81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[Tok]

Maybe the crowd over at AVS will understand.

Or maybe they will understand HD DVD just got pwn'd

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

The scope of your socalled strategic decision is too small, ignores the direct relationship between tactical and strategic and fails to contemplate WB's direct impact on the format vis-a-vis the tactical data. If one format were to outsell the other 3:1 thru the holiday season then WB could foreseeably believe that they directly can end the war thereby dramatically cutting production & marketing costs to maximize profit. This strategic decision stems directly from the tactical elements of today's HDM market.

To pretend that the tactical is too immaterial to matter in a strategic context is direly flawed.

Strategic decisions naturally fall out of the tactical situation. I didn't say the unit counts don't matter. I said that any decision won't be tactical.

And if Warner were to make a tactical production/marketing cost decision, then I would say that is a statement that HDM is floundering.

A decision made to attempt to end the war is strategic.

Gary

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

That's lazy, sad and disappointing. Published stats have to round or else you ALWAYS benefit the losing side.

BTW I'm angry not as a blu-ray guy but as a Director of Financial Analysis... hate misleading stats.

This is standard practice and not something to get upset about.

You think it's unfair this way because it always "favors" the loser.

Think of it a different way, if you truly round, rounding up from 65.5 to 66 is a bigger difference than rounding from 65.49 to 65. That's also unfair.

Don't get so worked up over it.

[GregBlu5]

Originally Posted by CraigW

Maybe the crowd over at AVS will understand.

Or maybe they will understand HD DVD just got pwn'd

The real issue when you've found yourself stuck with a dead or dying format is when to dump the hardware and software so that you can get *something* back for it when you do. As you point out here, I think that time is fast approaching for HD.

[bluperch]

Love the full-page ad. Awesome. And Ocean's 13 being 16,730 BD to 10,080 HD DVD (though would love to see an even bigger disparity).

And also thanks to Die Hard selling 100,000, thus making the math very easy to do.

[Cyorg]

Originally Posted by Razzy

If it was reported 72.6 shouldn't that be rounded up to 73?

HD DVD needed a moral victory.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

But... does J6P read Home Media Magazine?

~Alan

I thought the same thing.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Strategic decisions naturally fall out of the tactical situation. I didn't say the unit counts don't matter. I said that any decision won't be tactical.

And if Warner were to make a tactical production/marketing cost decision, then I would say that is a statement that HDM is floundering.

A decision made to attempt to end the war is strategic.

Gary

Your original statement seemed to suggest that they wouldn't be so concerned with specific sales data due to its tactical nature. Maybe that is not what you meant.

[cking2729]

Wow, Open Season and Spiderman 3 being so strong on the charts show that Best Buy and friends moved some serious units on BF. If I'm not mistaken, Open Season was given with a PS3 and Spidey 3 was given with BD SA's. Spidey 3 is obviously a popular title regardless, but Open Season shows that PS3's are pretty friggin popular this holiday season.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

This is standard practice and not something to get upset about.

You think it's unfair this way because it always "favors" the loser.

Think of it a different way, if you truly round, rounding up from 65.5 to 66 is a bigger difference than rounding from 65.49 to 65. That's also unfair.

Don't get so worked up over it.

I'm not actually worked up over this, but the poor usage of statistics is epidemic these days and that is pitiful.

As for your alternate take on rounding... sorry, but that just isn't how rounding works, and no it isn't unfair to do it correctly. However I'll entertain your idea and make a better comparison.

You said:

"rounding up from 65.5 to 66 is a bigger difference than rounding from 65.49 to 65. That's also unfair."

Really? What's more unfair...

Their current practice of taking 65.99% and rounding it down to 65% (a 0.99 szied delta) or your hypothetic of taking 65.5% and rounding it up (a 0.50 difference)? Just doesn't compute.

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Strategic decisions naturally fall out of the tactical situation. I didn't say the unit counts don't matter. I said that any decision won't be tactical.

A decision made to attempt to end the war is strategic.

Gary

I've been trying to say for awhile that any decision by Warner will be strategic. I'm just not sure if they feel their best strategy is to end this war. Their strategy thus far has served them pretty well. I'm not convinced that they WANT to be the studio that ends the war... as much as we'd all like them to be.

[Blu Titan]

Shrek The Third (2nd week) was the 2nd Highest seller DVD for the week, but it got OWNED by Ratatouille (in its 3rd week) on the HD side

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Anyone notice that HDM always picks a really lame movie to feature in the "Hi-Def This Week" section? This week they feature HD-DVD's "Arctic Tale", which I've never even heard of, over POTC or Superbad. I'm not really talking so much about bias, but they always feature something stupid.

[badboi]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

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Damn. I always wondered what Lee and Kosty looked like.

[bbg]

It's great to see that week after week Blu-ray is widening their lead in the Hi Def race.

I'm curious to see how the Amazon.com stats end up being for the week ending 11/25/07:

http://blu-raystats.com/percentages.php

Any predictions?

(I know Amazon isn't the best measure to go by, I'm just curious is all)

[bluperch]

Originally Posted by GregBlu5

The real issue when you've found yourself stuck with a dead or dying format is when to dump the hardware and software so that you can get *something* back for it when you do. As you point out here, I think that time is fast approaching for HD.

I wonder what this will do to Toshiba computer sales (for the Tosh's that have the HD DVD drives). It would be interesting to see if people don't buy Tosh computers because they're afraid the format could go away. Though I suspect people who will buy computers with either HD DVD or blu-ray are people who have already chosen a side rather than people new to the format wars. I suspect there will be a few people who buy the new computers who are surprised later to find out it has an HD DVD or blu-ray drive in it.

[Alan Gordon]

I'm not trying to downplay the events by any means, BUT could someone better at math than me give a rough estimate of how much percentage points "Open Season" contributed to the ratio?

~Alan

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by The Don

so pretty much..Open Season sold 1 copy for every 2 copies of LFoDH and that puts Open Season around 40-45k sold for that week...

not too shabby for a long lasting catalog title

This is because it was a giveaway at best buy with each ps3 sale.

You could say that best buy was responsible for selling 50K ps3 on black friday.

[Steverhcp02]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

This is because it was a giveaway at best buy with each ps3 sale.

You could say that best buy was responsible for selling 50K ps3 on black friday.

only 40gb as well. doesnt even count the 80gb

[Tok]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

This is because it was a giveaway at best buy with each ps3 sale.

You could say that best buy was responsible for selling 50K ps3 on black friday.

Those don't count as BD players, at least according to Toshiba.