Spider-Man 3 sells over 130,000 copies on BD!!

[MarekM]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Why all the Wicky doubting? He said that number DOES NOT include the set. Wicky knows his shit. S'truth.

I was talking about numbers in article, I was not doubtnig Wicky, I don't know him, I am not that long here, and before you will try to labe me as hd-dvd fanboy, check my posts over avs forums...

all what I said, was that there is just mention that bundle is not counted, and not a word if spiderman3 from boxset is counted...

believe me I will be very very happy if that 130k is without boxset number !!!

Marek

[jkcheng122]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Wrong again. Being glass half-empty doesn't draw hostility, but ignoring facts draws logical responses, as it should.

opinions that 130k sold isnt all that impressive drew quite a bit of hostility. i am not wrong here. opinions are not based on facts yet ppl were all over greek. the fact it sold 130k was not ignored.

[jkcheng122]

Originally Posted by jdsanko

An investment in HD-DVD is like throughing money down the toliet.

that plus i'm out HDMI ports are the reasons i never bought the A2 during the $100 deal just to have Transformers in HD. anyone have any ideas when Transformers will hit premium cable so i can DVR it until Paramount releases it on BD with lossless audio?

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by MarekM

believe me I will be very very happy if that 130k is without boxset number !!!

Marek

Not to sound negative AGAIN, but why would sony go through all the hype of releasing a statement about selling 130K and not specify the box set data which is half of the information we are seeking????

Overall guys, I think some folks in this room made the decision to go blu and can't have a truly objective opinion on some of these discussions. I am blu, but I am OBJECTIVE and I think I look at the big picture. Just as we acuse HD fanboys of not looking at the evidence, I think some of you do the same regarding blu. I want blu to win and I think we are, but I don't think we can say this is a HUGE victory, we did win, but we need to remain humble which is what I think we are not doing.

[BoneWSO]

I personally believe Rats will sell more than SM3 (individual copy). It is a reference disc and most people into blu have kids and will want to watch the blu version. I didn't buy SM3 and I'm waiting to have the money to buy the whole box set. I think a lot of people are in my shoes and will be doing the same thing. I think this title will have legs through the whole holiday season as well as all of the other big releases we have. My wish list on amazon keeps getting bigger and bigger and I can't keep up with all of these great new releases coming out. Blu is going to decimate HD DVD this holiday season.

[GregBlu5]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

To win this war, we need to blow away the competition so that the decision to go blu is obvious. To pull out a squeaker (130k vs 110K), is not making the decision any easier for Warner, paramount, whomever is guaging the war.

Everyone keeps talking about the titles having "legs", whose to say that Transformers won't? Hell, they just sold 90k players last week. They have to buy something for them, don't they?

One major point is that, as with each of the previous weeks in which Blu beat down red, it isn't a squeaker involving *one* title. When Blu gets those 71-29 victories, it's several titles that contribute. Even when Blu barely stopped Red on Transformers week 51-49, it was with many, many titles. Spiderman3, with or without the box set, will be joined on the list by many other Blu titles. If Blu again wins the week with 75-25, for example, it will be because of Spiderman3 alone AND in the box set, joined by lots of other Blu titles.

Total figures involving all titles from all movies companies are what's going to sway Warners or Universal or whomever. Not just one title from one company. That's where Blu has been so strong. Doesn't matter the title, doesn't matter the company, Blu is selling big across many titles for a lengthy period of time.

-Greg

[badboi]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Not to sound negative AGAIN, but why would sony go through all the hype of releasing a statement about selling 130K and not specify the box set data which is half of the information we are seeking????

Christ on a bike, READ the linked article. It specifically says Spiderman 3. Not Spiderman Boxset or Spiderman all releases. Spiderman flippin' 3. Wait until tomorrow and I'm sure the figures will be broken down for the box set and the SM3 single.

