How many of you like grain in movies? - Page 18 - Blu-ray Forum

Suntory_Times · 03-14-2010, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sussudio

Films are shot through a camera, not someone's eyes, that and everything that comes with it is what makes them films (in my opinion)

Plus few films can be truly like looking out a window as they are 2D (unless you can't perceive depth).

Blown 4.3 · 03-14-2010, 03:16 PM

(i didn't read all of this thread)

i DON'T like grain at all ! if its used for an "effect", fine. but if the whole movie is grainy = poor workmanship imo.

SquidPuppet · 03-14-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

It's funny you'd say that, since the crew went out of their way to frame the film as though it WAS shot with a camera.

And add blurred focus and fake grain as well. He missed my point.

zacharysmith · 03-14-2010, 04:41 PM

What I've noticed is that a fine layer of grain can actually make a picture appear "sharper" as opposed to a grain-free image (especially when in motion). I've added a fine layer of moving grain with home videos I've made since my Canon HD camera provides too clean of an image. My Canon HD cam does some sort of internal DNR that I can't stand.

Now, grain that is excessive looks like crap unless it is black and white film.

A good example fot the right amount of grain is Dr. No. I heard the grain was "put" on there by Lowry after they cleaned up the original image.

Dotpattern · 03-14-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Blown 4.3

(i didn't read all of this thread)

i DON'T like grain at all ! if its used for an "effect", fine. but if the whole movie is grainy = poor workmanship imo.

I'd like to know which movies you think are unintentionally grainy as a result of poor workmanship.

dcowboy7 · 03-14-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

And add blurred focus and fake grain as well. He missed my point.

I love these threads cause they can go on forever.

My point is i would be happy if every movie (yes a movie not a film or whatever the stuckup term is) looked like WALL-E or any Pixar movie as opposed to how gladiator or 300 look.

I dont like grain....you do.
I like the cowboys....you dont.

See....endless.

SquidPuppet · 03-14-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dcowboy7

I love these threads cause they can go on forever.

My point is i would be happy if every movie (yes a movie not a film or whatever the stuckup term is) looked like WALL-E or any Pixar movie as opposed to how gladiator or 300 look.

I dont like grain....you do.
I like the cowboys....you dont.

See....endless.

You are right...thanks for keeping it civil.

I am surprised though that you like WALL:E because a lot of the early scenes were very grainy (artificial and intentional) and it really has that rugged look.

Zero_Cool · 03-14-2010, 07:50 PM

Why would I want grain in movies if I am buying movies that are $10+ more to watch them in HD?

Q? · 03-14-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

Why would I want grain in movies if I am buying movies that are $10+ more to watch them in HD?

HD stands for High Definition.

Preserving grain also means that you preserve fine detail, DNR "scrubs" detail and ultimately defeating the purpose of HD.

SquidPuppet · 03-14-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

Why would I want grain in movies if I am buying movies that are $10+ more to watch them in HD?

Grain = HD and detail
Removed grain = Lower definition reduced detail

Yep, its that simple.

SquidPuppet · 03-14-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Q!

HD stands for High Definition.

Preserving grain also means that you preserve fine detail, DNR "scrubs" detail and ultimately defeating the purpose of HD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Grain = HD and detail
Removed grain = Lower definition reduced detail

Yep, its that simple.

^ What we said.

Dotpattern · 03-14-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

Why would I want grain in movies if I am buying movies that are $10+ more to watch them in HD?

The term "HD" is not synonymous with "grain-free." That's like saying why would I want movies in black and white when I paid money for a color tv?

If a movie was shot on film, it has film grain.

STARSCREAM · 03-14-2010, 08:18 PM

I do NOT like grain at all. However, I respect those of you who do and see why you feel that way. As was stated earlier, this topic is one that could on forever. It comes down to personal preference. If the grain in a movie is subtle I can handle it but when there is tons of grain and it makes it look like noise that is what I can't stand.

Zero_Cool · 03-14-2010, 08:20 PM

I would asume hd would have less grain than a dvd in most movies

SquidPuppet · 03-14-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

I would asume hd would have less grain than a dvd in most movies

No. HD will have less compression artifacts.

Q? · 03-14-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

I would asume hd would have less grain than a dvd in most movies

You've got it backwards dude, the added resolution means that you can see more, meaning that grain has always been there, you can't really see that on dvd's because... well it would be in a lower resolution.
HD means you can see much more detail, as a "by-product" of that grain comes out of hiding.

Zero_Cool · 03-14-2010, 08:27 PM

lol i get it just giving you guys a hard time.

Dotpattern · 03-14-2010, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

I would asume hd would have less grain than a dvd in most movies

That is an incorrect assumption. If a movie had film grain when it was shot, HD is not going to lessen that.

Q? · 03-14-2010, 08:29 PM

So what's your real stance on the subject then?

Zero_Cool · 03-14-2010, 08:35 PM

Certain films call for grain. It just depends on the movie really. I watched the Mist the other day and it makes me unhappy then they look in the sky and it looks bad.

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03-14-2010, 03:16 PM	#342
Blown 4.3 Senior Member Member since:Jan 2009 Home Theater Gallery:42 Blu-ray collection:2	(i didn't read all of this thread) i DON'T like grain at all ! if its used for an "effect", fine. but if the whole movie is grainy = poor workmanship imo.

03-14-2010, 04:41 PM	#344
zacharysmith Member Member since:Nov 2008	What I've noticed is that a fine layer of grain can actually make a picture appear "sharper" as opposed to a grain-free image (especially when in motion). I've added a fine layer of moving grain with home videos I've made since my Canon HD camera provides too clean of an image. My Canon HD cam does some sort of internal DNR that I can't stand. Now, grain that is excessive looks like crap unless it is black and white film. A good example fot the right amount of grain is Dr. No. I heard the grain was "put" on there by Lowry after they cleaned up the original image.

03-14-2010, 07:50 PM	#348
Zero_Cool Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2009 Blu-ray collection:426 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:81	Why would I want grain in movies if I am buying movies that are $10+ more to watch them in HD?

03-14-2010, 08:18 PM	#353
STARSCREAM Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Dagobah Blu-ray collection:148 Trading Score:67	I do NOT like grain at all. However, I respect those of you who do and see why you feel that way. As was stated earlier, this topic is one that could on forever. It comes down to personal preference. If the grain in a movie is subtle I can handle it but when there is tons of grain and it makes it look like noise that is what I can't stand.

03-14-2010, 08:20 PM	#354
Zero_Cool Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2009 Blu-ray collection:426 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:81	I would asume hd would have less grain than a dvd in most movies

03-14-2010, 08:27 PM	#357
Zero_Cool Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2009 Blu-ray collection:426 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:81	lol i get it just giving you guys a hard time.

03-14-2010, 08:29 PM	#359
Q? Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Nuuk, Greenland Blu-ray collection:168	So what's your real stance on the subject then?

03-14-2010, 08:35 PM	#360
Zero_Cool Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2009 Blu-ray collection:426 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:81	Certain films call for grain. It just depends on the movie really. I watched the Mist the other day and it makes me unhappy then they look in the sky and it looks bad.

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