Wow! Troy's bitrate only 3.3Mbps in some sections (pics)

[Rup_Muk]

Originally Posted by buckshot

I was slightly annoyed by the picture at some times and checked the bitrats to see if that might be the cause. I never saw it get that low but there were planty of scenes that if they were avc encodes would be in the 30s. but since they were vc1 they were in the teens. its more than just a technical spec, the more you watch hd movies with different compression encoding, the more you see how bitrates make a difference.

does hd dvd only use vc1? that would explain why they badmouth mpeg2 and avc. because they've never been able to watch casino royale or black hawk down then troy to see how much more detail there is with the higher bitrates.

Buckshot,
I agree completely. Only when I "see" a detriment in the PQ do I turn on the bitrate meter. Unfortunately, with Troy I had to do so much too often. I did not see the 3.3 Mbps, but sequences with 10 - 12 Mbps were quite disappointing. On the flip side, the entire fight sequence outside the walls of Troy was outstanding - and the bitrate meter read in the mid-20's!!

I posted these comments in my review of the movie as well.

Rup.

[oscar_in_fw]

Originally Posted by Rup_Muk

Buckshot,
I agree completely. Only when I "see" a detriment in the PQ do I turn on the bitrate meter. Unfortunately, with Troy I had to do so much too often. I did not see the 3.3 Mbps, but sequences with 10 - 12 Mbps were quite disappointing. On the flip side, the entire fight sequence outside the walls of Troy was outstanding - and the bitrate meter read in the mid-20's!!

I posted these comments in my review of the movie as well.

Rup.

Whaddaya know ? There may actually be a few people who saw
"Troy" the way I saw it; uneven, even disappointing PQ. How come a seemingly vast majority folks thought this was a great transfer of an long movie (and with lossless audio) indicative and "proof" (?) of why 30G/30Mbps is "good enough" ? And the reviewers rate this 4/4.5 out of 5 or 9/10 (or I'm reading the wrong reviews) ? Is this movie really that good compared to most other movies ?

[krinkle]

Originally Posted by oscar_in_fw

Whaddaya know ? There may actually be a few people who saw
"Troy" the way I saw it; uneven, even disappointing PQ. How come a seemingly vast majority folks thought this was a great transfer of an long movie (and with lossless audio) indicative and "proof" (?) of why 30G/30Mbps is "good enough" ? And the reviewers rate this 4/4.5 out of 5 or 9/10 (or I'm reading the wrong reviews) ? Is this movie really that good compared to most other movies ?

No definitely not. This one was very mixed as my screenshots show.

IMO its Tier 2 in PQ overall, but a few scenes are close to tier 0.

[ra1024]

I was very disappointed with this title after reading numerous posts about how it had PQ comparable to CR and POTC. I couldn't believe everyone was getting excited about an encode that was soft in most scenes.

I can only figure they got caught up in the colorful cinematography and overlooked the lack of detail.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by ra1024

I was very disappointed with this title after reading numerous posts about how it had PQ comparable to CR and POTC. I couldn't believe everyone was getting excited about an encode that was soft in most scenes.

I can only figure they got caught up in the colorful cinematography and overlooked the lack of detail.

Huh? CR and POTC were great transfers, I'm afraid I'm not following you.

[MrVorhees]

AHH i forgot one thing.

Those who think Troy has absolutely stunning PQ, why you guys want Blu-ray to win? If you think HD DVD's PQ is great enough, then you shouldnt care less about who wins

and PLEASE dont cry for "AVC high bitrates video or 50GB space", you guys just DONT need it

[ra1024]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Huh? CR and POTC were great transfers, I'm afraid I'm not following you.

Yes they were and I can't understand why people compared the very soft Troy to these great encodes. Troy was at least 1 tier level below them and in no way deserving of 5/5 or 10/10 PQ ratings I saw people suggest.

[dobyblue]

The first picture does look very DVD'ish, no detail at all - you notice it a lot in the hair.

[krinkle]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

The first picture does look very DVD'ish, no detail at all - you notice it a lot in the hair.

Hi doby.


3.3Mbps is actually very close to a DVD bitrate, so it is not surprising.

[Neo65]

There are better ways than a digital camera to study each video segment, but there's a legal glitch............