Halloween (2006) : Rob, stop making movies.

[blu_sharpy]

Originally Posted by drichter33

ton of this is covered in the H2 review thread.

why even put halloween in the title of this thread. why not just call it RZ Bashing or something else as the comments here are clearly not objective, completely missed why he made the films and what he was going for, and just serves to bad mouth him.

yes i like his movies, and yes i too didnt see the point of the rape scene in the directors cut, i liked the theatrical escape that involved him killing Sgt Callahan from Police Academy.

No one is here to completely bad mouth a director. I realise that his versions of Halloween and Halloween II are his interpretations of the story and his own version of the concept but, I disagree with the way he made the films and I think that he took them in the wrong direction. As the director, he is the only one to blame for the films' faults.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by blu_sharpy

No one is here to completely bad mouth a director.

Oh, darn, I'll have to go elsewhere--
Zombie's movies get back to a point I was making in the Remake thread, about the dopey fanboy director who WANTS to remake a movie, regardless of whether he, y'know, has had any experience in knowing how to remake it.

In the first Halloween's case, it was an attempt of Dimension taking two discarded ideas (the "origin" idea and the "Hey, let's give the Devil's Rejects guy a title franchise to play with!" idea), and mashing them together when neither one was able to get into development by themselves.
But when you consider that here is a niche rockstar who spent great amounts of his own money to decorate his own bedroom to recreate Disneyland's Haunted Mansion....Rob, nobody cares that you liked the same classic-overexposed horror movie as a few million other people over the last thirty years.
At least when geek-culture fans put on their own homemade costumes at fan conventions, they do it indoors, so the rest of us don't have to watch. OR pay for it.

[Idioteque...]

I don't have a problem with getting reasons of why a killer kills but there are so many things wrong with this movie. Sure it gave Michael a reason but jeeze what horrible execution.

And then in 2 he's just plain out evil wtf. No explanation of how he's alive.


I think the TCM remake was really well done. The gore was a little too much but that film was really good.

[WyldeMan45]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

I don't have a problem with getting reasons of why a killer kills but there are so many things wrong with this movie. Sure it gave Michael a reason but jeeze what horrible execution.

And then in 2 he's just plain out evil wtf. No explanation of how he's alive.


I think the TCM remake was really well done. The gore was a little too much but that film was really good.

I liked Rob's first Halloween and looked forward to II like crazy, and nearly walked out of the theater halfway through. It was utter garbage, he just randomly killed every woman in the movie as violently as possible, he kills a dog for no damned reason and eats it's heart!?!?! **** you Rob! Oh yeah he also teleports behind trees, ummmmmmmm nooooooooooo

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

I don't have a problem with getting reasons of why a killer kills but there are so many things wrong with this movie. Sure it gave Michael a reason but jeeze what horrible execution.

And then in 2 he's just plain out evil wtf. No explanation of how he's alive.


I think the TCM remake was really well done. The gore was a little too much but that film was really good.

I haven't seen the TCM remake, but from what I've been hearing, it sounds like the best horror remake we have so far.

The original TCM of coarse, cannot be toppled. I say this without even have seen the remake yet (I will, I will!). Watched the original on Blu-ray, and I have no intentions on reliving the experience again...and I say that in a good way...effective.

Going back into the Halloween (2006) discussion:

I also must say, the rape scene was completely unneeded, but I understand that it's Zombie's style going in.

I forgot to mention that Zombie made Michael kill everything in the first one as well. Michael really only aims to kill people of his family and people that get in his way. That really made him a rampant murder in the first, and I think that urges some people the wrong way (me).

I wonder what Carpenter thinks of Zombie's Halloween films? Anyone know?

[WyldeMan45]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

I wonder what Carpenter thinks of Zombie's Halloween films? Anyone know?

I'm sure we wouldn't get his honest thoughts cause of his friendship with Rob, but here's the only quote I could find about his opinion of Rob making Halloween.

"As for Rob Zombie's Halloween remake, he's not involved. "I bailed out of that after a while. But Rob [Zombie] has been a friend of mine for years. He did a song for me way back when [for Escape from LA]. He's a real nice guy. He called me up when they were going to make it and I said, "Just make it your own. Hell. That's the most important thing. Make it yours."

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

I haven't seen the TCM remake, but from what I've been hearing, it sounds like the best horror remake we have so far.

