them on BD....and wait for a much better player for hd dvd.

At this point, I have a hard time believing that anyone has a problem free hd dvd player.....and can say without a doubt that even D-vhs was far less buggy than hd dvd to this point.

Hey I know how that goes. However at least we can say we gave HD DVD a fair shot. I had 3 HD A1's with simaliar defect. The thing with toshiba is if you get one that works as far as their players it is going to be great. However you get one that has a defect and you are up the creek.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by nyg

I'm on my fourth player and this one is much better than the others but still has audio dropouts on every third or fourth disc that I play on it.



I too am waiting for a better HD DVD player though it seems like such a thing will never come. I think it'd be wise to replace the non Universal titles with their BD counterparts.



I've been saying that since May. There was a poll at AVS where someone asked if your player had any glitches and one of the choices was "never" well numerous people that voted for that admitted in the thread that they did in fact have at least one glitch. The lengths to which some of those fanboys will go to pretend HD DVD is perfect is incredible.

It got to the point that saying anything perceived as anti hd dvd over there was pointless....and the mods should have stopped at least some of the madness over there imo.... early on.

The Samsung return poll was even more overrun with hd dvd zealots going unchecked than the HD-A1 problem poll.

I returned my Samsung because I seem to have the only display on the planet that doesn't sync with it via hdmi (Optoma H-78 dc3)...and never voted in that poll because it had already been trolled to death with most returned votes coming from people who never even bought one.

Even so.... it was a much better functioning player than either of my hd dvd players so far.

[ay221]

Second generation hd-dvd player (the $500 one) is coming out late this month supposedly. Will be interesting to find out if it will be bug free or not.

[hmurchison]

Well here's hoping that the A2 is a vastly superior playback device.

Glitches suck.