Halloween (2006) : Rob, stop making movies.

[Sabotage]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

Well, I blind purchased Halloween (2006) because I'm a big horror fan. I remember seeing this film awhile ago, but I was ready to see it and apply full thought to it this time!

The first hour of the film is dedicated to building up Michael Meyer's back story. Consequently, this also urges him to be a "human", albeit with serious problems. This is where this part falls very very flat. Michael Meyer's background should be left alone, as the audience should be in disbelief as to whether he is human or not. This movie made him out to be a normal human, even with "feelings" (reluctance to kill his baby sister nonsense). Ughh...

After that crummy half was over with, then I started to feel kinda good about the film hearing some John Carpenter music, and seeing some Carpenter scenery redone. I liked this, but that again doesn't turn the rest away from crap. Zombie seems to think the big scares come from the moment that the killing is occurring. What he doesn't know, is that scares come from the tedious, delicate moments before the actual killing. So all you see from here on out is "BOOM, BREAK THROUGH DOOR AND STAB AND KILL", which is absolutely non-suspenseful.

Other cons:

* Redneck White-trash crap that he puts in all of his films. Zombie- this is not "normal" or "gritty" or "realistic". Most people are not redneck whitetrash. I must admit, Michael's father was a prick, and I enjoyed his a-holeness.

* Way too much use of profanity. "F-this, F-that".

* Way too much sexual connotation. I don't want to hear about "cum shots" and that sort of thing, especially when I'm not watching porn. Again, this is Zombie's attempt to make stuff more realistic, but I don't feel it's necessary at all.

* Blood does not equal suspense and terror.

* Bad idea to make Michael Meyer's more human like. From the moment he started carrying Lorie, then it was over. What's up with all these crappy-ass remakes involving the slasher villain taking people into captivity? That's not how it's done at all.

* Poor job building the suspense for absolutely every kill. No one got enough screen-time to even care about their kills anyhow.

* Malcolm McDowel is cool, but he was given strictly Donald Pleasance lines. It made me wish that Donald was saying his lines instead of Malcolm.

Some Pros:

* Carpenter Music

* Good environment for Carpenter shots.

5/10

I like it more than the Friday the 13th Remake trash, but that's not saying much.

I take it I shouldn't see Halloween 2 because of this.

The remake was way better then the original. First off I enjoyed there being a story behind Michael's anger and rage. In the original we're told he picked up a kitchen knife on Halloween and killed his sister. That's it. Zombie took real life situations(bullying, disfunctional family) and turned them into motives for Michael's actions.

And your trying to tell me that the original was the least bit suprising? Please. You saw peoples coming from a mile away. The only thing that was suspenseful about the original is when the music would kick in as Michael was about to kill someone.

And overall there was a complete lack of common sense from everyone in the original Halloween. The biggest was near the end. Try and explain why Lorrie instructs the two kids to run and scream out of the house while she stays behind to cry over the dead bodies of her friends with what she believes to be the dead corpse of Michael Myers. It makes NO SENSE.

Now I'm not going to be a pompous dumbass and say that there weren't any flaws with Zombie's remake. The actress who portrayed Lorrie bugged the hell out of me. I kind of wanted her to die by the end of the movie. The rape scene was also a confusing one. Sure they were drunk and didn't understand the stupidity behind their actions, but still thats the last room I would've done that in.

Rob Zombie made a movie series that was previously unwatchable, tolerable.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Then don't watch his movies. The man has fans. There's no reason why he should stop making movies. Nobody's forcing anybody to watch anything they don't want to.

Jeez nice of you to be rude about it. I am forced to watch his movies and I have a good reason as well (not being sarcastic). So don't assume things before making a statement.

Plus what happened to respecting other's opinion even if you disagree with it. I had an opinion and shared it.

Anyways, no hard feelings from me and hope you feel the same way.

[Blu-ray Fanatic]

The OP has too much time on his hands. I've never liked Zombie's music but his films are decent and not one of the best. His movies are good to watch if you're in the mood for a shallowed storyline and brutal murders.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Then don't watch his movies. The man has fans. There's no reason why he should stop making movies. Nobody's forcing anybody to watch anything they don't want to.

