On The Fence

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by frankc4s

Black hawk down
Kingdom of heaven.DC

Plan to add to my collection on a weekly basis.

Based in the UK and am waiting for the release of either the PS3 or the Pioneer player in march before I can play these discs. HD DVD does not seem to have the same buzz over here as Blu Ray does.
Even the local HMV Stores have started selling Blu Ray discs.....no sign of the HD DVD discs.

I get the feeling once PS3 gets into its full production stride, this will spell the end for HD DVD.

It looks like your statement confirms that HD-DVD is having a hard time in the UK and the whole of Europe. Same probably goes with Australia and New Zealand (with reports that i'm hearing from 'Blue', the moderator from Australia)

Heck, even Japan, Blu-ray sells 10:1 against the rival. In Japan, HD-DVD is already a DYING BREED (and it's not even the end of 2006)

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

It looks like your statement confirms that HD-DVD is having a hard time in the UK and the whole of Europe. Same probably goes with Australia and New Zealand (with reports that i'm hearing from 'Blue', the moderator from Australia)

Heck, even Japan, Blu-ray sells 10:1 against the rival. In Japan, HD-DVD is already a DYING BREED (and it's not even the end of 2006)

I know HD-DVD is virtually DOA in the East (Japan ,etc.) just like the Xbox platform has been pretty much since day one.

Go figure.

[C6 Z06]

Originally Posted by Sony_Blue-Ray

Im glad to see some of you are getting behind your format of choice. Now lets see how far you will carry your sack of friend's? I would like to see what people jumped on the bandwagon and what they bought and where they bought it? So when you do pick up your Blu-Ray movie this week tell us about it.

I just got my first for the week: The Big Hit

Circuit City $24.99

And it was nice to see that Blu-Ray was being Displayed better than the HD-DVD's. I couldn't even find HD-DVD untill I asked and seen this end cap with maybe 25 movies on it. But all you had to do was look In the TV section and there was a nice two sided floor stand with at least 55 different Blu-Ray movies. Good job Circuit City!

Just added 5 more The Fugitive, Lethal Weapon 2, The Italian Job, The Punisher and Tears Of The Sun, all from Best Buy. The great thing is, as I look through the BR movies, others will ask if I have the player and is it worth it. Helps promote the format with Blu-ray movies in hand. Enjoy!

[Deciazulado]

oh noe! i have competition

[Sony_Blue-Ray]

Ok I nead to step it up I guess. So I will be going to my neighborhood Best Buy and picking up a few Tomorrow.

[Sony_Blue-Ray]

Well went to Best Buy to pick up Eight Below and NL Christmas Vacation but they only had Eight below seems like the only way to get NL Christmas Vacation is to order it online from Best Buy. I hate ordering online! But will make the order after I check my account balance.

Eight Below $29.99 Best Buy

[C6 Z06]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

oh noe! i have competition

All for BD. May the war end soon!

[C6 Z06]

Just picked up two more BD. Enemy of The State and Gone in 60sec both at Best Buy.

[cyborgen]

Originally Posted by jedisinclair

I started out as a strong Blu-ray supporter... then I read some things that made me see some positives with HD DVD... it's so discouraging. I sold my Blu-ray movies and now I don't own any HD content. I wish there was ONE format to succeed DVD or I wish I could see a clear winner in this "war". But, until I do, they're not getting any more of my hard earned money. I thank you guys for this forum and I will continue to "monitor" the progress of both. I just hope it isn't going to be years before there's a definitive winner.

Its definitely going to be a bloody war with each side deeply entrenched, mucho mucho $$$$ at stake and perhaps the collapse of an empire. I definitely understand your rationale.

Retailers are watching this closely and doing some heavy pulse checks

http://www.homemediaretailing.com/ne...ticle_id=10013

“Sony forces you to buy Blu-ray,” read a post at forums.adventuregamers.com. “MS doesn’t force you to buy HD DVD. It’s about giving the consumer options.”

... and then Rob Enderle from Digital Trends (former Blu-Ray absolutist) now affirms that Blu-Ray will crash the entire Hi-Def effort.

http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback158.html

....the killing blow may have been done by Microsoft who decided to bring to market a $200 HD DVD option for their Xbox 360 which has been in market a year longer than Sony and is projected to have a near 20x installed base advantage by year end (10M Xbox 360 to 600K PS3).