[jkcheng122]

Originally Posted by GregBlu5

One major point is that, as with each of the previous weeks in which Blu beat down red, it isn't a squeaker involving *one* title. When Blu gets those 71-29 victories, it's several titles that contribute. Even when Blu barely stopped Red on Transformers week 51-49, it was with many, many titles. Spiderman3, with or without the box set, will be joined on the list by many other Blu titles. If Blu again wins the week with 75-25, for example, it will be because of Spiderman3 alone AND in the box set, joined by lots of other Blu titles.

Total figures involving all titles from all movies companies are what's going to sway Warners or Universal or whomever. Not just one title from one company. That's where Blu has been so strong. Doesn't matter the title, doesn't matter the company, Blu is selling big across many titles for a lengthy period of time.

-Greg

do you have a link for the weekly ratio sales numbers? i'd like to see the ratios after the 51:49 week.

[Jimbo976]

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

do you have a link for the weekly ratio sales numbers? i'd like to see the ratios after the 51:49 week.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=8608

[cawgijoe]

Originally Posted by jkcheng122

do you have a link for the weekly ratio sales numbers? i'd like to see the ratios after the 51:49 week.

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...0407/index.php

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by badboi

Christ on a bike, READ the linked article. It specifically says Spiderman 3. Not Spiderman Boxset or Spiderman all releases. Spiderman flippin' 3. Wait until tomorrow and I'm sure the figures will be broken down for the box set and the SM3 single.

Exactly my point!! Where is the box data??? This is a no brainer!!! Sony could have spun it as this 130K doesn't include the xxx amount of spidey 3 titles sold with the box set!!!! They SPECIFICALLY go out of there way to say it doesn't include the copies that come with the PS3, but ignore Box data which is more important IMHO.

To not include it can only indicate the information wasn't favorable to Sony.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Not to sound negative AGAIN, but why would sony go through all the hype of releasing a statement about selling 130K and not specify the box set data which is half of the information we are seeking????

My guess is this: they (Sony) don't wnat to give the red camp ANY chance to play down the numbers. You know, "well, of course SM-3 sold huge numbers, you included the boxed set too!".

And for those dissing the SM-3 numbers, just remember: SM-3 will sell almost this well for WEEKs; unlike Transformers (whose numbers were doubtless inflated by overseas purchasers), SM-3 won't be a one-week flash-in-the-pan wonder. In other words, the overall sales for SM-3 will definitely CRUSH those for Transformers.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

but we need to remain humble which is what I think we are not doing.

I did so I'm not sure who the we is.

[jkcheng122]

thanks for the links. let's hope we see at least a 60:40 on the next results and 70:30 or better by end of 2007.

do we yet have official rather than disputed numbers on Transformers yet?

[ottscay]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Not to sound negative AGAIN, but why would sony go through all the hype of releasing a statement about selling 130K and not specify the box set data which is half of the information we are seeking????

If you recall there was a large (and embarassing) brew-ha-ha over the inflated Paramount numbers, with public accusations made at the Blu-ray celebration last week. I suspect that Sony is trying very hard to make sure their numbers are impeachable. Think of it this way; what the public thinks is important, but what say....Warner and Universal think is more important in the short term. Warner was not pleased that Paramount lied to try and claim the HD title crown, and Universal already doesn't like Paramount. This is clearly a case where taking the conservative approach is going to win you friends.

I think Sony did exactly the right thing. And if Paramount should try to make a stink, they have the box-set numbers in reserve to whip out on them.

Overall guys, I think some folks in this room made the decision to go blu and can't have a truly objective opinion on some of these discussions. I am blu, but I am OBJECTIVE and I think I look at the big picture. Just as we acuse HD fanboys of not looking at the evidence, I think some of you do the same regarding blu.

Everyone lacks objectivity from time to time (and some more than others) but I don't think you are looking at this particular subject any more objectively. If SM3 on BD took 6 days to beat Transformers first week sales on HD DVD even with sales being siphoned off by the PS3 giveaway AND the box set, while during the same time frame on reagular DVD Transformers was massively outselling SM3, then these numbers cannot really be looked at as anything but a huge success.

Would I prefer for them to have sold 200K without the box set? Of course. But given the circumstances these are good numbers.

[WarCraft]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Not to sound negative AGAIN, but why would sony go through all the hype of releasing a statement about selling 130K and not specify the box set data which is half of the information we are seeking????

