How long before you'd "jump ship" to HD DVD?

[Moefiz]

Hey guys, please don't nail me to the cross...I have a question all of us here are bluray supporters and we all agree that blu is the best compare to hddvd also all of us are learning about the new HDM and we spent x amount of dollars on players and movies...How long would it take you to jump ship to the other side if the facts were reverse and was in favor of HDdvd.

I think that the reason people are still holding on to Hddvd is that they have invested too much in a failing format that they just don't want to give up just yet also that they are early adopters since Toshiba hit the market first with there players.
I like movies as we all do here but if I was on the Hd side and week after week I am hering this is goin blu and this movies if coming out on BLU only, it would drive me crazy and then I would be thinking that I made a wrong decision and jump ship while I still can and not invest more money into it like I did with Betamax and Lasedisc.

[jw]

Blu Ray in the format that the PS3 games use, I believe as long as the ps3 still thrives, movies are sold, I think this is a non issue. No need even to ponder on it, probably will never happen

[GreenMotion]

I choose my format (Blu-Ray) and will stick with it!. No jumping ship here!

[Petra_Kalbrain]

This thread poses some interesting questions on the idea of "perspective". For example, if I was on the HD DVD side of this so-called "war" I probably wouldn't have any trouble jumping ship to Blu-ray by the new year. Despite what I would have invested in the format, I would have come to realize that 85%-90% of my prefered material could be found on Blu-ray. It would be a situation that I wouldn't be all too happy about in the first place, but a logical move nonetheless. So, although irritated with having to switch I would still be able to survive with my decision.

On the other hand, and this could be seen as a double standard (but let me explain first), I would not switch from Blu-ray to HD DVD so easily. Having a PS3 I know that my machine, regardless of the winning HDM format for Hollywood entertainment, will be state of the art and functional for the next 10 years. I can still game, cyber-surf, d/load online content (movie trailers, demos, etc), up-convert my 700+ DVDs, and so on (potential PVR in the near future, along with whatever ingenious abilities they come up with). So, in that respect, knowing that I have a virtual home theatre entertainment console instead of just a movie player, it would take the official press release stating that the last Blu-ray print has come off of global production lines to make me buy into HD DVD.

Funny thing is, I won an HD DVD player and can't bring myself to put any money into the format. I only use it to upconvert some DVDs while my PS3 continues to assist in the FOLDING@HOME project.

[ottscay]

Interesting question; I have owned both for about a year (HD DVD longer, actually, although I'm a strong Blu-ray supporter), but I "jumped ship" from HD DVD last December, only buying one movie this year (Batman Begins, used) while I purchased close to 50 Blu-rays this year.

If the situation had been reversed last January, I probably would have not bought very many BD's this year (and possibly only a few HD DVDs until a winner was more clear).

I think you are right that HD DVD supporters (like us) have a lot of money invested, and the ones at AVS clearly have a lot of social acceptance invested in HD DVD, so I don't think they will give it up easily. The Paramount deal certainly gave them enough emotional momentum to not have to see the light through theholiday season (although Transformers having disappointing sales would do a lot to counter their Paramount euphoria).

[clyon]

I can count on one hand the number of hddvd's that I want. That is not worth me spend $300 on a 1080p hddvd player. I got them all on dvd now, anyway.

[slickkeng]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

This thread poses some interesting questions on the idea of "perspective". For example, if I was on the HD DVD side of this so-called "war" I probably wouldn't have any trouble jumping ship to Blu-ray by the new year. Despite what I would have invested in the format, I would have come to realize that 85%-90% of my prefered material could be found on Blu-ray. It would be a situation that I wouldn't be all too happy about in the first place, but a logical move nonetheless. So, although irritated with having to switch I would still be able to survive with my decision.

On the other hand, and this could be seen as a double standard (but let me explain first), I would not switch from Blu-ray to HD DVD so easily. Having a PS3 I know that my machine, regardless of the winning HDM format for Hollywood entertainment, will be state of the art and functional for the next 10 years. I can still game, cyber-surf, d/load online content (movie trailers, demos, etc), up-convert my 700+ DVDs, and so on (potential PVR in the near future, along with whatever ingenious abilities they come up with). So, in that respect, knowing that I have a virtual home theatre entertainment console instead of just a movie player, it would take the official press release stating that the last Blu-ray print has come off of global production lines to make me buy into HD DVD.

