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Old 11-28-2007, 03:44 PM   #21
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But even in that case, their peripheral vision is not getting active image area, which is another key reason why that 30-degree viewing angle is so important to replicate a "movie experience". It's not just about detail. It's about an experience.
If the "movie experience" is what we are chasing, then should I downgrade the sound in my home to dolby digital? That is all that the theaters in my area have(very annoying...) I sat the recommended distance from my tv last night and I prefer a smaller viewing angle to the 30 degree angle. My setup right now has a 19 degree angle and I like it much better.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:45 PM   #22
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I have a 57" rear projection and I sit about 8' away, the room is small. However my preference is not too far away. Bigger is better, this is my first tv I ever bought its 1080p but I wish I bought the 67".
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:53 PM   #23
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But even in that case, their peripheral vision is not getting active image area, which is another key reason why that 30-degree viewing angle is so important to replicate a "movie experience". It's not just about detail. It's about an experience.
Oh I completely agree here. Having the image take up a large field of view is going to be way more immersive than sitting further back. I was going more with the concept that there's usually no "wrong" distance to be seated relative to a screen, and most people with ordinary living room arrangements will probably never reach the extremes where either the human vision becomes the limitation, or the equipment (screendoor effect).
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:28 PM   #24
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If the "movie experience" is what we are chasing, then should I downgrade the sound in my home to dolby digital? That is all that the theaters in my area have(very annoying...)
The compromises of a particular theater venue are obviously not what I was suggesting. It's about "artistic intention" which, for movies, includes wide-angle viewing. Let's not belabor having to defend the obvious... please? That's "so HD DVD" to even argue that way...



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I sat the recommended distance from my tv last night and I prefer a smaller viewing angle to the 30 degree angle. My setup right now has a 19 degree angle and I like it much better.
No one said you can't prefer to sit farther away than the artist intended. Go for it. Just know what you're deviating from the optimal viewing scenario that would more fully communicated the effect that the creators were after.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:04 PM   #25
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so my 40" samsung is not big enough? its in a small room, some say they thought it was a 50"
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:40 PM   #26
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But even in that case, their peripheral vision is not getting active image area, which is another key reason why that 30-degree viewing angle is so important to replicate a "movie experience". It's not just about detail. It's about an experience.
Oh, yes. I just pointed out some people can see the detail from less wide viewing angles.


Myself I prefer the widest viewing angle possible , movies are virtual reality on Deciland . I watch movies at about 2 PH (2 PH from the actual image height), much much wider than 30 degrees. Specially for Scope movies that are about 1.3x wider (<- depends on if the screen is curved ) than standard widescreen.

THX TAP specs seating between 3.6 PH and 1.4 PH (min 36 degrees horizontal viewing angle (for Scope ratio pictures), and max 35 degree vertical viewing angle)
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:43 AM   #27
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so my 40" samsung is not big enough? its in a small room, some say they thought it was a 50"
It's not how big the TV is. It's how big it is *relative* to the distance that you watch it from.

As long as you're @ 1.5 screen-widths away, you're getting a wide-angle image.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:18 PM   #28
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It's not how big the TV is. It's how big it is *relative* to the distance that you watch it from.

As long as you're @ 1.5 screen-widths away, you're getting a wide-angle image.
My wife keeps telling me the same thing! She keeps saying "It doesn't matter how big it is, size doesn't matter, it's how you use it." Then again mine is 60" (diagonal)
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My wife keeps telling me the same thing! She keeps saying "It doesn't matter how big it is, size doesn't matter, it's how you use it." Then again mine is 60" (diagonal)
lol
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It's not how big the TV is. It's how big it is *relative* to the distance that you watch it from.

As long as you're @ 1.5 screen-widths away, you're getting a wide-angle image.
so how far should i sit from this tv? my room is pretty small, but frome wall to wall its about 8 feet wide.so should i sit all the way towards the wall?
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:07 PM   #31
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I have a 57" rear projection and I sit about 8' away, the room is small. However my preference is not too far away. Bigger is better, this is my first tv I ever bought its 1080p but I wish I bought the 67".
Ok, I sit 7.5' away from my 67" Samsung 1080P DLP and its HEAVEN!!! On the box it says "recommended viewing distance 8 to 16 feet"; I would definietly go with a 65" 1080P DLP if i was you.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:33 PM   #32
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so how far should i sit from this tv? my room is pretty small, but frome wall to wall its about 8 feet wide.so should i sit all the way towards the wall?
Ignore the "diagonal" measurement on your set. Grab a ruler Measure the left-right width of the screen.

Now multiply that time 1.5

That's the approximate distance that would put you in the "high def sweet spot"

NOTE: not all displays are of high enough quality to allow a proper "wide angle" viewing distance. I've noticed many plasmas that have "screen door" artifacts that would be distracting at this distance. I've also seen some LCD and DLP sets that use digital processors that create distracting digital artifacts from 1.5 screen-widths... artifacts that aren't part of the source. If a particular display's own artifacts become obvious at a 1.5 distance, IMO, it doesn't deserve the "high definition" label regardless of any specs it may have.
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I've noticed many plasmas that have "screen door" artifacts that would be distracting at this distance.
Do you mean screen door, or motion dither? I seriously can't tolerate the latter in plasmas myself.
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I have 65 DLP 1080P and depending on what side of the room you sit, Your either 7 feet away of 8-9 feet away.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:45 PM   #35
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Do you mean screen door, or motion dither? I seriously can't tolerate the latter in plasmas myself.
"screen door"

Plasmas use side-by-side red, green, and blue phosphers similar to CRT monitors... and they look that way too. A CRT had a "screen door" from the shadow-mask. And Plasmas get a screen-look to them from the actual/discrete red/green/blue elements side-by-side on the screen (usually surrounding by a gap or some sort of wiring structure). LCDs are usually better this way bcs the red/green/blue pixels aren't side-by-side... they stack into a single pixel to the eye.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:42 PM   #36
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Ah I okay know what you mean now.
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I have a 50" and I sit about 6 feet from it. Sometimes I think it's too small and I should have got the 56".
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Ignore the "diagonal" measurement on your set. Grab a ruler Measure the left-right width of the screen.

Now multiply that time 1.5

That's the approximate distance that would put you in the "high def sweet spot"
David you have to sit closer man! That 1.5 sweet spot is kind of ok for 1.85 movies (2.78 PH) but for Scope movies (3.6 PH) is more like a dot to me, like sitting in the last row of a theater or what a projectionist would see from his booth
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Old 12-01-2007, 06:42 PM   #39
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David you have to sit closer man! That 1.5 sweet spot is kind of ok for 1.85 movies (2.78 PH) but for Scope movies (3.6 PH) is more like a dot to me, like sitting in the last row of a theater or what a projectionist would see from his booth
You're right. My 1.5/width thing is geared towards a 16x9/@1.85:1 ratio. basically 2.35 should just "get wider" in constant-height methodology from there.
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