the BDA need to call them out on this

[joeorc]

Promotional Group announces record HD DVD hardware sales following Black
Friday

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Following landmark Black Friday
promotions through major retail chains, the North American HD DVD
Promotional Group today announced that sales of dedicated HD DVD players
exceeded the 750,000 mark. The data is based on retailer reports and other
point of sale data, and includes standalone set-top players as well as the
Xbox 360 HD DVD player.

"HD DVD continues to gain momentum and market share with consumers,"
said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for
Universal Studios Home Entertainment, and co-president of the HD DVD
Promotional Group. "With more than four weeks left for holiday shopping, HD
DVD is turning out to be a perfect consumer electronics gift."

HD DVD continues to step up marketing and education efforts, helping
consumers to see the quality and value of the new format. In addition to an
enhanced presence at major retailers, HD DVD has added educational sections
to its website at http://www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4711631&EDATE=


AS WELL AS THE XBOX360 HD DVD player..yea the EXTERNAL DRIVE play's
HD DVD movies , and the people that BUY that ADD ON for the xbox360 are useing it for to play HD DVD movies..but the thing is.....

they count that along the same lines as dedicated....O'L please

dedicated...that's like adding an external Blu-Ray drive to any PC ,because I bought it to watch Blu-Ray movies..

if that is what the HD DVD promotional group wants to count as a dedicated player. the BDA could very well release a ADD on for PC with an EXTERNAL Blu-Ray ROM drive and call it a dedicated Blu-Ray player....

yea 100% stupid HD DVD promotional group....what's next i buy a laptop with a HD DVD drive so now you can add in that too....

but yet they don't count the Playstation 3 as a dedicated Blu-Ray player when they want to TOUT Attach rates...BUT YET IT COUNTS FOR THE XBOX360 ..that's like saying i ADD a Blu-Ray add on to PC's so now i can call my PC a dedicated Blu-Ray player..that is just Silly......but that is exactly what the HD DVD promotional group say's its alright when releaseing total "DEDICATED" player sales #'s

[joeorc]

i guess if that's the way the HD DVD promotional group wants to SKEW the numbers, the BDA is more than HAPPY to take the same stance ..thats what you get for HD DVD wanting to play dirty....

Sub $200 PC Blu-ray Reader Coming From Sony

David Richards - Friday, 12 October 2007

While Sony Australia is talking of an entry level price point for a Blu-ray player at $699, Sony in the US is set to introduce a sub-$200 Blu-ray disc reader for the PC aftermarket in early 2008.

The device will have no burning capabilities for any type of media, said Bob DeMoulin, Sony's marketing manager, branded optical storage. This will be Sony's first foray into the BD reader arena.

"A Blu-ray player at a sub-$200 price point becomes real attractive to the consumer. This is how it was done with DVD-ROM," he said.

Sony's plans include launching an internal drive, and DeMoulin said there is a great case to be made for...

http://www.smarthousenews.com.au/Com...nents/G6L8D4B5

the HD DVD promotional group wanted to bring ADD on drives into this lets see if they cry foul....

[vladittude0583]

Originally Posted by joeorc

Promotional Group announces record HD DVD hardware sales following Black
Friday

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Following landmark Black Friday
promotions through major retail chains, the North American HD DVD
Promotional Group today announced that sales of dedicated HD DVD players
exceeded the 750,000 mark. The data is based on retailer reports and other
point of sale data, and includes standalone set-top players as well as the
Xbox 360 HD DVD player.

"HD DVD continues to gain momentum and market share with consumers,"
said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for
Universal Studios Home Entertainment, and co-president of the HD DVD
Promotional Group. "With more than four weeks left for holiday shopping, HD
DVD is turning out to be a perfect consumer electronics gift."

HD DVD continues to step up marketing and education efforts, helping
consumers to see the quality and value of the new format. In addition to an
enhanced presence at major retailers, HD DVD has added educational sections
to its website at http://www.TheLookAndSoundOfPerfect.com.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4711631&EDATE=


AS WELL AS THE XBOX360 HD DVD player..yea the EXTERNAL DRIVE play's
HD DVD movies , and the people that BUY that ADD ON for the xbox360 are useing it for to play HD DVD movies..but the thing is.....

they count that along the same lines as dedicated....O'L please

dedicated...that's like adding an external Blu-Ray drive to any PC ,because I bought it to watch Blu-Ray movies..

if that is what the HD DVD promotional group wants to count as a dedicated player. the BDA could very well release a ADD on for PC with an EXTERNAL Blu-Ray ROM drive and call it a dedicated Blu-Ray player....

yea 100% stupid HD DVD promotional group....what's next i buy a laptop with a HD DVD drive so now you can add in that too....

but yet they don't count the Playstation 3 as a dedicated Blu-Ray player when they want to TOUT Attach rates...BUT YET IT COUNTS FOR THE XBOX360 ..that's like saying i ADD a Blu-Ray add on to PC's so now i can call my PC a dedicated Blu-Ray player..that is just Silly......but that is exactly what the HD DVD promotional group say's its alright when releaseing total "DEDICATED" player sales #'s

Its just funny to see reports blast away from the HD-DVD camp because they always manipulate the numbers to favor theirs. Heck, since the XBox 360 Add-on is included, then lets count in how many PS3's and Stand-alones were also sold for Black Friday and that should shut them up.

[lokus]

I have a question in to the insiders on whether or not sales figures are going to be released anytime soon for Blu-ray standalone units and the PS3. I am interested to see these numbers and how they compare to HD-DVD.

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by joeorc

The North American HD DVD
Promotional Group today announced that sales of dedicated HD DVD players
exceeded the 750,000 mark. includes standalone set-top players as well as the Xbox 360 HD DVD player

400K HD DUD before 99$ sale =
approx 500K stand alone HD DUD's +
250K approx XBOX 360 HD DUD add ons.

In the "real" world however, you can only count 50% of the HD DUD XBOX 360 add on devices as "active" as, at any given point in time, 50% of the XBOX 360's are in the shop for RROD repairs and the add on cannot be used on it's own (many XBOX 360's break down 3-4 times)

[Bombthroat]

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

400K HD DUD before 99$ sale =
approx 500K stand alone HD DUD's +
250K approx XBOX 360 HD DUD add ons.

In the "real" world however, you can only count 50% of the HD DUD XBOX 360 add on devices as "active" as, at any given point in time, 50% of the XBOX 360's are in the shop for RROD repairs and the add on cannot be used on it's own (many XBOX 360's break down 3-4 times)

That's why they call it a 360. You buy it and send it back to Microsoft for repair and they send it back to you. Rinse and repeat.

Let's see if all these 750k stand-alone player sales actually turn in to software sales for them. Anyone can dump hardware on the market at give-away prices. It remains to be see however, if any considerable percentage will turn in to software sales.

I'd be more inclined to believe these players were either purchased by uneducated (about the format war) significant others or were simply purchased as upscaling DVD players with the option to one day purchase a HDM movie. Afterall, Toshiba themselves have touted their players as upscaling DVD players.

[SDG]

1/3 of their #s are the crap add on for the 360. Most of the rest is the non-High Def hd dvd player

[jayd]

More crazy numbers from crazy Ken Graffeo. When are Universal going to sack him, he is loopy.

[unreal1080p]

Originally Posted by Bombthroat

Afterall, Toshiba themselves have touted their players as upscaling DVD players.

Yes, I caught that on the single HD DVD commercial I saw this past Sunday (during NFL Football) and remember thinking to myself "how pathetic"

[Bombthroat]

Response from Scott Hettrick http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com.