Funny thing is, I won an HD DVD player and can't bring myself to put any money into the format. I only use it to upconvert some DVDs while my PS3 continues to assist in the FOLDING@HOME project.

I agree, the PS3 prett much ensures the BD will be around for at least another 10 yrs. I dont believe that HD-DVD group can really win this war. Either the formats co-exist or BD wins.

[CrippyBlunt]

I had no plans to invest my money on this format war, but yet I am a hardcore gamer so I purchased a PS3. Having a PS3 in my living room I thought "Why not use its High Definition capabilities and get some Blu-Ray movies since Blu-Ray playback its already inluded in the hardware?" This is pretty much the reason that drove me to support Blu-Ray. I will not invest and I repeat "INVEST" in another format that has a HUGE chance of failing (I don't need to explain this since we all know why). If Blu-Ray ever fails and it is COMPLETELY out of the market, then at that time I will move to the HD-DVD side. Otherwise I will stick with Blu-Ray till the end.

[richard lichtenfelt]

I know what I wouldn't do and that is to try and convince others to join in my mistake. I wouldn't make up phony arguments and skewed facts to rally support to a dieing cause.

[JaysDomain]

Well we did not quit using our 1st gen Sony betamax until it was basically obsolete from vhs dominating the scene; I am not sure what Sony was thinking with the storage size on betamax, but there is no such problems with blu-ray, quite the opposite.
I expect hd-dvd owners will do the same and back the format to the death, however they will have many more movies to keep their players from becoming obsolete for a long time, so they will probably end up with players for both formats for a long time.
Ebay will be flooded with players making them worthless, but the movies should sell pretty good on ebay.
You are 100% correct about people backing what they invested in, that’s why so many reviews of items suck.
The fact is most people do not want to admit to making a bad purchase, and instead will defend the purchase, especially when proprietary media is involved (which is a whole lot of things these days).
It’s true both ways though, meaning backers of both format, but unlike the betamax/vhs days, Sony has many clear advantages here and a huge backing; blu-ray will win the format war.

BTW, I watched a video on CNN about the format wars, he [the data doctor] is trying to be unbiased, but the facts between the lines are obvious and blu-ray has the lead.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tec...r.saturday.cnn

[SDG]

I accidentaly bought a Blu Ray Player when I got a PS3. I have no reason to turn away from Blu Ray. The Blu Ray medium is here to stay. Will get a Blu Cam Corder when prices get down. Will get Blu Ray drive for my computer when this Computer crashes. As for as your question, I can ansewer it cause my PS3 games will always be on Blu.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by ottscay

Interesting question; I have owned both for about a year (HD DVD longer, actually, although I'm a strong Blu-ray supporter), but I "jumped ship" from HD DVD last December, only buying one movie this year (Batman Begins, used) while I purchased close to 50 Blu-rays this year.

If the situation had been reversed last January, I probably would have not bought very many BD's this year (and possibly only a few HD DVDs until a winner was more clear).

I think you are right that HD DVD supporters (like us) have a lot of money invested, and the ones at AVS clearly have a lot of social acceptance invested in HD DVD, so I don't think they will give it up easily. The Paramount deal certainly gave them enough emotional momentum to not have to see the light through theholiday season (although Transformers having disappointing sales would do a lot to counter their Paramount euphoria).

I think that this post raises an even more important question. Of the however many hundred thousands standalone HD DVD players on the market, how many are still being used as the main playback unit for HD Media?!?!? This would light a fire under the HD DVD camp if they realized that people are systematically leaving them to join "the enemy". We have witnessed a number of people on this very forum stating that they have turned to the Blu side and won't look back. Now, if I was an HD DVD supporter, the constant numbers would make me start to think beyond my immediate surroundings and make start to think about the larger consumer base regarding the decisions that I have made about my own preferred home theatre medium.

[blitz6speed]

You can burn any HD DVD onto a BD-R, you cannot do the opposite. No need for HD DVD here, EVER. Special thanks for Microsoft to helping make HD DVD cracked for the life of the format.

[jamclaur]

If blu-ray said that they were dropping out of the race i'd buy EVERY blu-ray movie that I could find. Then those that I didn't have I would get on dud...

I would use the PS3 to play my blus, since they would always look better than dud.

So I guess technically I wouldn't ever give up blu-ray for dud.