The original TCM of coarse, cannot be toppled. I say this without even have seen the remake yet (I will, I will!). Watched the original on Blu-ray, and I have no intentions on reliving the experience again...and I say that in a good way...effective.

Going back into the Halloween (2006) discussion:

I also must say, the rape scene was completely unneeded, but I understand that it's Zombie's style going in.

I forgot to mention that Zombie made Michael kill everything in the first one as well. Michael really only aims to kill people of his family and people that get in his way. That really made him a rampant murder in the first, and I think that urges some people the wrong way (me).

I wonder what Carpenter thinks of Zombie's Halloween films? Anyone know?

I prefer the remake to the original. The remake's climax was just funner and it leaves a sense of closure (don't want to spoil it but the heroine sorta wins) And the family was a bit more interesting and the lead actress in the first movie was annoying. Biel didn't scream for 20 minutes straight. I was like okay this is boring and gross.

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

I prefer the remake to the original. The remake's climax was just funner and it leaves a sense of closure (don't want to spoil it but the heroine sorta wins) And the family was a bit more interesting and the lead actress in the first movie was annoying. Biel didn't scream for 20 minutes straight. I was like okay this is boring and gross.

Man, the original TCM is one of the most iconic and effective horror movies of all time. Bored was I not or never. One of my good friends has never seen it so I had him over last week for a TCM on Blu-ray viewing. He thought nothing less than "iconic". I told him to imagine watching it "when you're 10"....that movie scars and is an insane discomforting ride ALL way through.

It's funny that we talk about this. I bet you Zombie was/is a huge TCM fan, because I can tell that's the stuff he imitates when he makes movies. Tobe Hooper was/is just able to do it better

And...If you saw what the original chick saw, you'd be screaming your little ass off too for quite some time too!!

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

Man, the original TCM is one of the most iconic and effective horror movies of all time. Bored was I not or never. One of my good friends has never seen it so I had him over last week for a TCM on Blu-ray viewing. He thought nothing less than "iconic". I told him to imagine watching it "when you're 10"....that movie scars and is an insane discomforting ride ALL way through.

It's funny that we talk about this. I bet you Zombie was/is a huge TCM fan, because I can tell that's the stuff he imitates when he makes movies. Tobe Hooper was/is just able to do it better

And...If you saw what the original chick saw, you'd be screaming your little ass off too for quite some time too!!

Yeah it's iconic and set the standards for most movies but I just enjoyed the remake a tad bit more. I liked the score too but without the original TCM we wouldn't have gotten it. As a 10 year old lol definitely, funny thing is my little sister came into the room and watched the ending of the original lol as a 10 year old. she just reminded me the other day when she asked me about it. I was like ****.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

And then in 2 he's just plain out evil wtf. No explanation of how he's alive.

I don't really think that horror movies need in-depth explanations as to why the antagonist is alive in the sequel.

Logan

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I don't really think that horror movies need in-depth explanations as to why the antagonist is alive in the sequel.

Logan

BUT.....

Halloween 1 (2006) set him up to be human, so it requires an explanation.

The original Halloween 2 didn't need to explain this (and it didn't) because at that point, the viewers of the 1978 film were convinced of the "unnatural" boogieman.

[FendersRule]

You're going to be working a hard uphill battle to convince people that Zombie's Meyers has the same amount of humanity displayed as Carpenter's Meyers....a very hard uphill battle.

Nothing in the 1978 or 1981 version shows that he's human. You see a brief glimpse of him as a child and the rest is up to the viewer's interpretation.

Zombie's version did everything it could to put a human in the shell, almost scene by scene by building up a more "humane" side of Meyers. This is a huge fault on everyone's list.

You finish watching the originals thinking "Wow, that is the boogieman...I have no clue who that "person" really is..."

You finish watching Zombie's version thinking "Wow, that's a normal person that has been treated like dirt all his life, and that he has certain feelings for his baby sister".

Just sayin.

[Ator the Invincible]

Re: the title of this thread. No, Rob, don't stop making movies.

IMO, the man is a talented director regardless of what you think of his scripting abilities. I consider The Devil's Rejects to be a modern horror classic. Personally, I've enjoyed every movie he's made so far, even Halloween 2 (Don't get the hatred for that one). Zombie's Myers is supposed to be different than the original. That's the whole point. Otherwise, they could have just kept making sequels. Look at all the various takes on Dracula over the years. It's the same idea here, a different take on Myers. And I appreciate him for it. If I want classic Myers, I'll watch one of the old movies. There's more than enough of them.