Pioneer 9G Owners Thread - Present & Future

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

I am still not understanding how you came up with IP mode two? Does the 151 have a separate setting that says I-P Mode?

Do you mean you can't find the IP Mode setting option on your Kuro or do you mean why I set it to Mode 2? I set it to IP Mode 2 because from reading the avsforum link it says that for dvd viewing it's best to use IP Mode 1. But for both tv viewing and film to use IP Mode 2. On mine the IP Mode option is under Picture/Pro Adjust.

Originally Posted by ShockWave

Yes those PC settings are the recommended depending on how your system is connected to your TV. I run my direct TV on PC advance and don't notice any degrading effects.

I am using Comcast HD cable, it goes up to 1080i.

From reading all the review sites from Ultimateavmag.com, hometheatermag.com, cnet.com they all say that when watching 1080p/24 material the Film Mode-Advance will automatically be activated even if you don't have Advance selected. The Kuro plasma automatically upconverts a 1080p/24 source to 1080p/72. All I ever read and heard was Film Mode-Advance is only designed for 1080p/24 sources.

For 1080i and 1080p/60 if I can remember it's best to set it to Film Mode-Standard or Off.

Originally Posted by ShockWave

This is at the very bottom of the link.

If it cannot detect a 3:2 cadence, it appears that when PureCinema is set to Advance, it just functions the same as setting PureCinema to Standard.

With NTSC film sources or Blu-Ray, you want to choose PureCinema Advance.

With NTSC mixed sources (video/progressive) you want to choose PureCinema Standard or Off, depending on your preferences. (though you may want to use Advance rather than standard if it is a mixture of video, progressive content and film)

I first want to know what a 50Hz, 60Hz, 75Hz, 100Hz source is. I'm not familiar with that, I only understand 480i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p/60, 1080p/24, 1080p/72.

[ShockWave]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

Do you mean you can't find the IP Mode setting option on your Kuro or do you mean why I set it to Mode 2? I set it to IP Mode 2 because from reading the avsforum link it says that for dvd viewing it's best to use IP Mode 1. But for both tv viewing and film to use IP Mode 2. On mine the IP Mode option is under Picture/Pro Adjust.

I don't see where the link talks about I-P mode? I posted the link to help explain Drive Mode, unless I skipped over it without noticing,

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

I first want to know what a 50Hz, 60Hz, 75Hz, 100Hz source is. I'm not familiar with that, I only understand 480i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p/60, 1080p/24, 1080p/72.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL

The majority of that link is referring to people who receiver PAL. The bottom part I quoted was for NTSC. Which is what we get here in the US.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

I just contacted my calibrator and asked him what my IP was set to. I assumed it was the same as my pure mode which I posted earlier. Since you can't look at pro adjust in ISF modes.

My IP mode is set to 1. He said controlcal does not give him an option for Drive mode. Which makes sense.

From what scweb posted, I am assuming here.
1 is best for I to P for video and maybe film.
2 is a mix bag of both video and still images not the best at either.
3 is best for I to P for still images.

From this if I am correct, I would set mine to 1. Because I to P for me would only be DVD's. Not sure when the still images would come into play. Unless for pictures on your PS3?

Have you checked out Kuro Reader? If your displays are networked, or you can hook up a laptop, you can use Kuro Reader to check your settings and save & print out a log of all of them.

Kuro Reader is a free detailed picture settings reader and Web Interface Control Panel for the Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M, KRP-600M, PRO-101FD, and PRO-141FD plasma monitors. You can go here for the info and download link.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

I don't see where the link talks about I-P mode? I posted the link to help explain Drive Mode, unless I skipped over it without noticing,




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL

The majority of that link is referring to people who receiver PAL. The bottom part I quoted was for NTSC. Which is what we get here in the US.

You are correct, I'm sorry, I was confusing Drive Mode with IP Mode. I have IP Mode on my Kuro, but I can't find Drive Mode in the options menu. Where do I find Drive Mode. is it available on the Pio Elite Kuro Pro 111FD and 151FD models?

From reading the avsforum link, it says that for watching only dvd film material it's best to set Drive Mode to 1. And when using your Kuro to watch both tv and bluray film material to set it to Drive Mode 2, and if you're not sure where to set it the safe bet is Drive Mode 2.

