Confuse about speakers performance

[Noel198]

Warm, bright, neutral...which speakers are really warm? which speakers are really bright?
I requier from the experienced experts a list with these trees different categories(WARM,BRIGHT,NEUTRAL) i want brands
Thanks

[callas01]

because there are too many speaker brands, and some of them have differnt tones and sonics that would be a huge list, it may be better for you to tell us what your considering and we can tell you if they are bright or warm or neutral. Understand that some speakers can have both sonics, you can have a warm mid-range with a forward or brighter sounding highs, take Kef speakers for instance. Energy C-series like I have are linear with an overall warmth to the highs and mids.

So it is impossible to do that with all speakers..... easy to tell people what you're looking at to give you a description of their sonics. If they are speakers that they have heard.

[Noel198]

Originally Posted by callas01

because there are too many speaker brands, and some of them have differnt tones and sonics that would be a huge list, it may be better for you to tell us what your considering and we can tell you if they are bright or warm or neutral. Understand that some speakers can have both sonics, you can have a warm mid-range with a forward or brighter sounding highs, take Kef speakers for instance. Energy C-series like I have are linear with an overall warmth to the highs and mids.

So it is impossible to do that with all speakers..... easy to tell people what you're looking at to give you a description of their sonics. If they are speakers that they have heard.

...mmm, a top ten of each categorie will be ok, for example i would like to know your personal top ten on each categorie callas

[Noel198]

Originally Posted by callas01

because there are too many speaker brands, and some of them have differnt tones and sonics that would be a huge list, it may be better for you to tell us what your considering and we can tell you if they are bright or warm or neutral. Understand that some speakers can have both sonics, you can have a warm mid-range with a forward or brighter sounding highs, take Kef speakers for instance. Energy C-series like I have are linear with an overall warmth to the highs and mids.

So it is impossible to do that with all speakers..... easy to tell people what you're looking at to give you a description of their sonics. If they are speakers that they have heard.

I know KEF is warm, Enregy too, Klicshp is bright, but for example PARADIGM could be neutral?...what about POLK?

[jomari]

it kinda puts callas01 on the spot on his preferences. ive auditioned my share of speakers as well, but since these are MY ears, i hear different. our sonic preferences would mostly fit our wants, but may not be towards your inclination. have you tried auditioning a couple of speakers as well? if so, what brands and what would be your general opinion of them?

[jomari]

Originally Posted by Noel198

I know KEF is warm, Enregy too, Klicshp is bright, but for example PARADIGM could be neutral?...what about POLK?

perfect example of what i was trying to relay in my previous post, i actually find KEF's a bit on the brighter end. In regards to klipsch, depends on the models you choose to listen to. depending on the right model and proper crossovers, you can experience it differently.

Paradigms are heavenly, and regarding polks... well, im sure others can chime in on that account.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Perhaps you could tell us the type of sound you prefer? You must have some idea, no?

John

[Fors*]

IMO, sound is soooo subjective....you would have to really listen to a few manufacturers and find the sound you like. Furthermore, your tastes usually transform or change over time as your ears do as well.

I really liked the Polk sound at first, but then I started to listen to other brands, and found that Polks seemed a bit bright to me as compared to some others. I settled on the sound of Paradigm, as I think they sounded more laid back and provided a better balanced separation of the highs, mids and lows than the Polks were doing.

Of course, you have to keep in mind that certain "lines" have better materials and design structure to them over another 'line" for the same manufacturer. Thus further proves just how many variables there are to consider when determining what your ears like.

[jomari]

good to see john and fosberg in the loop... how y'all been?

i digress,

as mentioned earlier, its a matter of preference, a matter of 'training your ears' to see or to determine what you want, or what you prefer.

plus the fact that some speakers may sound bright or warm, but afterwards might experience fatigue too. a lot of variables, a lot indeed.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Been good jomari! Yourself?

Providing a list isn't going to help the OP much anyway. Like we all agree, you have to go and listen to them.


John

PS~ I'll be back..have to run to the store.

[Hammie]

Also, keep in mind with the amplification being paired with speakers. Some can even say that the speaker wires, interconnects, processor, etc can play into the final sound one may hear.

[Noel198]

Originally Posted by Fors*

IMO, sound is soooo subjective....you would have to really listen to a few manufacturers and find the sound you like. Furthermore, your tastes usually transform or change over time as your ears do as well.

I really liked the Polk sound at first, but then I started to listen to other brands, and found that Polks seemed a bit bright to me as compared to some others. I settled on the sound of Paradigm, as I think they sounded more laid back and provided a better balanced separation of the highs, mids and lows than the Polks were doing.

Of course, you have to keep in mind that certain "lines" have better materials and design structure to them over another 'line" for the same manufacturer. Thus further proves just how many variables there are to consider when determining what your ears like.

I agree with you, sound is so subjective and depends of each personal taste.

Looks like no one dares to place a top list, this issue is very controversial

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Noel198

I agree with you, sound is so subjective and depends of each personal taste.

Looks like no one dares to place a top list, this issue is very controversial

Not at all. Read your first sentence in this post....that is your answer. Go and audition as many speakers as you can.

If you want us to list speakers brands you'll get like 10-20-30 brands.....what purpose does that really serve? I'll give you a hint though...here are some of mine.

Totem
Dali
Dynaudio
JM/Focal Lab
MartinLogan
Quad (yes....beautiful)
Sonus Faber

These are just a few......

