Owning HDM vs. Downloading - Blu-ray Forum

dogger114 · 12-12-2007, 12:34 PM

I was just wondering how many people out there would rather download HD movies over owning a disc.

I personally rather own the disc for many reasons. Some being the time it take to download, the storage capacity limitations and the fact that you would still need to burn a copy to let someone borrow it.

I was just wonering what everyone's take on this. I would have done a poll but I did not know how too.

blukrank · 12-12-2007, 12:41 PM

No downloading for me think you. I like buying the movies I love.I like having my movies sitting on my shelf and being able to watch them anytime I want.And since I paid for it I dont need to pay to watch them again and again. With downloading you will probably have to pay each time you want to watch a movie-I'm I right?

Exodus · 12-12-2007, 12:42 PM

I'd rather own the disc also. You never know what might happen to a hard drive. Downloading, like many have said, is very far off. Hard drives are getting cheaper by the day but the ability to download at high speeds is not available to everyone and who knows how long it would take to download a movie in HD. I would have though B&M stores would have commented on this, I would think that it would hit hard to lose all their movie sales.

Go Blu · 12-12-2007, 12:46 PM

I must have the physical disc.

If your data storage ever took a bomb and you didn't have a backup you'd be SOL. Or have to go through all the trouble of having to re-download your entire library. No thanks!

Imagine this each movie were 30-50Gigs now lets say you have a library of 250-300 movies. We would all have to have a server rack in our basements!

tiger roach · 12-12-2007, 12:51 PM

I too want the packaged disc. I believe there are enough of us to keep packaged media alive even if/when downloads become quicker and popular.

I may use downloads for some things, but for movies that I really love I want the disc.

stofferdk · 12-12-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Go Blu

I must have the physical disc.

If your data storage ever took a bomb and you didn't have a backup you'd be SOL. Or have to go through all the trouble of having to re-download your entire library. No thanks!

Imagine this each movie were 30-50Gigs now lets say you have a library of 250-300 movies. We would all have to have a server rack in our basements!

now we all know that is not going to happen. When Microsoft finally finalizes their evil plan and uses the poor HD-DVD camp to crush Blu Ray and optical media in general - we will get 1GB uber compressed HD movies. But hey! That dosent matter, because the SUPER EFFICIENT, better than AVC and "we-dont-need-high-bitrates" codec VC-1 is going to do miracles.

PossumPete · 12-12-2007, 12:56 PM

Discs for me! Ever download a song from itunes and it sounds like crap (technically they all do since they're sonically crushed)? That's what downloaded movies will be like.

maximiza · 12-12-2007, 01:01 PM

Disk media will never die, you can't ebay a download or lend a download to a friend. Also if you look at old vinyl records and 8 tracks there are still collectors for them. A download is the ultimate ripoff, it is like all windows OS, you have a license to use it but never really own it. Screw any more ideas like that for the future.

lch · 12-12-2007, 12:57 PM

it took me about 2 full days to download Transformer hd-dvd (26gb) on 3mbps line. i don't want to do it again.

btw, is hd-dvd pip features not full fps ?
i download transformer to test my powerdvd to see if my system is smooth enough and was trying out their much boasted pip and i feel the movie playing at full fps while the pip look like skipping frame (although is only a very small little sd windows blocking the main movie).

kiskiboy97 · 12-12-2007, 01:05 PM

Not for me, either. I just posted this in another thread.

Rustmonsteru · 12-12-2007, 01:13 PM

Real World Media all the way. I can't resell a used download on ebay or at the local shop when I no longer care about it.

dogger114 · 12-12-2007, 01:09 PM

There are a lot of factors to look into here. It will be a while until the download functionality is where it should be. Are you paying for the full movie or are you renting it for a one time viewing. I know a lot of us can care less about the extras on a disc but there are some discs that have extras worth watching not to mention the deleted scenes. If you download a whole HD movie to you harddrive it would probably take up 10-15 gb of space times this by (say the average person downloads 50 movies per year) 750gb. You would have to by a 1TB hard drive a year not to mention storage cases. And what if your sytem crashes you are screwed.

tron3 · 12-12-2007, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogger114

I was just wondering how many people out there would rather download HD movies over owning a disc.

I personally rather own the disc for many reasons. Some being the time it take to download, the storage capacity limitations and the fact that you would still need to burn a copy to let someone borrow it.

I was just wonering what everyone's take on this. I would have done a poll but I did not know how too.

Good thread Dogger.

A poll would have been pointless because as buyers of blu-ray, it is pretty obvious most of us prefer the hard media.

There is just a certain conveinence with owning the disk you don't get with a PC. You don't have to wait a couple of minutes for you player to "boot". My Sony BDP-S300 is ready in 45 seconds, and even the worst BD-J disc now loads under 2 minutes. That will only improve with newer players.