I agree with this comment.

Also, the OP is why I don't blind-buy movies, there's too much risk with something that I may or may not like.

Logan

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

I haven't seen the TCM remake, but from what I've been hearing, it sounds like the best horror remake we have so far.

The original TCM of coarse, cannot be toppled. I say this without even have seen the remake yet (I will, I will!). Watched the original on Blu-ray, and I have no intentions on reliving the experience again...and I say that in a good way...effective.

Going back into the Halloween (2006) discussion:

I also must say, the rape scene was completely unneeded, but I understand that it's Zombie's style going in.

I forgot to mention that Zombie made Michael kill everything in the first one as well. Michael really only aims to kill people of his family and people that get in his way. That really made him a rampant murder in the first, and I think that urges some people the wrong way (me).

I wonder what Carpenter thinks of Zombie's Halloween films? Anyone know?

I prefer the remake to the original. The remake's climax was just funner and it leaves a sense of closure (don't want to spoil it but the heroine sorta wins) And the family was a bit more interesting and the lead actress in the first movie was annoying. Biel didn't scream for 20 minutes straight. I was like okay this is boring and gross.

[jjbsn5192]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Then don't watch his movies. The man has fans. There's no reason why he should stop making movies. Nobody's forcing anybody to watch anything they don't want to.

i would much rather have Zombie making films then making horrible albums like Hellbilly Deluxe 2

[Sabotage]

Originally Posted by jjbsn5192

i would much rather have Zombie making films then making horrible albums like Hellbilly Deluxe 2

What was so bad about Hellbilly Deluxe II? It reminded me of his first solo album, something he had lost in both The Sinister Urge & Educated Horses. The single "What?" is probably one of the best songs he's ever recorded.

[jjbsn5192]

Originally Posted by Sabotage

What was so bad about Hellbilly Deluxe II? It reminded me of his first solo album, something he had lost in both The Sinister Urge & Educated Horses. The single "What?" is probably one of the best songs he's ever recorded.

"What" isnt so bad.. but Sick Bubblegum?

come on

Sinister Urge & Educated Horses were badass albums

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by Sabotage

What was so bad about Hellbilly Deluxe II? It reminded me of his first solo album, something he had lost in both The Sinister Urge & Educated Horses. The single "What?" is probably one of the best songs he's ever recorded.

+1 I agree.

He is a much better singer.

[Sabotage]

Originally Posted by jjbsn5192

"What" isnt so bad.. but Sick Bubblegum?

come on

Sinister Urge & Educated Horses were badass albums

I never said they weren't good albums. In fact Educated Horses takes 1st place, but Hellbilly Deluxe II wasn't by any means terrible.

[Sith]

I have to see him and Korn for my wife this summer....At least Lamb of God
is opening..

[Sabotage]

Originally Posted by Sith

I have to see him and Korn for my wife this summer....At least Lamb of God
is opening..

Have you ever seen videos of his live shows?

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by Sith

I have to see him and Korn for my wife this summer....At least Lamb of God
is opening..

Oh the pain lol.

I'm going to admit one thing, regardless of what you say about how Halloween was a different film it doesn't make up the fact for a poor script and bad acting.

Zombie isn't a talented director or musician. Sure if you like his movies or music fine. We don't care if you do but when he directs beloved franchises and is the man claiming to bring the series back to credibility and effs it up, it doesn't make up for anything.

He plain out sucks the end.

[FendersRule]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

I prefer the remake to the original. The remake's climax was just funner and it leaves a sense of closure (don't want to spoil it but the heroine sorta wins) And the family was a bit more interesting and the lead actress in the first movie was annoying. Biel didn't scream for 20 minutes straight. I was like okay this is boring and gross.

Man, the original TCM is one of the most iconic and effective horror movies of all time. Bored was I not or never. One of my good friends has never seen it so I had him over last week for a TCM on Blu-ray viewing. He thought nothing less than "iconic". I told him to imagine watching it "when you're 10"....that movie scars and is an insane discomforting ride ALL way through.

