Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Thanks. This is amazing to me, but at the same time when you consider the effort that went into the rest of the transfer, not really. Just another sign of the effort, or lack of on this intitial release as far as the PQ goes

Is it me or does it almost seem to me you want the transfer to be bad because everytime someone backs you up you seem i don't know pleased in your writing. Thanks what is there to thank for

[nazdar]

I was not going for the TE. Then I'm wondering about the BBSteelbook. Was there i pic of it here? You got have the Extended. The theatricals are good for a quicker watch.
... decision ...

[petmic10]

Originally Posted by HDPlasma

Several people as AVS have also reported observing the same issues.
Now that people are aware of the time frame of the issues, they can check for themselves.
*Assuming their TV/projector isn't overscanning to push the lines off the screen.

What a blunder Warner has on it's hands. Bad enough there are obvious issues with the PQ that can be overlooked J6P but how did they miss this?

Agreed, PQ problems aside, this framing or aspect ratio problem
is just inexcusable.

[HDPlasma]

Originally Posted by billzfan

I heard nothing about this. I think one of the reviewers would have noticed if this was a widespread problem.

Did any reviewer notice the missing arrows in Gladiator BEFORE someone at AVS pointed them out?

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Parasite68

I totally agree with you 100 percent, but are you already disappointed before experiencing it on your system or are you goiing to judge for yourself? I love these movies as much as anyone here, and they deserve the best treatment possible. I havent read any of your previous posts, so I'm not sure if you had the opportunity to view them already... But if you havent, it sounds like youve made up your mind already, billing it as a sub par experience. The only thing hat we truly know based on pro reviews is that Fellowship is a little softer than the other two... Does that warrant saying it's a half ass transfer regarding all 3 films? In my eyes, no. But then again, that's my opinion, and it may not agree with yours... That's cool. All I'm saying is, and I'm not speaking about you, is there's a lot of slams against the release from people who havent even gotten their copies yet. I'm not defending the release either. I havent seen it yet! If it's garbage, then I'll be next to everybody else throwing tomatoes at it! But let's wait til we've all had a chance to see it for ourselves before we crucify it!

I have seen/read enough from sources that have proven to be VERY reliable over the months/years in comparison to my own experiences (Dave, Ken, Xylon, etc.....) that I would be absolutely floored to find my own experience considerably different when I finaly rent these. Of course I will let my own eyes be the judge, but my hopes are all but gone for this initial release from a transfer standpoint with everything we know up to this point.

Even by that small chance that I do find these "good", the fact remains that they should and could have been considerably better with a proper transfer and that is something that I cant let go

Interesting quote from Alan Gouger (AVS owner) over on AVS who has viewed both the blu ray and HDTV versions................

if you get a chance to grab the Mpeg2 recordings off HBO from anyone they have no DNR and are superior. Shame someone went joystick happy on these.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...237167&page=18 post #536

[petmic10]

Originally Posted by mredman

Is it me or does it almost seem to me you want the transfer to be bad because everytime someone backs you up you seem i don't know pleased in your writing

I think Todd has been vocal in this thread because he wants the best
Blu-ray has to offer and clearly this is not it. Some people are just
more critical than others.

Don't we all want the best from Blu-ray?

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by 42041

Er, the guy who posted the HDTV comparison at AVS even said that the majority of the movie is not DNRd
at any rate, those caps look mediocre at best for a 2001 film. soft and blurry.

Screen-caps are always going to look a bit soft on a computer monitor.

[HDPlasma]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Interesting quote from Alan Gouger (AVS owner) over on AVS who has viewed both the blu ray and HDTV versions................

if you get a chance to grab the Mpeg2 recordings off HBO from anyone they have no DNR and are superior. Shame someone went joystick happy on these.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...237167&page=18 post #536

But then you would need to sync & splice the HD audio from the blu-ray to match the HDTV broadcast. Then you would have a true better version of the movies.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by petmic10

I think Todd has been vocal in this thread because he wants the best
Blu-ray has to offer and clearly this is not it. Some people are just
more critical than others.

Don't we all want the best from Blu-ray?

