The Matrix 4?

[The Dragon]

"Free your mind."

[Boothill Gunslinger]

The masses always cry and say, "Why?" when it comes to sequels. Well, "Why the heck not?" is what I say. There have been some fascinating sequels over the years. Besides, sometimes, it's just plain fun to revisit certain characters, worlds, situations, etc. that became so much a part of our lives in the initial releases. Who knows? Matrix 4 and 5 could be a redemption for the W. Brothers. All you sequel complainers...STOP COMPLAINING! If you don't like sequels, then don't watch them! Here's proof that sequels are worth it:

AWESOME SEQUELS

Indiana Jones 2 & 3
Lethal Weapon 2, 3, & 4
Terminator 2
Die Hard 2 & 3
Toy Story 2 & 3
Spider-Man 2
Drunken Master 2
Evil Dead 2 & Army Of Darkness
Aliens
The Lord Of The Rings 2 & 3
Back To The Future 3
The Empire Strikes Back
The Godfather: Part 2
Dawn Of The Dead
Ice Age 2
Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan
The Dark Knight
The Road Warrior

Honorable Mentions:

Iron Man 2
Predator 2

And there are many more. So stop complaining already...sheesh!

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by Atreyuu2003

The masses always cry and say, "Why?" when it comes to sequels. Well, "Why the heck not?" is what I say. There have been some fascinating sequels over the years. Besides, sometimes, it's just plain fun to revisit certain characters, worlds, situations, etc. that became so much a part of our lives in the initial releases. Who knows? Matrix 4 and 5 could be a redemption for the W. Brothers. All you sequel complainers...STOP COMPLAINING! If you don't like sequels, then don't watch them! Here's proof that sequels are worth it:

AWESOME SEQUELS

Indiana Jones 2 & 3
Lethal Weapon 2, 3, & 4
Terminator 2
Die Hard 2 & 3
Toy Story 2 & 3
Spider-Man 2
Drunken Master 2
Evil Dead 2 & Army Of Darkness
Aliens
The Lord Of The Rings 2 & 3
Back To The Future 3
The Empire Strikes Back
The Godfather: Part 2
Dawn Of The Dead
Ice Age 2
Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan
The Dark Knight
The Road Warrior

Honorable Mentions:

Iron Man 2
Predator 2

And there are many more. So stop complaining already...sheesh!

Just to add to your list above - The Bourne Supremacy / The Bourne Ultimatum

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Just to add to your list above - The Bourne Supremacy / The Bourne Ultimatum

and last but not least: Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2!! Love it!

[partridge]

I'm not questioning sequels, but there's always an air of desperation when a franchise that effectively closed several years back suddenly gets revisited.

Plently of people wish the three new star wars films had never been made.

Some are good, some are bad. Personally I don't think there's anything to be gained by revisiting the Matrix. Would I go and see it? Almost certainly I would. But I'm not clamouring for one. Tron Legacy was ok, but not worthy of the hype it received beforehand. I enjoyed Terminator 4 more, but it doesn't look as though 5 & 6 will ever get made.

It's all very well saying ignore them, but there's money being spent on utter rubbish and that makes me mad when there are almost certainly better stories out there, but studios won't touch them because they want to play it safe.

[Malik True]

I'll probably see it, but count me in the camp of those who feel the last two were just mediocre. If the fights scenes are a retread of the previous films, specifically the last two I will not even look at the 5th film.

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by Kyo28

I think the first movie worked very well as a stand alone story: it has action, some romance, sci-fi and a big twist (the fact that reality isn't wat it seems to be). Thematically, it pushes us to question: What is reality?

The other two movies, in my opinion, asked different but just as much intriguing questions: does purpose define us? Do we really have the freedom of choice as individuals or is that just an illusion? Is an easy life bereft of freedom preferable over a life of hardship but with freedom of choice?

On the surface, I think you can say the second two didn't have the same wow-factor as the first one had (first time use of bullet time, the realization of what the Matrix really is). But as far as thematical undercurrents go, I find that the sequels ask even more interesting and pertinent questions that the first one did.

I've always found that in general, people who dislike the sequels were less interested in the thematical undercurrent and more in the superficial storyline. The more I rewatch the trilogy, the more I start to prefer the sequels because of the interesting questions it poses us as viewers.

That's just my opinion of course. Each has their own valid reasons for liking or disliking a movie.

Anyway, seems like we can file this sequel in the rumor closet for the time being at least ...

+1. The first film stood completely on its own, much like the first Star Wars film, because they weren't sure if they would be able to make more.

I must be the only person who really loved Matrix Reloaded. The philosphical undercurrents presented in that film really changed from the first one, and it drew me deeper into the proverbial rabbit hole.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

+1. The first film stood completely on its own, much like the first Star Wars film, because they weren't sure if they would be able to make more.