If your player crashes, it doesn't destroy your disc. A hard drive crash could destroy all your movies. Nor is your player going to get an update in the middle of playing and slow down, and demand a reboot. It is just too many little annoyances that makes watching a movie on a PC totally stupid.

Besides, with the registration process and billing, MS could be trying to revive DIV-X all over again. Every time you play the movie, you pay a fee. Don't think it could happen? I envy your bliss.

w_tanoto · 12-12-2007, 01:36 PM

I am very AGAINST of downloading. I'd rather have the HDM (even if it's HD DUD, I would prefer HD DUD over download)

Deane Johnson · 12-12-2007, 01:37 PM

Downloading makes no sense in a high def world. MS is thinking greed, not reality.

Now, it might make sense to those who want to distribute movies free to their friends like they now do music. I wonder why the studios would want to recreate the rip-off music era with movies for free for everyone.

shock_terminal · 12-12-2007, 01:44 PM

This is one thing I agree with Microsoft on

Quote:

The research that we have showed that our audience is an audience that wants to rent movies through their Xbox 360. And if you want to buy something a lot of people want to buy it on DVD and have the physical media right now. That's a market that's very healthy and will continue to be so. Obviously we provide an HD DVD accessory that plays to that market and continues to buy the HD format.

Downloading/Streaming works great for rentals, I use it all the time.
But if you want to own it then a Disk is the way to go.

ajkj9 · 12-12-2007, 01:41 PM

I just don't see how downloading entire movie collections would be practical. File sizes are too big, too much time to download, and i just don't see how it would make companies any money. Say they do compress it to about 1 gig. I copy it to my flash drive. I could then share it with all my friends without losing any quality from the original, all within a few minutes. I think that would be a huge problem companies would face and one of the many reasons it would fail.

ajkj9 · 12-12-2007, 01:43 PM

haha nice looks like johnson posted my point before i could

bhampton · 12-12-2007, 02:01 PM

I think it sort of goes back to the concept of "convergence".

It's not much of a secret anymore that computers make great players when it comes to digital media. Back in 1999 though,.. Lots of people wanted a high end DVD player over a Home Theater PC.

So,.. fast forward to now and you see more computers getting into what was traditional hi-fi gear. My Ps3 is a home theater pc for the most part (thankfully a HTPC that gets around MicroSoft's crappy OS software.)

I just think that traditional hifi gear will reject computers taking over. And I reject the idea that my movies should be on hard drives. If I wanted to have my movies on hard drives I would need at least 2 copies in case one of them had a failure the way Hard drives do. Therefore,.. if I could get something compare-able to say Casino Royale on Blu Ray we are suddenly looking at 100GB of hard drive space. Since the disc is more reliable and available for under $20 easily,... I would rather avoid the hard drive option.

-Brian

DrinkMore · 12-12-2007, 02:33 PM

I will buy PHYSICAL MEDIA only. I will never buy a download. Makes no sense.

I rent movies with my cable provider - but I don't buy them. That's fine by me. However I just don't understand why anyone would purchase a 50gig HD movie and have to worry about DRM, how many times you can play it, move it, copy it and worst of all - your drive craps out and it's gone.

Umm, no thanks. I like the purddy discs and piktures. I will be happy to spend my hard earned bux to enjoy them.

12-12-2007, 12:34 PM	#1
dogger114 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rockland, MA Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:1019 Blu-ray reviews:1	Owning HDM vs. Downloading I was just wondering how many people out there would rather download HD movies over owning a disc. I personally rather own the disc for many reasons. Some being the time it take to download, the storage capacity limitations and the fact that you would still need to burn a copy to let someone borrow it. I was just wonering what everyone's take on this. I would have done a poll but I did not know how too.

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12-12-2007, 12:41 PM	#2
blukrank Senior Member Member since:Mar 2006 Location:MO Blu-ray collection:224 Blu-ray reviews:5	No downloading for me think you. I like buying the movies I love.I like having my movies sitting on my shelf and being able to watch them anytime I want.And since I paid for it I dont need to pay to watch them again and again. With downloading you will probably have to pay each time you want to watch a movie-I'm I right?

12-12-2007, 12:42 PM	#3
Exodus Member Member since:Aug 2007	I'd rather own the disc also. You never know what might happen to a hard drive. Downloading, like many have said, is very far off. Hard drives are getting cheaper by the day but the ability to download at high speeds is not available to everyone and who knows how long it would take to download a movie in HD. I would have though B&M stores would have commented on this, I would think that it would hit hard to lose all their movie sales.

12-12-2007, 12:46 PM	#4
Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	I must have the physical disc. If your data storage ever took a bomb and you didn't have a backup you'd be SOL. Or have to go through all the trouble of having to re-download your entire library. No thanks! Imagine this each movie were 30-50Gigs now lets say you have a library of 250-300 movies. We would all have to have a server rack in our basements!