This is exactly why I am vocal, and why more of us should be vocal. There is still hope for future editions of these films including the EEs which I am still looking forward to and plan on buying. These are 3 of my favorite films (just like many of you) and they deserve better treatment.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by mredman

Is it me or does it almost seem to me you want the transfer to be bad because everytime someone backs you up you seem i don't know pleased in your writing. Thanks what is there to thank for

I am "pleased" because I am glad there are others who dont accept a half ass effort of 3 of the greatest films of all time and are willing to say so. There are not enough of us in this forum it seems, so its good to see those who feel the same way speak out.

[tacomaprime]

What cracks me up is that if one reviewer sees dnr, they all see it. Yet, I would venture to guess that most people don't even know what it is, or what it does to a movie.

[Q?]

Originally Posted by HDPlasma

Several people as AVS have also reported observing the same issues.
Now that people are aware of the time frame of the issues, they can check for themselves.
*Assuming their TV/projector isn't overscanning to push the lines off the screen.

What a blunder Warner has on it's hands. Bad enough there are obvious issues with the PQ that can be overlooked J6P but how did they miss this?

Oh no no!

Those lines are supposed to be there, it's "intended"

[Brodo Faggins]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Naw, just looked over it again, and I can summarize your side of the argument in a few short phrases:

"mine is bigger"
"I can see things that the rest of you can't"
"my opinions have the authority of fact... everyone is entitled to Todd Smith's opinion"

You forgot to add all the " " nonsense in his posts.

[Diesel]

The very large majority of the Mines of Moria sequence looked superb.

[jwoodwar]

Originally Posted by captclueless

What cracks me up is that if one reviewer sees dnr, they all see it. Yet, I would venture to guess that most people don't even know what it is, or what it does to a movie.

Holy Crap It's DNR... Holy Crap It's DNR


Person reading this..."I can see the DNR now"

FAIL

[kernel_thai]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Even if Frodo could have learned something and demonstrated it from Tom's actions later within the movie, I would have been OK with his inclusion. However, once they get out of the Barrow-downs, this chapter leaves little relevancy to the remaining story and what impact it had on the hobbits.

People always make a big deal about taking out Tom Bombadil but the big omission from that part of the story is the barrow-wights. Its at Barrow-Downs where Merry got his blade (a sword of westernesse) that deals the crippling blow to the Lord of the Nazgul. With this left out there is no explanation how Eowyn is able to kill the witch king when Aragorn, the river Bruinen and Gandalph previously failed.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by kernel_thai

People always make a big deal about taking out Tom Bombadil but the big omission from that part of the story is the barrow-wights. Its at Barrow-Downs where Merry got his blade (a sword of westernesse) that deals the crippling blow to the Lord of the Nazgul. With this left out there is no explanation how Eowyn is able to kill the witch king when Aragorn, the river Bruinen and Gandalph previously failed.

Aragorn is male and therefore cannot do it. Not sure why Jackson didn't let the Maiar Gandalf face off against the Witchking of Angmar, as Grand Bob said, it could've been one of the most epic stand-offs ever filmed.

[petmic10]

Originally Posted by Diesel

The very large majority of the Mines of Moria sequence looked superb.

Agreed, detail was plentiful and film grain was intact.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by petmic10

Agreed, detail was plentiful and film grain was intact.

No Master Gimli, I would not go through the mines of Moria unless I had no other choice. We will let the Ringbearer decide.
We will go through the mines.
Can't wait to see it, Wednesday can't get here fast enough!

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by captclueless

What cracks me up is that if one reviewer sees dnr, they all see it. Yet, I would venture to guess that most people don't even know what it is, or what it does to a movie.

Good reviewers with a critical eye who know what these issues look like will catch these problems, simple as that.

I would agree that most people dont know what DNR is, but that does not make DNR a good and acceptable thing. If you were to actualy show these people the negative impact DNR has to a film or picture and why grain is good, etc.......MOST would be against it.

Originally Posted by Brodo Faggins

You forgot to add all the " " nonsense in his posts.

I actualy dont think I have used the "cool" icon, and you forgot which I have used Good job on keeping track though