Fox and BD+ - Blu-ray Forum

eat_me_cool · 10-02-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shadblz

I know that it requires to be online and check the disc. could that be contributing to the length of loading time?

BD+ does NOT check online - most standalone players don't have Ethernet access so how could they?.

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eat_me_cool

BD+ does NOT check online - most standalone players don't have Ethernet access so how could they?.

I know as I told another member that i am not sure. i have to research or find out from you guys, how BD+ works.

ClaytonMG · 10-02-2007, 04:10 PM

The load time on the PS3 is not nearly as bad as the load times on the BDP-S1... holy crap, that takes a while. I think Waiting had the worst load time though (I haven't tested these new Fox discs yet). But I think there's going to be a load time no matter what. I can't imagine these Java titles loading as fast as a DVD, it's just too much information.

lokus · 10-02-2007, 04:11 PM

I would like to see a whitepaper on BD+ and how it works. Is any detailed information available on BD+? I found a presentation from 2006 on BD+ but since I'm at work I don't recall if it had any specific details on BD+ functionality.

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

The load time on the PS3 is not nearly as bad as the load times on the BDP-S1... holy crap, that takes a while. I think Waiting had the worst load time though (I haven't tested these new Fox discs yet). But I think there's going to be a load time no matter what. I can't imagine these Java titles loading as fast as a DVD, it's just too much information.

how long does it take your player to load the disc?

TigerShark · 10-02-2007, 05:15 PM

I hope Sony releases an update for the PS3; the CELL should be able to handle the BD+ without being slowed down.

jccca · 10-02-2007, 05:15 PM

Having to go online mandatorily goes against everything that has been always done! Specially considering that some players don't even HAVE a way of connecting to the internet

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerShark

I hope Sony releases an update for the PS3; the CELL should be able to handle the BD+ without being slowed down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jccca

Having to go online mandatorily goes against everything that has been always done! Specially considering that some players don't even HAVE a way of connecting to the internet

i sent an email to sony, to see if they are working on a solution for that. i will let you guys know if they reply.

and yes that was my fault, i always thought that BD+ requires internet connection in order to play. but then again, here i am learning a new fact from you guys.

thanks.

shatta · 10-03-2007, 05:12 PM

I'll be buyin the DAT today...i treid target walmar bestbuy ..and none of them had it

MacDaddyOJack · 10-03-2007, 05:48 PM

I was wondering if anyone with one of the new Samsung BD-P1400's has tried any BD+ titles? If you have, any problems???

Lord_Stewie · 10-03-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddyOJack

I was wondering if anyone with one of the new Samsung BD-P1400's has tried any BD+ titles? If you have, any problems???

i read a post yesterday with one of the members having a problem playing the film. i will search it and link so you can read about it.

Alex Pallas · 10-04-2007, 08:03 PM

lol, AIDS ridden movies. pirates get a better product than paying customers.

WickyWoo · 10-04-2007, 08:26 PM

There's a million ways to fake it

And considering we don't even know for sure FF2/DAT have BD+, it's confirmed that it was a standard BD-J issue

kaliraver · 10-02-2007, 04:16 PM

I got this info from wikipedia but it doesn't mention anything about it going online for verification.

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BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs. Such programs can:[16]

* examine the host environment, to see if the player has been tampered with. Every licensed playback device manufacturer must provide the BD+ licensing authority with memory footprints that identify their devices.
* verify that the player's keys have not been changed.
* execute native code, possibly to patch an otherwise insecure system.
* transform the audio and video output. Parts of the content will not be viewable without letting the BD+-program unscramble it.

If a playback device manufacturer finds that its devices have been hacked, it can potentially release BD+-code that detects and circumvents the vulnerability. These programs can then be included in all new content releases.

lokus · 10-02-2007, 04:39 PM

For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

w_tanoto · 10-02-2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lokus

For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

thanks for the link. very helpful of you. really got to know this before buying simpsons

ClaytonMG · 10-02-2007, 04:49 PM

I just timed it and it takes about 15 seconds to load. So about the same as any other Java title.

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I just timed it and it takes about 15 seconds to load. So about the same as any other Java title.

not bad. I am wondering does the PS3 have virtual memory, where if you put in lets day after tomorrow the first time it would take longer to load, but anytime you put in the disc afterwards, it wouldn't take as much time as the first.

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaliraver69

I got this info from wikipedia but it doesn't mention anything about it going online for verification.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lokus

For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this:
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

thanks for providing the info. they answered a lot of questions.

Lord_Stewie · 10-02-2007, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badboi

I don't know a lot about BD+ and all the requirements, but are you sure about having to be online (or is this just for PS3 owners)? I have the disc playing in my BDP1000 right now and so far so good, and it's not connected to the internet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eat_me_cool

BD+ does NOT check online - most standalone players don't have Ethernet access so how could they?.

okay guys here is what i found out about BD+. apparently it doesn't need to go online to check according to this link which explains the basic of BD+.

http://www.cryptography.com/technology/spdc/bluray.html

However, compatibility with BD players will be an issue.

so, what i am wondering about the loading issue. what is contributing to it. is it BD+ or BD-J? Will there be an update for the PS3 in the coming future to solve this issue?.

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10-02-2007, 04:10 PM	#3
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:845 Blu-ray collection:2384 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	The load time on the PS3 is not nearly as bad as the load times on the BDP-S1... holy crap, that takes a while. I think Waiting had the worst load time though (I haven't tested these new Fox discs yet). But I think there's going to be a load time no matter what. I can't imagine these Java titles loading as fast as a DVD, it's just too much information.

10-02-2007, 04:11 PM	#4
lokus Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Marlton, NJ Blu-ray collection:72	I would like to see a whitepaper on BD+ and how it works. Is any detailed information available on BD+? I found a presentation from 2006 on BD+ but since I'm at work I don't recall if it had any specific details on BD+ functionality.

10-02-2007, 05:15 PM	#6
TigerShark Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Rockford + Chicago, Illinois Blu-ray reviews:1	I hope Sony releases an update for the PS3; the CELL should be able to handle the BD+ without being slowed down.

10-02-2007, 05:15 PM	#7
jccca Member Member since:Sep 2007	Having to go online mandatorily goes against everything that has been always done! Specially considering that some players don't even HAVE a way of connecting to the internet

10-03-2007, 05:12 PM	#9
shatta Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:New York	I'll be buyin the DAT today...i treid target walmar bestbuy ..and none of them had it

10-03-2007, 05:48 PM	#10
MacDaddyOJack Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Richmond, VA PSNetwork: MacDaddyOJack Trophy Level: 12(4%) Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:71 Blu-ray reviews:23 Trading Score:4	I was wondering if anyone with one of the new Samsung BD-P1400's has tried any BD+ titles? If you have, any problems???

10-04-2007, 08:03 PM	#12
Alex Pallas Active Member Member since:Sep 2005 Location:The Belly Of The Beast (USA)	lol, AIDS ridden movies. pirates get a better product than paying customers.

10-04-2007, 08:26 PM	#13
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	There's a million ways to fake it And considering we don't even know for sure FF2/DAT have BD+, it's confirmed that it was a standard BD-J issue

10-02-2007, 04:39 PM	#15
lokus Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Marlton, NJ Blu-ray collection:72	For any of you that feel like doing some additional reading I found this: http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/vectors/brcp.pdf

10-02-2007, 04:49 PM	#17
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:845 Blu-ray collection:2384 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	I just timed it and it takes about 15 seconds to load. So about the same as any other Java title.

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