Predator (1987) (Ultimate Hunter Edition)

[beanham22]

Originally Posted by Volume11

Of course we don't...but like I have said all through this thread, even if the new edition has minimal to non existent improvements at least we know Fox actually put forth the effort this time and at least gave the film a better encode on a larger disc with tons of extras AND movie money for Predators...

Its a no brainer if you haven't already bought it and its tempting even if you have...

Yeah I'm upgrading even though I have The first Blu. Also I want to see Predators, so the Movie Cash will be great.

[SpotOn]

Originally Posted by drtre81

I asked FOR A BLURAY that it available with a mpeg2 version AND VC-1/AVC version available where the VC-1/AVC version did not look better. You failed to provide this... and will continue to fail, because it's never happened.

Total Recall
T2
Stargate


All look better with VC-1/AVC encodes.

Then why did you even ask the question in the first place? You failed upon your first question "Show me one bluray where a vc-1 or avc version didn't look better than the mpeg2 version", which has no answer. Coupled with the fact that your Lionsgate trifecta (T2, Total Recall, Stargate) is a statement based only on speculation, for someone who likes to throw the word "fail" around so much you have indeed failed again.

The real problem with the Lionsgate titles (and nearly all early Lionsgate catalogue titles) are bad TRANSFERS not the codecs used to put them on disc. The UK Total Recall has a much better picture then the Lionsgate US, but that is due to a superior transfer and has nothing to do with it's encode.
Putting the Lionsgate transfer back out but with a different encode is like trying to polish a turd.

[beanham22]

Originally Posted by SpotOn

Then why did you even ask the question in the first place? You failed upon your first question "Show me one bluray where a vc-1 or avc version didn't look better than the mpeg2 version", which has no answer. Coupled with the fact that your Lionsgate trifecta (T2, Total Recall, Stargate) is a statement based only on speculation, for someone who likes to throw the word "fail" around so much you have indeed failed again.

The real problem with the Lionsgate titles (and nearly all early Lionsgate catalogue titles) are bad TRANSFERS not the codecs used to put them on disc. The UK Total Recall has a much better picture then the Lionsgate US, but that is due to a superior transfer and has nothing to do with it's encode.
Putting the Lionsgate transfer back out but with a different encode is like trying to polish a turd.

Lol, Indeed.

[HD Goofnut]

Any word on whether this is going to be a remaster or simply a MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 transfer?

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by drtre81

Show me one bluray where a vc-1 or avc version didn't look better than the mpeg2 version.

Shooter, just to add to the list. Sorry it doesn't support your agenda (really doesn't matter that it wasn't a Blu-ray in the point you're trying to prove).

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Actually, the Blu-rays for Four Brothers, M:I 3 and Kiss Kiss all had LESS space (25GB vs the HD-DVD's 30GB).

Actually Kiss Kiss Bang Bang on HD-DVD was a single layer HD-DVD. A single layer HD-DVD with VC-1 is about equivalent to a single layer Blu-Ray with MPEG-2. Both discs in the end looked and sounded the same.

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Actually, the Blu-rays for Four Brothers, M:I 3 and Kiss Kiss all had LESS space (25GB vs the HD-DVD's 30GB).



Total Recall - Different Master
T2- Tweaked, Manipulated Master
Stargate - Different Master

FAIL!

You don't even know the difference between a new master and a new transfer...

ALL current T2's share the 2003 master. Total Recall BD's use the same master. FAIL

[captainjoe]

Fail fail fail owned owned pwned epic epic

[nycomet]

Originally Posted by captainjoe

Fail fail fail owned owned pwned epic epic

What are you trying to say?

Link please.

[Snikt]

So... back to a new edition of Predator coming out . Hopefully we'll be getting some more news about this release. Some actualy technical details would be nice.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by captainjoe

Fail fail fail owned owned pwned epic epic

That actually made me laugh out loud

[HumanMedia]

Originally Posted by drtre81

You don't even know the difference between a new master and a new transfer...