I must be the only person who really loved Matrix Reloaded. The philosphical undercurrents presented in that film really changed from the first one, and it drew me deeper into the proverbial rabbit hole.

+2
The whole triology is a high tech masterpiece on so many levels. I hope they can keep up the pace as they dwell further into said rabbit hole. On a side note are their any talks of a new limited edition coming out?

[LynxFX]

I love me some Matrix as my two cats (Trinity and Morpheus) can confirm.

Bring on the 4th. I would love to see what they can do with that world now.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by kingofgrills

+1. The first film stood completely on its own, much like the first Star Wars film, because they weren't sure if they would be able to make more.

I must be the only person who really loved Matrix Reloaded. The philosphical undercurrents presented in that film really changed from the first one, and it drew me deeper into the proverbial rabbit hole.

+3.

I respect those who hate Reloaded and Revolutions, but then let's face it; we all knew Neo was going to win one way or another, so what do you expect to outcome to be different?

Second, if you prefer to ignore the story and dialogs in Reloaded, that's fine by me; but you still at least have to give credit to that courtyard fight with Smith, as well as the car chase scenes, right?

Finally, I am curious to know about the people in Zion and their side of the story and stuff. So I think the Revolutions has done a good job in focusing a battle inside the Zion dock... though I think that how part can be more intense.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by dmaul1114

Anyway, there just seems to be far too much of people having to in some way insult or be condescending toward people who have different opinions on movies than them on these forums (and movie forums in general).

Not being insulting, just factual (and I think Petra may back me up on this) When the sequel (yes, remember '2' and '3' are one movie), came out - it was different: Much more cerebral, fewer 'wow' moments, because we had already seen 'bullet time' and other stylistic elements. That leaves fewer surprises.

It became more about a story, and unfortunately for the masses, a story about the functional elements of a computer simulation and how humans were used a living parts of the very program code used to run that simulation.

It became multi-leveled when you draw the parallels with human existence, religion, the meaning of life, et cetera.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people posted their disgust with the sequel(s) at that time, and many of the complaints were based on their dislike of the 'philosophy crap'. They wanted 'bang bang'/'chase chase'.

So I'm not knocking them for not getting it, I'm just saying that many people complained that the movies 'sucked'... But really, they were 1) Not what they wanted (more of the same), and 2) Didn't understand what the movies were supposed to be.

I appreciate the subtext of the films and think the Brothers were ballsy for trying to ask big questions to the audience. Unfortunately, not everybody heard the questions.

Someone who posted above me said something about how they didn't like how Neo 'became Superman'... Well, he freed his mind from the presumed rules of the system. He didn't become superman - many have flown before and after superman. If Superman is what somebody sees, I don't fault them for that, but by seeing Superman, you miss what's really going on and unfortunately the operator making mention of Neo 'doin his Superman thing' may not have helped the situation. If Neo had teleported, people would see Nightcrawler. (Shrug) What can you do?

Again, I'm not out to say 'well, he didn't 'get it' so, he's just dumb'. Not what I'm saying at all. But for those that remember - many of the complaints about the movie fell into the two categories from above.

It wasn't like the first one (bang/chase) with wow factors.
It dealt with philosophical/religious themes that some don't care to grapple with and are therefore seen as 'crap'.

That's all I'm saying...

Doc

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by menaceuk

The Machines will do nothing, The Bargain struck was for safety of those all ready freed and those who wanted to be freed.The machines will still survive as most won't be aware of the matrix and many will have trouble letting go even if they were freed.

Here is one of the philosophical/religious themes built into the movie. You can't change someone's beliefs. Nobody can let go of something unless they're ready to. Nobody see's anything other than what they've always seen, until they are confronted by some new truth - and even then, they won't grasp the new truth, until they're ready to let go of the old one.

They only 'freed the minds' of the people that were looking for something else. If a person is fully content in the Matrix, nobody will go yanking them out.

When a child asks questions about Santa Clause, they've recognized that something doesn't seem quite right, and they're trying to figure it out. This quest for answers not only applies to other areas of life, but for those in the Matrix, it's the Searches they engage in that let the 'freed' humans know they may want to get out.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

And the subway scene in the Revolutions was unneccessary as well.

Actually, I felt much was explained about the self-aware programs and how some are quite happy in their roles - because they are aware of their purpose and are content in that. Neo needed to accept his role, his purpose. It was a teaching moment.

As for the subway element. Neo was stuck halfway between the machine world and the Matrix and disconnected from his physical body... a kind of limbo, if you will.

The subway station was Mobil Ave.

Rearrange the letters in Mobil.... Limbo.

[Chordata]

I liked Reloaded but did not like Revolutions.