I was praying for Blu-Ray, but it seems the Beta/VHS syndrome is hitting again. Damn !!!
Here is a fair assessment... it may be still up in the air
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa130.html#saw3

The fact is, HD-DVD beat Blu-ray to the market by several months and the HD-DVD supporting studios have released more titles on that format, so it's only naturally going to have more positive buzz. What's more, not only has the Blu-ray camp been slower with both hardware and software, the delay and higher price of the PS3 has drawn loud complaints from gamers, which has skewed the buzz negative.

Accessibility and price.... will this kill Blu-Ray ? Damn standard wars, last time around it was those offering a solution that won (VHS). Imposing a solution BETA can be extremely profitable (royalties $$$) if you win, but the risks are enormous. I think its a question of attitude, people don't like to be pushed, regardless of perceived superior quality or performance... period.

ps.... The first casualty in a war is truth, there is alot of BS out there on both sides but numbers speak volumes. Check out the Amazon.com HDDVD/Blu-ray stats when they come out.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...ows-193581.php

The current battle—war, if you will—between Blu-ray and HD-DVD will end in an inglorious stalemate according to research conducted by Screen Digest, a business-related media research and analysis firm. Moreover, the research firm also predicts that the war will do more harm than good and actually harm the high definition disc market, which kind of goes against the whole "competition will set you free" thesis, at least in this case.

.... would you buy anything with this much smoke in the air ?!?!?!

[Deciazulado]

Aww meez..

Why is it that new single posters always bring the same ol' yarn we've seen 10 times before?

At least they should look at other threads before posting them!



Hi cyborgen, we have concluded somewhat differently 'round here
*waves

[cyborgen]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Aww meez..

Why is it that new single posters always bring the same ol' yarn we've seen 10 times before?

At least they should look at other threads before posting them!



Hi cyborgen, we have concluded somewhat differently 'round here
*waves

This would make this my second post .... and by the way, I haven't concluded anything at this point as you obviously haven't read any of the links I provided. I'm surprised that you have concluded something at this point in the game

This war thing... is just beginning and only part of the future of the high def hardware story. The rest of the high-def story will be in internet downloaded protected contents which may render obsolete any blu-ray / hd-dvd engraving standard issues and offer a better return on investment for studios.

If you wish to make Sony a religion, be my guest... I prefer to keep an open mind *waves

[theknub]

Originally Posted by cyborgen

This would make this my second post .... and by the way, I haven't concluded anything at this point as you obviously haven't read any of the links I provided. I'm surprised that you have concluded something at this point in the game

This war thing... is just beginning and only part of the future of the high def hardware story. The rest of the high-def story will be in internet downloaded protected contents which may render obsolete any blu-ray / hd-dvd engraving standard issues and offer a better return on investment for studios.

If you wish to make Sony a religion, be my guest... I prefer to keep an open mind *waves

the problem is that every link you provided predicts blu-rays demise. have anything about the demise of hd-dvd? these doom and gloom posts are great, but lets hear it from someone other than a reporter fresh off a greased palm who can look at the whole picture at once. no studios have switched, BVHE has a huge slate they are about to release, warner and paramount are going to release day and date with DVD, no hd-dvd players can be found in stores, blu-ray has massive CE support, and software for blu-ray has equaled or exceeded that of hd-dvd

[cyborgen]

Originally Posted by theknub

the problem is that every link you provided predicts blu-rays demise. have anything about the demise of hd-dvd? these doom and gloom posts are great, but lets hear it from someone other than a reporter fresh off a greased palm who can look at the whole picture at once. no studios have switched, BVHE has a huge slate they are about to release, warner and paramount are going to release day and date with DVD, no hd-dvd players can be found in stores, blu-ray has massive CE support, and software for blu-ray has equaled or exceeded that of hd-dvd

Its true that if you took a snapshot today of the state of Blu-Ray, it is at a disadvantage because of the delays... and the press reflects it. But this will correct itself in the coming months. However new video products are on the horizon bringing on another view from slate.com that basically says that both standards are dead on arrival:
http://www.slate.com/id/2153877

no hd-dvd players can be found in stores

... not true. That cheap HD-DVD 200$ player from microsoft will plug in the 8,000,000 xbox 360 out there...