I don't want to keep harping on this, but do any of you know where IP Mode should be set at for best PQ?

[ShockWave]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

You are correct, I'm sorry, I was confusing Drive Mode with IP Mode. I have IP Mode on my Kuro, but I can't find Drive Mode in the options menu. Where do I find Drive Mode. is it available on the Pio Elite Kuro Pro 111FD and 151FD models?

From reading the avsforum link, it says that for watching only dvd film material it's best to set Drive Mode to 1. And when using your Kuro to watch both tv and bluray film material to set it to Drive Mode 2, and if you're not sure where to set it the safe bet is Drive Mode 2.

I don't want to keep harping on this, but do any of you know where IP Mode should be set at for best PQ?

Hey let's keep asking so we all can learn! From what I read in the link, don't worry about Drive Mode. It's for PAL content. It might not be an option on the 151. It should be right below IP mode. Controlcal which is what the ISF calibrators use to calibrate Kuros, cannot even see this option to change it. It will have zero effect on Blu-Ray, DVD's and TV in NTSC format.

[ShockWave]

Originally Posted by scweb13

Have you checked out Kuro Reader? If your displays are networked, or you can hook up a laptop, you can use Kuro Reader to check your settings and save & print out a log of all of them.

Kuro Reader is a free detailed picture settings reader and Web Interface Control Panel for the Pioneer Kuro KRP-500M, KRP-600M, PRO-101FD, and PRO-141FD plasma monitors. You can go here for the info and download link.

Thanks Scweb. I downloaded both Kurocontrol and the Reader. But I never used kuro reader. Thanks for showing us what it's for. It wont make any changes right? All you can do is read settings? I would freak if I messed up my 141 settings.

[scweb13]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

Thanks Scweb. I downloaded both Kurocontrol and the Reader. But I never used kuro reader. Thanks for showing us what it's for. It wont make any changes right? All you can do is read settings? I would freak if I messed up my 141 settings.

Don't worry, all Kuro Reader does is read the settings, it doesn't make any changes. It's great to make a copy of your settings to have as a back up in case something happens. Then you can always go back and input the same settings. Kuro Control is a different story.
Another cool thing, is that when you enable the Web Control Interface of the displays, you can log onto it and check the hours.

[aj slick]

My 141 open box demo had the 2:35:1 black bars burned in. I was fortunate to have another BB exchange it for the last 151 demo in my area for the same price. I saw some 101's NIB for $2099 at BB. They went fast.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by aj slick

My 141 open box demo had the 2:35:1 black bars burned in. I was fortunate to have another BB exchange it for the last 151 demo in my area for the same price. I saw some 101's NIB for $2099 at BB. They went fast.

aj slick, you have a pretty cool home theater setup, but you shouldn't have wasted the money on the Pio Elite 09fd bluray player, it produces the exact same PQ as the Pio BDP-320. You should have saved that money and got an even better Pio Elite SC-05 or 07 reciever. I have a Elite 07 reciever and a Pio Elite 23FD bd player, the reciever offers much more improvement to a home theater than the bd player does.

Pio 320 and 09fd identical:

http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/thomasnorton/010410BD2/

[qwknuf6]

I have a razor thin line , 12" long , starting at the bottom of the 101FD panel and running up . It started out as black , now it looks blue , cannot see it at all on a all black screen , I have ran the factory whitewash and it may have changed/lightened ,but it did change colors . It is still under fact warranty but wanted to know if there is anything I can do ?

Thanks

Mark

[ShockWave]

I contacted Pioneer on the subject about the monitor switching to PC advance automatically if you have it set to standard when detecting a 1080p/24 source. The answer was no it will not switch itself, you must have the monitor set to advance for it to work. Contact them if you would like more info.

If you are having problems with a line try contacting Pioneer. Also if you call you can go straight to service stores in your area by zip code.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

I contacted Pioneer on the subject about the monitor switching to PC advance automatically if you have it set to standard when detecting a 1080p/24 source. The answer was no it will not switch itself, you must have the monitor set to advance for it to work. Contact them if you would like more info.