I'd love to see more Matrix movies, but I'm curious how they'd be made. I thought Neo died. Maybe I just don't get it.

[menaceuk]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

I liked Reloaded but did not like Revolutions.

I'd love to see more Matrix movies, but I'm curious how they'd be made. I thought Neo died. Maybe I just don't get it.

He didn't die.

Revolutions for me has some good things, I like the Zion battle scenes with the mechs and I like the Showdown with Smith, How ever the actual fighting scenes in that showdown are horrid, All the flying and stuff shouldn't have happened at it should have continued how the showdown started, on the ground with somewhat realistic combat.

[connect42]

I could not agree more!!!

Originally Posted by Atreyuu2003

The masses always cry and say, "Why?" when it comes to sequels. Well, "Why the heck not?" is what I say. There have been some fascinating sequels over the years. Besides, sometimes, it's just plain fun to revisit certain characters, worlds, situations, etc. that became so much a part of our lives in the initial releases. Who knows? Matrix 4 and 5 could be a redemption for the W. Brothers. All you sequel complainers...STOP COMPLAINING! If you don't like sequels, then don't watch them! Here's proof that sequels are worth it:

AWESOME SEQUELS

Indiana Jones 2 & 3
Lethal Weapon 2, 3, & 4
Terminator 2
Die Hard 2 & 3
Toy Story 2 & 3
Spider-Man 2
Drunken Master 2
Evil Dead 2 & Army Of Darkness
Aliens
The Lord Of The Rings 2 & 3
Back To The Future 3
The Empire Strikes Back
The Godfather: Part 2
Dawn Of The Dead
Ice Age 2
Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan
The Dark Knight
The Road Warrior

Honorable Mentions:

Iron Man 2
Predator 2

And there are many more. So stop complaining already...sheesh!

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

It's laughable that this thread is filled with so many statements about how the last two movies were garbage. I've said it many times that it's just a sign of (usually) folk that just didn't understand the dang things.

Unfortunately, what's more laughable is including Keanu in any future Matrix films - it just confuses the purpose of the One. Unless, that is, Reeves played a completely different character than Thomas Anderson, highlighting the fact that identities are completely interchangeable in the Matrix.

After all, his physical form was not destroyed at the end, so he could be jacked back in to the Matrix (and escape again). Except in this iteration, he would not be the One for this goaround... someone ELSE would be the One (and tick off the non-understanders even more )

Hmmm. Intriguing.

Doc

That's an extremely condescending statement. I'm a filmmaker, with my own movie coming out in October. I would NEVER make a blanket statement that those who don't like my film (or any other), "just don't understand it".

Art is very subjective.

[LordoftheRings]

Nine years later ...
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[aiman04]

Anything wrong with the other thread?

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Not being insulting, just factual (and I think Petra may back me up on this) When the sequel (yes, remember '2' and '3' are one movie), came out - it was different: Much more cerebral, fewer 'wow' moments, because we had already seen 'bullet time' and other stylistic elements. That leaves fewer surprises.

It became more about a story, and unfortunately for the masses, a story about the functional elements of a computer simulation and how humans were used a living parts of the very program code used to run that simulation.

It became multi-leveled when you draw the parallels with human existence, religion, the meaning of life, et cetera.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people posted their disgust with the sequel(s) at that time, and many of the complaints were based on their dislike of the 'philosophy crap'. They wanted 'bang bang'/'chase chase'.

So I'm not knocking them for not getting it, I'm just saying that many people complained that the movies 'sucked'... But really, they were 1) Not what they wanted (more of the same), and 2) Didn't understand what the movies were supposed to be.

I appreciate the subtext of the films and think the Brothers were ballsy for trying to ask big questions to the audience. Unfortunately, not everybody heard the questions.

Someone who posted above me said something about how they didn't like how Neo 'became Superman'... Well, he freed his mind from the presumed rules of the system. He didn't become superman - many have flown before and after superman. If Superman is what somebody sees, I don't fault them for that, but by seeing Superman, you miss what's really going on and unfortunately the operator making mention of Neo 'doin his Superman thing' may not have helped the situation. If Neo had teleported, people would see Nightcrawler. (Shrug) What can you do?

Again, I'm not out to say 'well, he didn't 'get it' so, he's just dumb'. Not what I'm saying at all. But for those that remember - many of the complaints about the movie fell into the two categories from above.

It wasn't like the first one (bang/chase) with wow factors.
It dealt with philosophical/religious themes that some don't care to grapple with and are therefore seen as 'crap'.

That's all I'm saying...

Doc

That's how I saw it as well, people either couldn't handle it or understand it. Plus, they were wanting more action. Either way, hope the 4th is good and NEO isn't a secondary character.