12-12-2007, 12:51 PM	#5
tiger roach Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:141 Blu-ray reviews:1	I too want the packaged disc. I believe there are enough of us to keep packaged media alive even if/when downloads become quicker and popular. I may use downloads for some things, but for movies that I really love I want the disc.

12-12-2007, 12:56 PM	#7
PossumPete Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northeast NC 4K collection:523 Blu-ray collection:2669 MA collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	Discs for me! Ever download a song from itunes and it sounds like crap (technically they all do since they're sonically crushed)? That's what downloaded movies will be like.

12-12-2007, 01:01 PM	#8
maximiza Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Queens Village, NYC	Disk media will never die, you can't ebay a download or lend a download to a friend. Also if you look at old vinyl records and 8 tracks there are still collectors for them. A download is the ultimate ripoff, it is like all windows OS, you have a license to use it but never really own it. Screw any more ideas like that for the future.

12-12-2007, 12:57 PM	#9
lch Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:813 Blu-ray reviews:1	it took me about 2 full days to download Transformer hd-dvd (26gb) on 3mbps line. i don't want to do it again. btw, is hd-dvd pip features not full fps ? i download transformer to test my powerdvd to see if my system is smooth enough and was trying out their much boasted pip and i feel the movie playing at full fps while the pip look like skipping frame (although is only a very small little sd windows blocking the main movie).

12-12-2007, 01:05 PM	#10
kiskiboy97 Blu-ray reviewer Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:2	Not for me, either. I just posted this in another thread.

12-12-2007, 01:13 PM	#11
Rustmonsteru Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007	Real World Media all the way. I can't resell a used download on ebay or at the local shop when I no longer care about it.

12-12-2007, 01:09 PM	#12
dogger114 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rockland, MA Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:1019 Blu-ray reviews:1	There are a lot of factors to look into here. It will be a while until the download functionality is where it should be. Are you paying for the full movie or are you renting it for a one time viewing. I know a lot of us can care less about the extras on a disc but there are some discs that have extras worth watching not to mention the deleted scenes. If you download a whole HD movie to you harddrive it would probably take up 10-15 gb of space times this by (say the average person downloads 50 movies per year) 750gb. You would have to by a 1TB hard drive a year not to mention storage cases. And what if your sytem crashes you are screwed.

12-12-2007, 01:36 PM	#14
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	I am very AGAINST of downloading. I'd rather have the HDM (even if it's HD DUD, I would prefer HD DUD over download)

12-12-2007, 01:37 PM	#15
Deane Johnson Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Omaha, NE	Downloading makes no sense in a high def world. MS is thinking greed, not reality. Now, it might make sense to those who want to distribute movies free to their friends like they now do music. I wonder why the studios would want to recreate the rip-off music era with movies for free for everyone.

12-12-2007, 01:41 PM	#17
ajkj9 Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Nebraska Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:1	I just don't see how downloading entire movie collections would be practical. File sizes are too big, too much time to download, and i just don't see how it would make companies any money. Say they do compress it to about 1 gig. I copy it to my flash drive. I could then share it with all my friends without losing any quality from the original, all within a few minutes. I think that would be a huge problem companies would face and one of the many reasons it would fail.

12-12-2007, 01:43 PM	#18
ajkj9 Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Nebraska Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:1	haha nice looks like johnson posted my point before i could

12-12-2007, 02:01 PM	#19
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	I think it sort of goes back to the concept of "convergence". It's not much of a secret anymore that computers make great players when it comes to digital media. Back in 1999 though,.. Lots of people wanted a high end DVD player over a Home Theater PC. So,.. fast forward to now and you see more computers getting into what was traditional hi-fi gear. My Ps3 is a home theater pc for the most part (thankfully a HTPC that gets around MicroSoft's crappy OS software.) I just think that traditional hifi gear will reject computers taking over. And I reject the idea that my movies should be on hard drives. If I wanted to have my movies on hard drives I would need at least 2 copies in case one of them had a failure the way Hard drives do. Therefore,.. if I could get something compare-able to say Casino Royale on Blu Ray we are suddenly looking at 100GB of hard drive space. Since the disc is more reliable and available for under $20 easily,... I would rather avoid the hard drive option. -Brian

12-12-2007, 02:33 PM	#20
DrinkMore Banned Member since:Apr 2007 Location:That's What She Said! Blu-ray collection:140 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:3	I will buy PHYSICAL MEDIA only. I will never buy a download. Makes no sense. I rent movies with my cable provider - but I don't buy them. That's fine by me. However I just don't understand why anyone would purchase a 50gig HD movie and have to worry about DRM, how many times you can play it, move it, copy it and worst of all - your drive craps out and it's gone. Umm, no thanks. I like the purddy discs and piktures. I will be happy to spend my hard earned bux to enjoy them.

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