Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Q?]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

I hold thedigitalbits' opinion much higher than some faceless stranger called Stinky-Dinkins on some forum on the internet. Ken Brown even came on specifically in an attempt to quell the uninformed rubbish being spouted, stating very clearly that "I'm still in the early stages of my analysis, but DNR isn't a significant factor (if one at all), the image is quite crisp". Why do you seem to ignore such points, in favour of trusting a bunch of screencaps?

You're over-reacting, to the point that I can smell the desperation through my computer screen. Why not just wait and see?

This is what he actually said.

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi all. Thought I'd enter the fray for a moment. I'm currently working on the Blu-ray.com review and thought I'd both confirm and assuage some fears. 'Fellowship' does suffer from DNR and edge enhancement issues, and looks strangely older than it should -- its transfer is fairly inconsistent and almost seems unstable at times. 'Two Towers' is much better, and certainly sharper when it comes to fine details, but still has some problems, although mainly in the EE department. However, 'Return of the King' looks much more like all three films should. I'm still in the early stages of my analysis, but DNR isn't a significant factor (if one at all), the image is quite crisp, and I haven't been distracted by any significant EE, non-source inconsistencies, or instabilities. At least not yet

Again, this is just an early assessment -- a full review will be coming soon -- but I thought you might be interested in my initial findings. Thanks as always for posting.

[dborgill]

DEAR BLU-RAY.COM reviewer, (Ken Brown?)

Any quick mention of the audio? The EE audio was lossy audio was even amazing.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Ken Brown even came on specifically in an attempt to quell the uninformed rubbish being spouted, stating very clearly that "I'm still in the early stages of my analysis, but DNR isn't a significant factor (if one at all), the image is quite crisp"

That's actually nothing even similar to what he said, but OK.

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

You're over-reacting, to the point that I can smell the desperation through my computer screen.

Are you sure that isn't BO?

[robertc88]

It isn't the way I'm interpreting/reading what Ken wrote.

FOTR suffers badly, TT is much better but still has problems and ROTK is the best where DNR isn't a significant factor as well as other nasties BUT it he admits it was still early for that one to tell.

I'm not one for percentages personally, two outta three ain't too bad doesn't get me to buy the trilogy after I rent them if that's the case. Time will tell.

Thanks Ken, by the way.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

That's a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

"Reluctant" to put a review up on his own site?

Please.

Maybe it's because it takes time to actually watch 3 very long movies and write reviews for them.

Or maybe you're right and it's the illuminati.

You obviously don't recognize sarcasm. What a surprise. You are beyond tiresome.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

If I may be so bold as to wonder out loud without being tarred and feathered, with all I have read over the last several pages - what are you going to do when you finally rent or buy () the movies? Are you going to sit and analyze the scenes frame by frame to see if DNR has been applied? How in the hell do you enjoy something like that? And if you did find something, what then - dial 800-NEW-LINE and complain to their receptionist? I wonder what Tolkien would think about this discussion if he were alive?

After discussing the changes made to his masterpiece, he would probably shake his head and mutter "those silly Americans".

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I won't buy them now, but when I rent them I'll watch them and, yeah, probably be pretty disappointed that they (Fellowship in particular) look so generally poor. I love these movies, I was hoping for something great.

When it's this obvious you don't have to analyze anything "frame by frame" to see what's gone wrong. You can practically watch it on FF and tell it's soft as hell with DNR. If you know what a great transfer looks like, and you have a decent display, spotting a bad transfer takes no effort whatsoever.

Also, I'm printing out WWTD bumper stickers as we speak.

It blows me away that so many people on specialist A/V site like this don't seem fazed in the slightest when one of the biggest franchises of all time gets blatantly lackluster treatment, especially fans of the franchise. You think if anyone would care about this sort of thing it'd be a site like this. It's almost the opposite, it's almost like some people here are offended that people are disappointed (even though the reasons for the disappointment couldn't be clearer.) I don't get it, honestly.

For once I agree. You REALLY don't get it. You are bloviating endlessly as though Western Civilization is coming to an end. You really need to take a pill. And I can't believe that you would even spend money on renting this. You are only supporting the store that bought these travesties. If you are going to be consistent then you shouldn't even rent these.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I guess it's you, me, and Joe. Three against the world!

Make that four.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by dborgill

If this was Wal-Mart.com and we were leaving user reviews on the Blu-Ray set.. it would make more sense but who can so many people on this site be so happy with such mediocrity?

User reviews shouldn't even be left on any site yet, unless someone has actually SEEN them. Anything else is speculation and heresay.

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

That's actually nothing even similar to what he said, but OK.

Its a direct quote from his comment. He recognised that there was SOME DNR in Fellowship, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't appear to be much of an issue.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by dborgill

Blockbuster or other rental chains will purchase copies despite whether I rent it or not. If I actually order it online to buy, I am voting with my dollars. Hoping Redbox will have BluBox ready soon...

Don'y give me that. If nobody rents them then the message will get across.

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by radagast

For once I agree. You REALLY don't get it. You are bloviating endlessly as though Western Civilization is coming to an end. You really need to take a pill. And I can't believe that you would even spend money on renting this. You are only supporting the store that bought these travesties. If you are going to be consistent then you shouldn't even rent these.

Not to mention add to LOTR's rental numbers.

[Chordata]

I'll wait to see a proper review, but those screenshots are very underwhelming.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Because they're three of my favorite films of all time, maybe behind the original Star Wars trilogy, and I want to see how they look and sound on my setup - at least once.

I'm hoping I'm making a difference by not buying it - I had it preordered before. It's a fraction of a fraction of a drop in the bucket I know, but if enough people do it it adds up.

It's not like I'm about to go make a sandwich sign and stand outside of WB central, I'm just disappointed that they botched it and because of it I won't buy it - I'll rent it instead. I'm hoping they fix it. I did the exact same thing with Gladiator.

Apparently this is a revolutionary, outrageous stance.

No you don't need to see how they look and sound, you already have Eric to do that for you. It's an outrageous stance, to be hypocritical enough to say all the things you've said, and then say you are going to rent them. You already know how they look, by the grace of Eric. If nobody rents them or buys them, Warner will really get the message. Otherwise, if people only rent them, like you are planning to do, they may even not fix the TEs or do a good job on the EEs.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I have yet to see any movie, ever, with screens caps that lackluster that somehow magically looked great in motion and I've been doing A/V for longer than I can remember. Those are frames of the movie itself, those are the movie. If those are screens of the movie on BD, and they are, and are representative of the movie, and they are, it just doesn't look all that great.

Then you should NEVER rent them, let alone buy them.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Alf has hijacked the last two pages. They're poisonous.

I read all of his posts in Alf's voice though, so it's not so bad.

[robertc88]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Its a direct quote from his comment. He recognised that there was SOME DNR in Fellowship, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't appear to be much of an issue.

I don't read it that way.

'Fellowship' does suffer from DNR and edge enhancement issues, and looks strangely older than it should -- its transfer is fairly inconsistent and almost seems unstable at times.

He was saying that for ROTK there doesn't appear much of an issue but it was too early in his analysis to be certain.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by 42041

Because screen caps are images taken direct from the video stream, while someone's opinions are someone's opinions
i have full confidence in my eyeballs.

And obviously full trust in someone named Eric.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by radagast

After discussing the changes made to his masterpiece, he would probably shake his head and mutter "those silly Americans".

Wouldn't that be 'silly New Zealanders'?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Its a direct quote from his comment. He recognised that there was SOME DNR in Fellowship, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't appear to be much of an issue.

No, he was talking about RotK there.