[theknub]

Originally Posted by cyborgen

Its true that if you took a snapshot today of the state of Blu-Ray, it is at a disadvantage because of the delays... and the press reflects it. But this will correct itself in the coming months. However new video products are on the horizon bringing on another view from slate.com that basically says that both standards are dead on arrival:
http://www.slate.com/id/2153877

ok, so another opinion article. yes, some points can be considered valid. but let me ask, what is the HD availability? does it look as good as these formats? how much hard drive space do you need to store HD? a rental is not owning a movie... lots of things to be said that counteract that whole article. the fact is, it's too early to know for sure.

articles like this is like saying the ps3 is the last console that sony will make.

... not true. That cheap HD-DVD 200$ player from microsoft will plug in the 8,000,000 xbox 360 out there...

not true... only 6 million sold worldwide. but that 6 million is not how many add-ons have been sold.

and to use the add-on as the lone representative of a format is pretty damn sad.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by cyborgen

... you obviously haven't read any of the links I provided. I'm surprised that you have concluded something at this point in the game

...If you wish to make Sony a religion, be my guest... I prefer to keep an open mind *waves

I have read them, and similar links before. Some of the exact same words, and/or similar, in the linked posts (which link to other links) I provided. But I have read far far more than the eye can see. Too.
I've concluded, from studying the data available, barring a disaster.
Same way I concluded years ago that Beta was NOT better than VHS, after looking at the formats specs and didn't buy a Beta machine.

Sony is not my religion*. High resolution film quality is my religion. Here.
And my Quest

*(Right now the only Sony product I own is a 24 year old Biotracer Linear Tracking turntable)

[cyborgen]

Originally Posted by theknub

ok, so another opinion article. yes, some points can be considered valid. but let me ask, what is the HD availability? does it look as good as these formats? how much hard drive space do you need to store HD? a rental is not owning a movie... lots of things to be said that counteract that whole article. the fact is, it's too early to know for sure.

articles like this is like saying the ps3 is the last console that sony will make.


not true... only 6 million sold worldwide. but that 6 million is not how many add-ons have been sold.

and to use the add-on as the lone representative of a format is pretty damn sad.

Sad but cheap (if you already have a 360) and it does a low risk, low cost, high-def job. With a penetration of 6 million before christmas.... that's a lot of driving potential.

The future PS4 / MaXbox will probably be a 10 terrabyte hard disk array library... Games and movies and whatever else digital entertainment will be pushed to own or rent on the box via high speed wired / wireless / WiFi internet . No more hardware limitations just a huge set of hard drives... Sony / MS / Nintendo will adapt.

[theknub]

Originally Posted by cyborgen

Sad but cheap (if you already have a 360) and it does a low risk, low cost, high-def job. With a penetration of 6 million before christmas.... that's a lot of driving potential.

when was there a penetration of 6 million add-on's? but, you have to have a 360 to get it. so, you spend 400 for that and 200 for the add-on. so, it is only cheap for those with a 360 and are interested in hd-dvd.

The future PS4 / MaXbox will probably be a 10 terrabyte hard disk array library... Games and movies and whatever else digital entertainment will be pushed to own or rent on the box via high speed wired / wireless / WiFi internet . No more hardware limitations just a huge set of hard drives... Sony / MS / Nintendo will adapt.

we aren't discussing gaming platforms so who cares. totally irrelevant to the conversation.

[cyborgen]

Originally Posted by theknub

when was there a penetration of 6 million add-on's? but, you have to have a 360 to get it. so, you spend 400 for that and 200 for the add-on. so, it is only cheap for those with a 360 and are interested in hd-dvd.

we aren't discussing gaming platforms so who cares. totally irrelevant to the conversation.

The main sales vector for blu-ray / hd-dvd right now seems to be a gaming platforms ... totally relevant !

[theknub]

in whos mind? have any numbers to back up that statement?

yes, some gaming platforms have helped promote the technology. yes, the install bast of the ps3 is going to be 100% BR while the 360 may be 5% at best. however, ask any of the salesmen on here if players such as the sony bdp or the panasonic are able to stay on shelves right now and the answer will basically be no. the sales is blu-ray technology, not the individual player.

[JTK]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4025

^^ At that rate, HD-DVD will soon finally be dead and pointless "arguments" like these can finally be at an end.