The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Jackson has said over the years that the next EE release would have goodies and editing that were not included in the 2002-2004 EE releases, it is not to be a duplicate release of the DVDs. It's just not ready yet. They can't release what does not yet exist. Jackson more recently said that he intended on getting in some work on a new EE of LotR as soon as Weta was in full swing working on 'The Hobbit'.

One can only hope. For me, there can never be a version of these films that has too much supplementary material. This will probably be the last chance for a comprehensive release.

[Witch King of Angmar]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

All 5 are the same? So that's why Saruman defeated Mithrandir so easily at Isengard.

Gandalf the white pwns all.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

True, and I think that Frodo demonstrates more maturity than Bilbo at the same age. Bilbo had to be practically dragged out of Bag End to go on his adventure. Although Bilbo probably could have been convinced to start the journey to destroy the Ring, Frodo's personality characteristic is more demonstrative of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or the one)" compared to Bilbo.

Bilbo to put it bluntly never seemed to have Frodo's drive or strong sense of purpose.

Originally Posted by teracore

Gandalf the white pwns all.

I don't know, the Witchking of Angmar kicked his butt pretty easily.

[Witch King of Angmar]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Bilbo to put it bluntly never seemed to have Frodo's drive or strong sense of purpose.


I don't know, the Witchking of Angmar kicked his butt pretty easily.

They hardly met in the book?

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Bilbo to put it bluntly never seemed to have Frodo's drive or strong sense of purpose.

Hey Wolverine, where are you in the book?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Hey Wolverine, where are you in the book?

I don't have the Hobbit yet, the Silmarillion is somewhere around here and LOTR is in transit.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I don't have the Hobbit yet, the Silmarillion is somewhere around here and LOTR is in transit.

That explains it - we were missing you in the LoTR group!

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Bilbo to put it bluntly never seemed to have Frodo's drive or strong sense of purpose.

Who Bilbo is at the beginning, and who Bilbo becomes by the end of 'The Hobbit', are two completely different characters.

Frodo's "strong sense of purpose", while certainly an innate aspect of his personality, is also a product of his task. Bilbo never had any such task, any such responsibility. He was a different man with a completely different journey. Bilbo's journey was ultimately one of extraordinary self-benefit: he acquired great wealth, saw the world and had unbelievable adventure, but mostly he grew up a lot as a person and learned a great deal about himself.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Frodo's "strong sense of purpose", while certainly an innate aspect of his personality, is also a product of his task. Bilbo never had any such task, any such responsibility. He was a different man with a completely different journey. Bilbo's journey was ultimately one of extraordinary self-benefit: he acquired great wealth, saw the world and had unbelievable adventure, but mostly he grew up a lot as a person and learned a great deal about himself.

Another factor is the target audience at the time the stories were written. The Hobbit was originally written as a children's story, so one would expect the protagonist to have Bilbo's personality traits, rather than the introspective, self-sacrificial characteristics of Frodo.

[tommyboy81]

i wonder when the 2nd part comes out on BR will there be a set where the 2 are put together to make 1 movie like what Kill Bill was suppose to be.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Another factor is the target audience at the time the stories were written. The Hobbit was originally written as a children's story, so one would expect the protagonist to have Bilbo's personality traits, rather than the introspective, self-sacrificial characteristics of Frodo.

Or, to simplify, 'Lord of the Rings' is not a continuation of 'The Hobbit', it is a completely different story within the same setting. Bilbo's story is not Frodo's story.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Or, to simplify, 'Lord of the Rings' is not a continuation of 'The Hobbit', it is a completely different story within the same setting. Bilbo's story is not Frodo's story.

Consequently, it will interesting to see how much of the flavor of Jackson's LoTR is carried over by Del Toro.

[JTStarkiller]

Has Del Toro ever shot in Cinemascope before? I can't recall anything, but I'm no expert on the guy. Curious how he'll adapt to that.

[Batman1980]

"There and back again, a hobbit's tale" by Bilbo Baggins. Fascinating creatures Hobbits, you can learn everything there is to know about them in a month and yet after 100 years they can still surprise you.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

Has Del Toro ever shot in Cinemascope before? I can't recall anything, but I'm no expert on the guy. Curious how he'll adapt to that.

It has indeed been at least minor issue. It's a new thing for him, but he has good help available, especially if they will be using the services of Andrew Lesnie again.

[Witch King of Angmar]

I am thinking of reading Lord of the Rings.

Don't know how much time will it take to finish. I finished the hobbit in 4-5 days.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by teracore

I am thinking of reading Lord of the Rings.

Don't know how much time will it take to finish. I finished the hobbit in 4-5 days.

Haven't you read it already?

What jumps out at me immediately, is what a completely different character Frodo is in the book, versus in the movie. I don't like movie Frodo, he is a total lightweight, a whiner, and more of a clue-less obligated sacrificial lamb rather than a thoughtful man with a heavy sense of destiny and responsibility. Elijah Wood as Frodo is my Jar-Jar Binks, the re-imagining of that character and his dreadful acting very nearly ruined what I consider to be the greatest film of all time.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Consequently, it will interesting to see how much of the flavor of Jackson's LoTR is carried over by Del Toro.

They are a bit different in their direction, it will sound and have a different look but I am sure they will try to keep it at a minimun, they are not crazy and know that people will expect LOTR feel to these two movies

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

They are a bit different in their direction, it will sound and have a different look but I am sure they will try to keep it at a minimun, they are not crazy and know that people will expect LOTR feel to these two movies

Think it depends on how strong Del Toro is.Think Jackson is going to have a pretty heavy hand on this production.I hope Del Toro fights to retain control over direction over Jackson myself.

[Banned User]

I just hope Del Toro keeps a dark edge for the film and also does't get as crazy with the CGI. I'm really getting sick of films having way too much CGI. Especially in the backdrops. I'd prefer matte paintings to some of the stuff that's been done in the last few years.