Overall guys, I think some folks in this room made the decision to go blu and can't have a truly objective opinion on some of these discussions. I am blu, but I am OBJECTIVE and I think I look at the big picture. Just as we acuse HD fanboys of not looking at the evidence, I think some of you do the same regarding blu. I want blu to win and I think we are, but I don't think we can say this is a HUGE victory, we did win, but we need to remain humble which is what I think we are not doing.

would sony go through all the hype
Umm what do you mean Sony going through all the hype? They just released a statement. I dont see "going through all the hype" there. Some spin.

but I am OBJECTIVE and I think I look at the big picture.
Oh so you are new here and after some 67+ posts you have come to conclude that people(who have been here for long and have been through ups and down) reasoning with you or debunking your claims are not OBJECTIVE? And you are? Pluuuueasssse.

I want blu to win and I think we are, but I don't think we can say this is a HUGE victory, we did win, but we need to remain humble which is what I think we are not doing.[/
That's what Blu has been saying all along -- be happy that SM3 win. Period.
But it doesnt matter -- if you look at the trend since inception, Blu-ray releases are for the most are consistent. They sell and they sell well even if HD(Blu-ray) is not a mainstream market.

[ottscay]

I think most of yor points were good, but I'm not too keen on this one:

Originally Posted by WarCraft

but I am OBJECTIVE and I think I look at the big picture.
Oh so you are new here and after some 67+ posts you have come to conclude that people(who have been here for long and have been through ups and down) reasoning with you or debunking your claims are not OBJECTIVE? And you are? Pluuuueasssse.

I agree with your general point that he wasn't being as objective as he portrays himself, but the numer of posts should not themselves be the measure of objectivity. "Objectivity" relates to how well your observations line up with the facts (and so are not being clouded by your own prejudices).

His post fails to be objective because he isn't considering all of the evidence, not because he's new here. It's not fair (And a disservice to these boards) to attack someone based on their post count unless they are obviously trolling, which I don't think he his.

[greekjgg]

Response in RED

Originally Posted by WarCraft

would sony go through all the hype
Umm what do you mean Sony going through all the hype? They just released a statement. I dont see "going through all the hype" there. Some spin. Why would they go through the trouble to release this statement and NOT include box data when they stated that it DIDn't include sm3 in ps3's unless the data wasn't favorable to sony???

but I am OBJECTIVE and I think I look at the big picture.
Oh so you are new here and after some 67+ posts you have come to conclude that people(who have been here for long and have been through ups and down) reasoning with you or debunking your claims are not OBJECTIVE? And you are? Pluuuueasssse. Just because I didn't post, doesn't mean I wasn't reading!!


I want blu to win and I think we are, but I don't think we can say this is a HUGE victory, we did win, but we need to remain humble which is what I think we are not doing.[/
That's what Blu has been saying all along -- be happy that SM3 win. Period.
But it doesnt matter -- if you look at the trend since inception, Blu-ray releases are for the most are consistent. They sell and they sell well even if HD(Blu-ray) is not a mainstream market.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by badboi

Christ on a bike, READ the linked article. It specifically says Spiderman 3. Not Spiderman Boxset or Spiderman all releases. Spiderman flippin' 3. Wait until tomorrow and I'm sure the figures will be broken down for the box set and the SM3 single.

When the Spider-Man 3 sales statistics started coming out. I remember seeing an article about the Spider-Man box set hitting at number 5 on the sales charts. They didn't include that number in their stats, so would they include it with the BD?

[greekjgg]

[QUOTE=ottscay;331628]I think most of yor points were good, but I'm not too keen on this one:


His post fails to be objective because he isn't considering all of the evidence, not because he's new here. QUOTE]


Thanks for the help, but I think what makes me objective is that I DO consider evidence that isn't favorable to blu at times which is what I think some blu fanboys can't do and starts these lengthy discussion. Just because I play devil's advocate, I'm accused of trolling, not blu, etc.......

Just as HD fanboy's dismiss certain claims as false, so do some blu here.