Oh ok, I was going by what cnet.com and ultimateavmag.com and hometheatermag.com said when they tested the Pio Elite Kuro Pro-111FD and Pro-141FD models which is the same as my Pro-151FD with Film Mode. I never noticed a difference but I'll make sure to manually set it to Advance mode now when watching bluray.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by qwknuf6

I have a razor thin line , 12" long , starting at the bottom of the 101FD panel and running up . It started out as black , now it looks blue , cannot see it at all on a all black screen , I have ran the factory whitewash and it may have changed/lightened ,but it did change colors . It is still under fact warranty but wanted to know if there is anything I can do ?

Thanks

Mark

I would get it fixed by an authorized licensed Pioneer dealer as soon as possible while it's still under factory warranty because they don't make these tv's anymore and the parts are very hard to come by.

[ShockWave]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

Oh ok, I was going by what cnet.com and ultimateavmag.com and hometheatermag.com said when they tested the Pio Elite Kuro Pro-111FD and Pro-141FD models which is the same as my Pro-151FD with Film Mode. I never noticed a difference but I'll make sure to manually set it to Advance mode now when watching bluray.

Yeah, that is why I asked. I have heard both sides of it. But I still wonder why those reviews said it would and the guy at Pioneer said no. I really wish I could talk to a engineer there to make 100% sure. I am going to email again and make certain of either claim.

[oppopioneer]

Originally Posted by ShockWave

Yeah, that is why I asked. I have heard both sides of it. But I still wonder why those reviews said it would and the guy at Pioneer said no. I really wish I could talk to a engineer there to make 100% sure. I am going to email again and make certain of either claim.

Have you ever tried to do your own little experiment and set the Kuro to Film Mode-Standard and put in a bluray to see if the tv goes to Advance?

Maybe what the electronic websites meant was if Film Mode was set to "Off" that if would engage Advance mode once a bluray movie was detected, but not if Film Mode is set to Standard or Smooth. But I'm personally going to manually set it to Advance for now on when I watch bluray.

But can't you tell a difference when watching bluray film when Advance mode is in 1080p/72 and when it's set to 'Standard' at 1080p/60 or 1080p/24? When watching bluray and when Advance is activated it converts the bluray 1080p/24 source to 1080p/72 so I think we should notice a difference with how film looks. I'm not an expert on how film should look and how the directed intended it to look.

[ShockWave]

I asked Pioneer if both options did it, off and standard. Both were replied to as no. I am going to call them tomorrow though.

As far as test. For sure with DVD, standard and advance where much better then off. On DVD, standard and advance seemed the same.

As for Blu, Advance was slightly better then standard. On some test it was hard to tell a difference. But for sure leaving it in advance for blu for me.

What's crazy is we measured the blacks (not exactly but with the eye coming out of black at 20). My blacks on my 141 are the same as my 500m. We also did a side by side comparision and couldn't tell a difference in black levels. Which I was very happy about!

[Pericles]

I've had my krp-500m for about 5 months and its best tv I've ever had.

[saprano]

The kuro doesn't automatically switch to 24hz when you watch a bluray movie. Much less advanced. You have to set it to PC advanced or standard. I never understood why Thomas J. Norton from HT mag said that.

Here is the PC chart posted by ProgProg from AVS. The PC chart doesn't post on this forum correctly for some reason so here is the link to it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16989774

[fuwa]

Originally Posted by saprano

The kuro doesn't automatically switch to 24hz when you watch a bluray movie. Much less advanced. You have to set it to PC advanced or standard. I never understood why Thomas J. Norton from HT mag said that.

Here is the PC chart posted by ProgProg from AVS. The PC chart doesn't post on this forum correctly for some reason so here is the link to it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post16989774

Thanks. I am using Advanced mode now, I may switch to Standard as I will still get 24P on blu-ray and the non-1080/24P sources may look better using Standard according to the posts.

I never understood Norton's statement either but now we have one who says it doesn't switch to 24P and one (Norton) who says it does. I'll try Standard and see if the non 1080/24P pictures look better.

[ShockWave]

PC mode only applies to film based content at 24hz correct? I don't watch movies on cable, I only watch regular program which should not be affected by PC mode at all correct? How are HD video games effected?