Star Trek TOS audio issues?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

some people have only 2ch systems mostly for music playback but still want lossless audio from movies

Which doesn't make much sense to me.

[bsmith6470]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Which doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm with you. To me it defeats the purpose and would cause the exact symptom the OP is describing. Certain parts of the audio are assigned to certain channels for a reason. By eliminating 5.1 of those channels would leave some holes, wouldn't you think?

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Which doesn't make much sense to me.

why? why wouldnt someone want the best possible sound out of thier equipment? or are you expecting them to go out and purchase more speakers? once upon a time, movies were only in stereo.

edit: would it be better to select the lossy track? some people just prefer a 2 channel set up for what ever reason. you dont have to understand.

[Jeff Kleist]

You need to set your system to stereo if you're using stereo speakers. You're missing the center channel and that's why you can't hear anything

[dougotte]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

You need to set your system to stereo if you're using stereo speakers. You're missing the center channel and that's why you can't hear anything

Thanks, Jeff. A lot of posters here are writing incomplete or erroneous info. By setting your player to output stereo, it should downmix the lossless 5.1 track. Info from all the channels will be retained, but mixed down to 2 channels.

Doug

[JediFonger]

or just choose the 2.0 track

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by JediFonger

or just choose the 2.0 track

The two tracks differ in content, not just channels - the lossy track is the original broadcast mono, and the 7.1 lossless track is the remastered, remixed audio. When choosing between the two tracks, viewers should choose based on the content, not the channels. If your equipment is set up properly, whatever track you choose will be correctly mixed for the number of speakers you actually have and you will not miss any audio - as occurs for ALL Blu-rays. In fact, most BDs ONLY have 5.1 or 7.1 audio, so this would be a big problem if equipment was not designed to deal with this exact scenario.

[JediFonger]

i know... but if you have 2.0 u might as well just listen to the original mono mix. no point in 7.1->2.0 downmix.

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

The two tracks differ in content, not just channels - the lossy track is the original broadcast mono, and the 7.1 lossless track is the remastered, remixed audio. When choosing between the two tracks, viewers should choose based on the content, not the channels. If your equipment is set up properly, whatever track you choose will be correctly mixed for the number of speakers you actually have and you will not miss any audio - as occurs for ALL Blu-rays. In fact, most BDs ONLY have 5.1 or 7.1 audio, so this would be a big problem if equipment was not designed to deal with this exact scenario.

[Lincoln6Echo]

Originally Posted by dougotte

Thanks, Jeff. A lot of posters here are writing incomplete or erroneous info. By setting your player to output stereo, it should downmix the lossless 5.1 track. Info from all the channels will be retained, but mixed down to 2 channels.

Doug

Yeah, that's what I'm saying...on my Oppo, you can set the unit to down-mix any track to whatever speaker set-up you have. I don't have 7.1, but I do have 5.1, so I just set it to down-mix to 5.1 and it "squeezes" those extra channels into the two surrounds.

But in anycase, I can't believe people who have upgraded to BD are still just using TV speakers as their sound source. Hell, when I upgraded to DVD back in '01, I made sure to have a dedicated 5.1 system. It was severely under-powered and LFE was severely lacking (2 built-in 40W subs into the FL/FR channels), and it couldn't even decode DTS, but I got a 720W system with a dedicated 120W sub that sits on the floor.

And the reason why I didn't get a then, 6.1 set-up, (7.1 mixes and receivers for that matter, weren't even around then) because I had no where to put that 6th speaker. My surround speakers straddle a window and that 6th speaker would have have to gone where the window is.

[dougotte]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

But in anycase, I can't believe people who have upgraded to BD are still just using TV speakers as their sound source. Hell, when I upgraded to DVD back in '01, I made sure to have a dedicated 5.1 system. It was severely under-powered and LFE was severely lacking (2 built-in 40W subs into the FL/FR channels), and it couldn't even decode DTS, but I got a 720W system with a dedicated 120W sub that sits on the floor.

It depends on the situation. Our main LR system has a fairly nice surround setup (Marantz AVR, KEF speakers), but I have a second setup in a tiny area in the basement. This is my escape cave when the wife and daughter have taken over the LR to watch Biggest Loser or something similar. In the basement, I just have room for a 32" TV, FiOS box, and blu player.

I first tried setting the blu to downmix to a DD track, but realized that it downmixes to stereo just fine w/ the lossless track instead, and sounds better, too.

Doug

[charlieray1]

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

edit: would it be better to select the lossy track? some people just prefer a 2 channel set up for what ever reason.

Yes! If the choice is between hearing the complete lossy soundtrack or hearing just a portion of the soundtrack in lossless audio . . . lossy obviously wins.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by charlieray1

Yes! If the choice is between hearing the complete lossy soundtrack or hearing just a portion of the soundtrack in lossless audio . . . lossy obviously wins.

I agree. If a person has a 2.0 or 2.1 setup and there's a lossy Dolby Digital 2.0 track then that would be the better choice over a lossless track. There are a few 2.0 lossless tracks out there, but they are heavily outnumbered by 5.1 and 7.1.

[Kyo28]

I have all three season and they all play just fine. My setup is:
- PS3
- Onkyo TX-SR607 receiver
- 5.1 B&W speaker & subwoofer setup

I've watched them all in DTS HD MA 7.1 and had no problems at all. However, I think this really depends on your setup and people watching those with their TV speakers might be better off with the lossy 2.0. I tried the DTS HD MA 7.1 through my TV speakers but also didn't notice any problems, except that I had to turn up the volume a few notches.