It's funny that we talk about this. I bet you Zombie was/is a huge TCM fan, because I can tell that's the stuff he imitates when he makes movies. Tobe Hooper was/is just able to do it better

And...If you saw what the original chick saw, you'd be screaming your little ass off too for quite some time too!!

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Sabotage

Have you ever seen videos of his live shows?

I've seen him before at Ozz fest, he's alright live, but he doesn't play enough
old White Zombie...His metal is just a little to mellow for me...

At least I get to see Slayer/Megadeth also this summer, that's more up my alley..

[jjbsn5192]

Originally Posted by Sith

I've seen him before at Ozz fest, he's alright live, but he doesn't play enough
old White Zombie...His metal is just a little to mellow for me...

At least I get to see Slayer/Megadeth also this summer, that's more up my alley..

Zombie was good back in the 80's and early 90's.. but he's changed alot now-days..

[Sabotage]

Originally Posted by Sith

I've seen him before at Ozz fest, he's alright live, but he doesn't play enough
old White Zombie...His metal is just a little to mellow for me...

At least I get to see Slayer/Megadeth also this summer, that's more up my alley..

His live shows are like Alice Cooper's. You will be entertained by the end of the show, I can guarentee. For KoRn however, bring earplugs .

EDIT: In addition, you have John5 on guitar. He always does some cool solo guitar stuff.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Sabotage

His live shows are like Alice Cooper's. You will be entertained by the end of the show, I can guarentee. For KoRn however, bring earplugs .

EDIT: In addition, you have John5 on guitar. He always does some cool solo guitar stuff.

It'll be alright, Lamb of God is just good old speed metal...Then Zombie, followed by copious amounts of beer to tolerate Korn...I expect my wife
will owe me though..

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by FendersRule

Man, the original TCM is one of the most iconic and effective horror movies of all time. Bored was I not or never. One of my good friends has never seen it so I had him over last week for a TCM on Blu-ray viewing. He thought nothing less than "iconic". I told him to imagine watching it "when you're 10"....that movie scars and is an insane discomforting ride ALL way through.

It's funny that we talk about this. I bet you Zombie was/is a huge TCM fan, because I can tell that's the stuff he imitates when he makes movies. Tobe Hooper was/is just able to do it better

And...If you saw what the original chick saw, you'd be screaming your little ass off too for quite some time too!!

Yeah it's iconic and set the standards for most movies but I just enjoyed the remake a tad bit more. I liked the score too but without the original TCM we wouldn't have gotten it. As a 10 year old lol definitely, funny thing is my little sister came into the room and watched the ending of the original lol as a 10 year old. she just reminded me the other day when she asked me about it. I was like ****.

[DaleDark]

I wasn't gonna weigh in on this, but some of these post made my head hurt, so here it goes...

First, I'm a horror fan, and slasher films are my weakness (like sex, even when its bad, its still pretty good). That said, I'm sick to death of the horror remake.

Now, when I see the word MOVIES used in these posts (i.e. RZ's Halloween MOVIES are way better, or the original MOVIES are better....), I can't help but chuckle. Save for the the original Halloween (which, while everyone is certainly entitled to there opinions, is widely considered a classic), arguing over which is better is kinda like arguing who's the smartest person between a group of ppl w/ single digit IQs, no matter who wins, they're all morons. Now, I love slasher movies, but I'd hardly call them good. I view them in the same way others can sit through summer action movies, they're dumb fun. So when I see post arguing about how this or that is stupid/doesn't make sense/etc., etc., it's truly maddening.

Now, should RZ keep making films? Well, by my avatar, I'm sure you can guess where I come down on this. I'll say this, yes he should, but he definitely lost some of his mojo since The Devil's Rejects, and he really needs to stop putting Sheri Moon Zombie in everything he makes (if he had scrapped the 30 mins or so in H2 that she's in, I think it would have been a better film).

Lastly, while I liked the TCM remake, the best remake tag belongs to Dawn of The Dead (but niether are better than the originals, and I've yet to meet anyone born before 1985 who disagrees).