ALL current T2's share the 2003 master. Total Recall BD's use the same master. FAIL

Half right, T2s share teh same master but Total Recalls come from a different master.

[Plisskenetic]

And who told u that nonsense? Verhoevan?

[Plisskenetic]

And who told u that nonsense? Verhoeven?

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by HumanMedia

Half right, T2s share teh same master but Total Recalls come from a different master.

lol no. If so it would have been released here as well.

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by Snikt

So... back to a new edition of Predator coming out . Hopefully we'll be getting some more news about this release. Some actualy technical details would be nice.

Well based on the evidence presented so far it appears to be...

-new transfer
-AVC encode
-50 gig

New transfer? - It's been confimed... supposedly anyway, to be a new transfer.

AVC?- The japanese version is confimed to be AVC.

50 GIG?- The original disc was 25 gigs. This version is confimed to be 2 discs. The extras are more than likely the extras from the 2 disc dvd version and could easily fit on ONE 50 gig.

But then you say... " No it'll probably just be the same 2008 disc with the 2nd disc for extras "

I then say ? That's a good point except this version has been confimed to have a commentary track which to my knowledge the 2008 didn't have "

Meaning.... it's a new disc.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by drtre81

You don't even know the difference between a new master and a new transfer...

ALL current T2's share the 2003 master. Total Recall BD's use the same master. FAIL

Why do you keep arguing with a welcomed and respected "Insider"? Do you honestly think you somehow know more than someone who actually works in the industry?

We want the Insiders here. It's a privilege to have them take time out of their day to answer our questions and be available to us. We don't need you pissing them off to the point they don't feel like it's worth their time. Show a little respect and maturity.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Snikt

So... back to a new edition of Predator coming out . Hopefully we'll be getting some more news about this release. Some actualy technical details would be nice.

Originally Posted by drtre81

Well based on the evidence presented so far it appears to be...

-new transfer
-AVC encode
-50 gig

New transfer? - It's been confimed... supposedly anyway, to be a new transfer.

AVC?- The japanese version is confimed to be AVC.

50 GIG?- The original disc was 25 gigs. This version is confimed to be 2 discs. The extras are more than likely the extras from the 2 disc dvd version and could easily fit on ONE 50 gig.

But then you say... " No it'll probably just be the same 2008 disc with the 2nd disc for extras "

I then say ? That's a good point except this version has been confimed to have a commentary track which to my knowledge the 2008 didn't have "

Meaning.... it's a new disc.

This is interesting. I hope the reviewers here get a screener ahead of time to review for PQ and AQ. I would double dip if there is a significant improvement, but I won't be buying the new edition until I know for sure.

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Why do you keep arguing with a welcomed and respected "Insider"? Do you honestly think you somehow know more than someone who actually works in the industry?

We want the Insiders here. It's a privilege to have them take time out of their day to answer our questions and be available to us. We don't need you pissing them off to the point they don't feel like it's worth their time. Show a little respect and maturity.

LOL oh gosh...

Insider or not, almost everything he's said in this thread has been either iffy or plain wrong.

Who is contributing more here?

I told you guys a new transfer was coming. Then confirmed the date. Then disc info.

All Cliff has done is bash people wanting a better disc.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by drtre81

New transfer? - It's been confimed... supposedly anyway, to be a new transfer.

Your using a press release as a conformation of a new transfer? More than likely it's a new encode from a different source tape, which probably isn't a new telecine transfer.

AVC?- The japanese version is confimed to be AVC.

More than likely a new AVC encode, but again, is this from a press release or your own first hand knowledge.

50 GIG?- The original disc was 25 gigs. This version is confimed to be 2 discs. The extras are more than likely the extras from the 2 disc dvd version and could easily fit on ONE 50 gig.

This is probably a 2-disc set which included the DVD or a digital copy. I'm betting the film and all supplements are on one Blu-ray.

fitprod