Why is it the Pioneer BDP-23fd gets no love, but the Oppo and PS3 get mad RESPECT!

[thevig]

My use of a player will be strictly for DVD's and it will be used with a Pio Elite Receiver. The biggest thing for me is picture quality. Given the recent price reductions for the 23fD, now its over a $100 less than Oppo, is there that big of a difference a picture quality between Oppo and the 23fd.

[Blove23]

Originally Posted by thevig

My use of a player will be strictly for DVD's and it will be used with a Pio Elite Receiver. The biggest thing for me is picture quality. Given the recent price reductions for the 23fD, now its over a $100 less than Oppo, is there that big of a difference a picture quality between Oppo and the 23fd.

I can not speak for the Oppo because I have never seen one, nor can I speak on it. The Pioneer BDP-23fd has excellent PQ and AQ. The one nice thing about the Pioneer BDP-23fd is the synergy that it has with other Pioneer equipment.

You could also try both out and return the one you do not like...

[SeanMF]

Originally Posted by Blove23

I can not speak for the Oppo because I have never seen one, nor can I speak on it. The Pioneer BDP-23fd has excellent PQ and AQ. The one nice thing about the Pioneer BDP-23fd is the synergy that it has with other Pioneer equipment.

You could also try both out and return the one you do not like...

+1. The synergy factor with pioneer equipment is nice...pqls even. Idk how the pq can be better with the oppo...can only be a very slight improvement if you can notice a difference. Especially not enough to justify the price difference. If DVD-a and sacd are a big deal then get the oppo. If not I'd go with the 23fd...especially if you have other pioneer gear.

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by seanfarley2

+1. The synergy factor with pioneer equipment is nice...pqls even. Idk how the pq can be better with the oppo...can only be a very slight improvement if you can notice a difference. Especially not enough to justify the price difference. If DVD-a and sacd are a big deal then get the oppo. If not I'd go with the 23fd...especially if you have other pioneer gear.

PQLS is a nice feature but only if you are sensitive to jitter. I've tested PCM over HDMI from the Denon 3800, Oppo BDP83, and PS3 60gb to a Pioneer 84 AVR with no audio deterioration due to jitter. If you are bitstreaming to a PQLS-enabled AVR, then jitter is a non-issue anyway. The irony of it all is now that the PQLS technology has trickled down to HDMI for both stereo and multichannel (I have it using iLink over a Pioneer DV59AVi), the people with the modern devices to use it most likely don't even need it. PQLS over HDMI then becomes more of a gimmick than anything else.

[SeanMF]

Originally Posted by EWL5

PQLS is a nice feature but only if you are sensitive to jitter. I've tested PCM over HDMI from the Denon 3800, Oppo BDP83, and PS3 60gb to a Pioneer 84 AVR with no audio deterioration due to jitter. If you are bitstreaming to a PQLS-enabled AVR, then jitter is a non-issue anyway. The irony of it all is now that the PQLS technology has trickled down to HDMI for both stereo and multichannel (I have it using iLink over a Pioneer DV59AVi), the people with the modern devices to use it most likely don't even need it. PQLS over HDMI then becomes more of a gimmick than anything else.

Agree. A lot of stuff is gimicky. Companies need to differ themselves from others. Pqls is a nice feature but isn't relevent in my setup.

[HDTV1080P]

When and if Pioneer starts making better BLU-RAY players with features that are found on the OPPO BDP-83 and Panasonic DMP-BD80 I would be interested in Pioneer again (Pioneer A/V receivers and plasma screens are the best. I hope their future BLU-RAY players would improve). It would be ideal if Pioneer BLU-RAY players in the future all offered 1080P/24 DVD upconversion for DVD's which the OPPO and current Panasonic models already do. Pioneer BLU-RAY players just do 1080p/60 upconversion for DVD according to all the reviews I have read. Also the Pioneer BLU-RAY players have slow load times and navigation. I would also like to see Pioneer develop one high-end BLU-RAY player that has SACD and DVD-Audio playback capability.

The Pioneer BLU-RAY players have excellent video processors and every Pioneer BLU-RAY player every made including first generation models output 1080p/24 for BLU-RAY discs. I was tempted to purchase the BDP-09FD but ended up with the OPPO BDP-83 instead. The Pioneer BDP-09FD is awesome player with 48-bit Deep color support . The 4GB of built in memory for BD-LIVE is ideal accept for the fact external memory can not be added in the future to that model. The two HDMI outputs are a nice feature. The build quality of the BDP-09FD is the best of the best.

Pioneer could make near perfect #1 BLU-RAY players if they just added the following features to new models in the future:


1. Faster load times and navigation to match or beat the fastest players on the market. Having a 1GB networking jack like the PS3 would also be ideal.

2. Reverse 3:2 pulldown for DVD playback so that 1080p/24 upconversion can be done just like the OPPO and Panasonic.

3. DVD-audio and Super Audio CD support for some higher-end models.

[ryan4blu]

so which one is a better player?? i was considering on buying the pioneer elite 23 model until i ready this thread. now it seems the oppo is a kick a$$ player and nothing competes to it??

any thoughts?

[Blove23]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

When and if Pioneer starts making better BLU-RAY players with features that are found on the OPPO BDP-83 and Panasonic DMP-BD80 I would be interested in Pioneer again (Pioneer A/V receivers and plasma screens are the best. I hope their future BLU-RAY players would improve). It would be ideal if Pioneer BLU-RAY players in the future all offered 1080P/24 DVD upconversion for DVD's which the OPPO and current Panasonic models already do. Pioneer BLU-RAY players just do 1080p/60 upconversion for DVD according to all the reviews I have read. Also the Pioneer BLU-RAY players have slow load times and navigation. I would also like to see Pioneer develop one high-end BLU-RAY player that has SACD and DVD-Audio playback capability.

The Pioneer BLU-RAY players have excellent video processors and every Pioneer BLU-RAY player every made including first generation models output 1080p/24 for BLU-RAY discs. I was tempted to purchase the BDP-09FD but ended up with the OPPO BDP-83 instead. The Pioneer BDP-09FD is awesome player with 48-bit Deep color support . The 4GB of built in memory for BD-LIVE is ideal accept for the fact external memory can not be added in the future to that model. The two HDMI outputs are a nice feature. The build quality of the BDP-09FD is the best of the best.

Pioneer could make near perfect #1 BLU-RAY players if they just added the following features to new models in the future:


1. Faster load times and navigation to match or beat the fastest players on the market. Having a 1GB networking jack like the PS3 would also be ideal.

2. Reverse 3:2 pulldown for DVD playback so that 1080p/24 upconversion can be done just like the OPPO and Panasonic.

3. DVD-audio and Super Audio CD support for some higher-end models.

Your blu-ray discs are the only ones that do 1080p/ 24 frames depending on the movie!