[aristotles]

Anyone who is investing in HD Media should not be in such dire straits that they would feel the need to sell off what they have already purchased.

If, in the unlikely event, HD DVD ended up winning nothing would change for me in the short term. I would still try to source the best versions of movies I wanted to see which would be Blu-ray as long as it was available.

By the same token, HD DVD supporters would have to decide whether they wanted to wait for Universal, Paramount and Dreamworks to issue/reissue currently HD DVD exclusive titles that they had not already purchased.

I'm not expecting HD DVD owner to just re-buy everything in Blu-ray when HD DVD gives up but rather that they would only buy titles that either offered a significantly better picture and sound or were exclusive to Blu-ray.

[Dalese]

Originally Posted by Moefiz

Hey guys, please don't nail me to the cross...I have a question all of us here are bluray supporters and we all agree that blu is the best compare to hddvd also all of us are learning about the new HDM and we spent x amount of dollars on players and movies...

How long would it take you to jump ship to the other side if the facts were reverse and was in favor of HDdvd.

I think that the reason people are still holding on to Hddvd is that they have invested too much in a failing format that they just don't want to give up just yet also that they are early adopters since Toshiba hit the market first with there players.
I like movies as we all do here but if I was on the Hd side and week after week I am hering this is goin blu and this movies if coming out on BLU only, it would drive me crazy and then I would be thinking that I made a wrong decision and jump ship while I still can and not invest more money into it like I did with Betamax and Lasedisc.

For myself as soon as I would have realized I made a wrong choice, I would have stopped buying the movies of that format, start looking for a way to get into the other format as quickly as possible, and apologize to my wife. I can't answer your question as to when I would have come to that decision but if you scan the other boards the answers are there for you.

Everytime a new Blu title is announced (Spiderman 3, Die Hard, Cars, Master & Commander, Pirates 3, Simpsons, Superbad, etc...) you see hints of who the defectors potentially are as they say "I'm getting a PS3 for that", or "Disney needs to go neutral". These are the individuals who went HD-DVD because of cost, free movie deals, and possibly without thinking their original decision all the way through.

They also give away their intentions when they say "I'm waiting for a 2.0 Blu-ray player". These people honestly feel their format choice was correct and as soon as Blu has a player that is "up to specs" to what they have, then they will go blu as well.

The "waiting for a cheap dual format player" group is similar to the 2.0 group, they feel that their not the ones compromising on their commitment but it is the CE manufacturer doing it for them.

And finally there are the die-hard HD-DVD fan boys (or girls) who made their decision for a format. Their whole world is looked at through red-colored glasses. Whether they are just anti-Sony, pro-XBox, on the Microsoft/Toshiba payroll, or just not willing they admit they possibly made a mistake. These individuals would not admit a willingness to go blu until a major-enough event happens that will shake them out of their corner. (When the fake-Warner going blu exclusive thread happened, you could see those on the red side who were in this group.)

As we are on the right side of this, our best line of action is to continue supporting the format we've chosen, educate the masses on the facts behind the formats, be supportive of all those considering to go blu, and be assured that the decision we made is correct.

[Moefiz]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

I think that this post raises an even more important question. Of the however many hundred thousands standalone HD DVD players on the market, how many are still being used as the main playback unit for HD Media?!?!? This would light a fire under the HD DVD camp if they realized that people are systematically leaving them to join "the enemy". We have witnessed a number of people on this very forum stating that they have turned to the Blu side and won't look back. Now, if I was an HD DVD supporter, the constant numbers would make me start to think beyond my immediate surroundings and make start to think about the larger consumer base regarding the decisions that I have made about my own preferred home theatre medium.

Nicely put, you look at the facts and make your decision...Like i said I like movies and would I back someone who has 2 studios in there pocket or 5 and many more from around the world.Paying 40 bucks for a movie that has this and that special feature inside that most people won't use anyway is pointlees why not back somthing that give you a better quality and quantity.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Moefiz

How long would it take you to jump ship to the other side if the facts were reverse and was in favor of HDdvd.

Would anyone already owning one format "jump ship"? More likely they'd use both ships (perhaps one more than the other) until one sank.

[HD DX]

Own both, enjoy both.

[pro-bassoonist]

I am not a gamer, never was, and there is absolutely no chance I would "jump ship".

And that is that!

Pro-B