John

[Twitch9]

Just want to point out the problems about auditioning speakers to find what sounds best to you, the downfalls are,

the equipment the store uses will almost always be better than what you own or will be using and this will effect how the speakers sound in the store

typically the room you audition the speakers will be treated and sonically better than your room you will be using the speakers in with exceptions of BB/FS and most big box stores they might sound worse and give you a negative impression. There are more reasons but these are main 2.

I understand how important it is to listen for yourself method but it really doesn't hurt to get peoples opinions on the speakers they are using in their homes. If i was the OP i would list the receiver you are using and the speakers you are most interested in owning, this way you might get some members with the same equipment you have and want to purchase to get the best review of how it sounds together and in a more typical listening environment.

Hope this helps the Op find the perfect set of speakers

[callas01]

I will give you my list, but you have to understand that I see a speaker one way, and others will disagree

Bright
Kef, Klipsch, JBL, Polk**, Definitive Tech, Boston Acoustics

Warm Mid-range and Forward highs
PSB, Paradigm, B&W, Martin Logan, Monitor Audio, Def Tech

Warm Mid-range and Laidback highs
Energy, PSB, Tannoy*

Nuetral
Dali, Canton

Neutral and Airy highs
Vienna Acoustics, Dali

**I wouldn't actually call them Bright speakers, at least not compared to what they are being compared too.
*I have not personally heard, but all the people I have talked to said that Energy and Tannoy sound really similar.

Understand that they all don't sound the same either. So classifying this way is based on what I have experienced. Also, some brands are listed more then once, because different lines have different sounds. Many brands have a similar tone, but there are always differences from one line to the next.

[Noel198]

Originally Posted by callas01

I will give you my list, but you have to understand that I see a speaker one way, and others will disagree

Bright
Kef, Klipsch, JBL, Polk**, Definitive Tech, Boston Acoustics

Warm Mid-range and Forward highs
PSB, Paradigm, B&W, Martin Logan, Monitor Audio, Def Tech

Warm Mid-range and Laidback highs
Energy, PSB, Tannoy*

Nuetral
Dali, Canton

Neutral and Airy highs
Vienna Acoustics, Dali

**I wouldn't actually call them Bright speakers, at least not compared to what they are being compared too.
*I have not personally heard, but all the people I have talked to said that Energy and Tannoy sound really similar.

Understand that they all don't sound the same either. So classifying this way is based on what I have experienced. Also, some brands are listed more then once, because different lines have different sounds. Many brands have a similar tone, but there are always differences from one line to the next.

Thanks callas!, that was i looking for(personal list) , i respect all particular experiences and opinions

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by callas01

I will give you my list, but you have to understand that I see a speaker one way, and others will disagree

Bright
Kef, Klipsch, JBL, Polk**, Definitive Tech, Boston Acoustics

Warm Mid-range and Forward highs
PSB, Paradigm, B&W, Martin Logan, Monitor Audio, Def Tech

Warm Mid-range and Laidback highs
Energy, PSB, Tannoy*

Nuetral
Dali, Canton

Neutral and Airy highs
Vienna Acoustics, Dali

**I wouldn't actually call them Bright speakers, at least not compared to what they are being compared too.
*I have not personally heard, but all the people I have talked to said that Energy and Tannoy sound really similar.

Understand that they all don't sound the same either. So classifying this way is based on what I have experienced. Also, some brands are listed more then once, because different lines have different sounds. Many brands have a similar tone, but there are always differences from one line to the next.

Glad you brought up CANTON. Another wonderful speaker and I would agree with your assessment of their sound. They aren't easy to locate though.

John

[SammyG]

Originally Posted by callas01

I will give you my list, but you have to understand that I see a speaker one way, and others will disagree

Bright
Kef, Klipsch, JBL, Polk**, Definitive Tech, Boston Acoustics

Warm Mid-range and Forward highs
PSB, Paradigm, B&W, Martin Logan, Monitor Audio, Def Tech

Warm Mid-range and Laidback highs
Energy, PSB, Tannoy*

Nuetral
Dali, Canton

Neutral and Airy highs
Vienna Acoustics, Dali

**I wouldn't actually call them Bright speakers, at least not compared to what they are being compared too.
*I have not personally heard, but all the people I have talked to said that Energy and Tannoy sound really similar.

Understand that they all don't sound the same either. So classifying this way is based on what I have experienced. Also, some brands are listed more then once, because different lines have different sounds. Many brands have a similar tone, but there are always differences from one line to the next.

I think you've added the same speakers to multiple lists. You have Def Tech as bright and warm? Amplification and the model of speaker plays a giant role in this subject matter. Almost everyone just labels a speaker as bright, if it sounded that way in a store, not a fair assessment at all. Pairing your speakers with the proper amplifier is crucial. I went through numerous amplifiers before I found one that gave me the sound I was looking for. To the OP, there is no answer or list that could be considered correct or accurate. Demo, demo, and more demos is the only answer IMO.

[SammyG]

Originally Posted by John72953

Glad you brought up CANTON. Another wonderful speaker and I would agree with your assessment of their sound. They aren't easy to locate though.

John

My local shop carries Canton, I own one of their smaller subs for my bedroom.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by SammyG

My local shop carries Canton, I own one of their smaller subs for my bedroom.

I really like their sound. Mind you, they were paired with a Jeff Rowland setup at one of the local dealers here, so it's not like your basic "INSERT NAME" AVR.

John