Xbox addon sales numbers in..

[b2bonez]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Yes, 42K is a decent number, but I doubt it can be sustained for future months. December sales could be 20K, and then it will fall off rapidly.

Where is that 35K number coming from? What happened to 70K?

Gary

P.S. Now we know why the negative BD stuff came flying out. HD DVD isn't living up to projections. A few weeks to go, and 250K players and 150K add-ons need to sell to meet projections.

Every time I see those inflated numbers for HD-DVD, all I do is look at the numbers for DVD back when it started. 315,136 DVD players were sold in 1997 and that was with every unit a plug compatible replacement for VCR players. All of these wild eyed predictions are pure BS. How they come up with them is beyond me...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...advdsales.html

b2b

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by b2bonez

. All of these wild eyed predictions are pure BS. How they come up with them is beyond me...

That's just for 2006 (300K players and 200K add-ons). The 2007/2008 predictions from the Toshiba president are beyond insane:

2007: 4 million players
2008: 8 million players and 20 million PC drives

Gary

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's just for 2006 (300K players and 200K add-ons). The 2007/2008 predictions from the Toshiba president are beyond insane:

2007: 4 million players
2008: 8 million players and 20 million PC drives

Gary

That is completely ridiculous, 20m PC drives, they don't even have an IDE drive out and the recordable media specs are at 0.9 status (i.e. not finalised). WTF is he smoking, whatever it is, it is most definitely stronger than whatever they smoke at AVS.

[ay221]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's just for 2006 (300K players and 200K add-ons). The 2007/2008 predictions from the Toshiba president are beyond insane:

2007: 4 million players
2008: 8 million players and 20 million PC drives

Gary

Are there even enough used computer parts for Toshiba to make that many players?

[dialog_gvf]

In case you all think I'm smoking something:

Toshiba debuts second-gen HD DVD players

Yoshihide Fujii, president of Toshiba Digital Network

Toshiba predicts the HD DVD market will grow to nearly four million units by next year and over eight million by 2008. "In 2008, 20 million PCs will have HD DVD drives," Fujii predicted, adding that PC drives will surpass HD DVD players by 2008.

Gary

[Ascended_Saiyan]

LOL! They have a REALLY long way to go. They haven't even shipped 200,000 of their 2nd gen players yet and it's almost next year.

Waiter, I'll have what he's having!

[WriteSimply]

A few things needs to happen within the next three months, including my other CES predictions:

a) Panasonic, Sony and Pioneer would have to come up with a firmware that will enable these players to do TrueHD and DTS HDMA

b) Samsung to release second gen player that is much better than their first, with native 1080p60 at least and of course advance lossless audio decoding

c) The BDA finalizing the rewritable standards so that players can read what is being burned on the PC.

d) The price of BD burner drives goes down by a couple hundred dollars.

e) Apple and PC manufacturers to support BD drives OEM.

f) Shaving Ryan's Privates finally arriving on BD.

Even if things happen up to e), BD won't need Universal to turn the tide. By then, the BD wave is a tsunami.


fuad

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

Wasnt this suppossed to neutralize the ps3's BD player impact? 42 thousand seems like a tiny amount, however that is about how many hddvd players toshiba sold in 6 months, so i guess their userbase doubled, actually it probably didn't...(avs'rs probably bought a large amount of these) as they sold out on amazon (their haven), but retailers have had them pretty handily. I'd guess that close to half of these sold were to people who already owned a buggy A1/XA1 (like me) and wanted to watch "End of Days" without it studdering all over the place

Other factors:

- People willing to spend only $200 are likely less willing to spend a lot on movie discs.
- How long after the initial thrill does the fan noise become an issue?
- How about the nagging knowledge you can never get DVD upconversion or HD audio? (Who cares, when the fanboys make such a big deal of that normally?)
- That bible of HD DVD camp: thedvdwars.com shows a negative trend after the add-on and a flat trend for BD after the PS/3.

How are the add-on sales at your store? Did you get any A2s yet (that sounds like it is buggier than the A1!)?

Gary

[Jim]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

f) Shaving Ryan's Privates finally arriving on BD.



fuad

Or any movie with Brock Masters!!

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by b2bonez

Every time I see those inflated numbers for HD-DVD, all I do is look at the numbers for DVD back when it started. 315,136 DVD players were sold in 1997 and that was with every unit a plug compatible replacement for VCR players. All of these wild eyed predictions are pure BS. How they come up with them is beyond me...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...advdsales.html

b2b

I dug an old post from the Deci-vault
(Most that info if not all I got from the DVD FAQ):

DVD

The first players appeared in Japan in November, 1996, followed by U.S. players in March, 1997. Prices for the first players in 1997 were $1000 and up. By the end of 2000, players were available for under $100 at discount retailers. In 2003 players became available for under $50. Six years after the initial launch, close to one thousand models of DVD players were available from over a hundred consumer electronics manufacturers

DVD discs

The first titles released in the U.S., on March 19, 1997, by Lumivision, authored by AIX Entertainment, were IMAX adaptations.
The Warner Bros. U.S. launch followed on March 24.

8 months of HD-DVD and 5 months of Blu-ray...

lets see

my rough calculations:

DVD player sales in 8 first months: 272,500, HD-DVD players (includes game console): 77,000?
DVD player sales in 5 first months: 144,000, BD players (includes game console): 222,000? (Anybody have good figures of the BD stand-alones?)


Why can't we have a table like the Bits link for HD?