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Old 03-11-2011, 08:18 AM   #8481
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Comic book adaptations are not canon.
On the whole, that's not true. Star Wars being a prime example.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:31 AM   #8482
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As far as how the egg got on board...that's easy...Bishop put it there. As a Weyland android he no doubt had a secondary protocol installed to obtain a specimen to bring back. I think it was probably in his secondary back up memory, which he no doubt had. It may not have been something he was "aware" of at all times. As far as the plot holes are concerned, I don't think anyone can be called wrong as we all are speculating to a degree. However, there is truth in thinking about possibilities rather than having everything laid out for you. We need look only as far as the first two films to extrapolate possible theories about how things came to be in A3. The information is there, you do need to piece it together a little bit though. And for the record, I'm not saying my theories are correct, but, that's what I think happened.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:57 AM   #8483
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A very nice set of individual artwork there!
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Old 03-11-2011, 10:54 AM   #8484
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As far as how the egg got on board...that's easy...Bishop put it there. As a Weyland android he no doubt had a secondary protocol installed to obtain a specimen to bring back. I think it was probably in his secondary back up memory, which he no doubt had. It may not have been something he was "aware" of at all times. As far as the plot holes are concerned, I don't think anyone can be called wrong as we all are speculating to a degree. However, there is truth in thinking about possibilities rather than having everything laid out for you. We need look only as far as the first two films to extrapolate possible theories about how things came to be in A3. The information is there, you do need to piece it together a little bit though. And for the record, I'm not saying my theories are correct, but, that's what I think happened.
Well, OK, thats at least an attempt at a reasonable explanation even if its somewhat far-fetched. Im OK with "thinking" about possibilities but I dont care to be told I cant use my brain or whatever. Part of the reason this gets labeled as a plot hole is that we HAVE thought about it and it just doesnt make a lot of sense. This isnt some film noir, David Lynch kind of thing. Its just an action Sci-Fi film. Things either add up or they dont.

Decent post though. Ill give ya that.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:02 AM   #8485
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Exactly. And it's all there in the opening and a few other parts of the film. It's just stupid people don't like to think to figure things out so they would rather label it as a "plot hole." A plot hole is something accidental. There is nothing accidentle about the opening of Alien 3. Don't like the fact the Queen can lay one back up egg without her sack? Tough. It's canon in Alien 3. What's next you're going to call the Queen a plot hole because there was no evidence of her in the first film? Give me a break.
Ya know - you're right, its all there in the COMIC book. Comics have NOTHING to with anything so Im glad you guys have the time and inclination to read the comics. All the cool pictures. Great. Way to put on a display of your immense intelligence and IQ. Im impressed. Maybe you can find a popup book for Alien 3 too and refer to that from now on.

The egg-laying with NO sac is "canon"? From what? Some dorky comic book? Noone cares about comic books and they have nothing to do with blu-ray discs.

Its a plot hole - the entire world except for 2-3 people here know that to be a fact so keep spewing the "Im smart and you're not" BS. Its entertaining if not somewhat sad. Oh wait - It was Bishops next door neighbors best friends brother that planted the egg. My bad. See - I thought about it. I feel smarter now.

Even if we take away the GAPING plot hole, the movie still sucks and is considered a disaster of epic proportions by 99% of the population. Even most of the people involved in making the film know its a mess. Glad thats settled.

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Old 03-11-2011, 11:24 AM   #8486
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ok time to break the "tension" here

The individual cases for the Japanese edition are simply stunning.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:26 AM   #8487
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wow, i'm so happy that these are being released so quickly after the set!!
i was afraid i would have to wait ages for an individual aliens release.
was even very close to purchasing the whole set few times, just to get
my hands on aliens.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:30 AM   #8488
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I would actually pay someone for just the covers haha
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:07 PM   #8489
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Those are some beautiful covers!
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Old 03-11-2011, 12:31 PM   #8490
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ok time to break the "tension" here

The individual cases for the Japanese edition are simply stunning.
Agreed. Its a deader than dead horse anyways. The cases do look great. Im glad they are coming out separately. Again, if it wasnt for that killer deal with Amazon UK for the whole set Id be grabbing these seperately for sure.
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:34 PM   #8491
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I just got the alien anthology set from the UK and watched Alien last night. What a fantastic film. When you don't see a movie for a while, it's kind of like watching it for the first time. The individual releases do have some nice covers but I really enjoy watching all of the special features for movies and the individual releases probably won't have as many as the anthology. So I'm happy with the anthology set, especially when considering the price for it.
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:51 PM   #8492
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But wouldn't she assume - like everybody in here - that the Queen couldn't lay any eggs without the tube structure? So if the Queen could, say, lay one Queen egg in an emergency situation, would it not be reasonable to assume that Ripley wouldn't necessarily go looking for an egg that she didn't think the Queen could lay?

And the Queen being able to produce one last Queen egg even without her "tube" isn't biologically unreasonable at all. If she were on the verge of death, or under imminent threat (situations in which the tube might well be damaged or destroyed), the Queen would require a biological fail-safe to provide the next generation's Queen. It isn't unfeasible that xenomorph evolution would account for this scenario.

It isn't a definite answer, but it's a possibility. And denying any possible explanation just so that one can have the satisfaction of screaming "Plot hole! Plot hole!" seems rather unimaginative.
She would assume that, after the Alien boarded the Narcissus, and after another Alien boarded and brought down the dropship, and then after the Queen stowed away back to the Sulaco, that the Aliens have a tenacious ability to get places. She would check. They all would. But the scriptwriters wanted an egg on board, so the characters and the logic of the series was compromised to let it happen.
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Old 03-11-2011, 01:54 PM   #8493
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The new Aliens single release cover art is pretty slick... I like it.
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Old 03-11-2011, 03:24 PM   #8494
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Well, OK, thats at least an attempt at a reasonable explanation even if its somewhat far-fetched. Im OK with "thinking" about possibilities but I dont care to be told I cant use my brain or whatever. Part of the reason this gets labeled as a plot hole is that we HAVE thought about it and it just doesnt make a lot of sense. This isnt some film noir, David Lynch kind of thing. Its just an action Sci-Fi film. Things either add up or they dont.

Decent post though. Ill give ya that.
Not to me because Bishop never had time to get an egg. The eggs were in the bowels of the processing plant and he was on the dropship.
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:22 PM   #8495
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Not to me because Bishop never had time to get an egg. The eggs were in the bowels of the processing plant and he was on the dropship.
Agreed - but that was better than the "Comic book says this blah blah blah, you're stoopid" posts that some boobs were dumping on us here.

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She would assume that, after the Alien boarded the Narcissus, and after another Alien boarded and brought down the dropship, and then after the Queen stowed away back to the Sulaco, that the Aliens have a tenacious ability to get places. She would check. They all would. But the scriptwriters wanted an egg on board, so the characters and the logic of the series was compromised to let it happen.
Bingo. Remember, these are essentially bugs. As Ash so eloquently stated they dont have many thought processes or "delusions of morality". They just propogate the species and eat and then die. Like most bugs. They dont reason, they dont have meetings to plan out all this crap, and they dont create power point presentations on their laptops to figure out a game plan on how to get on the Sulaco and plant eggs.

Sure, in the first film, the Alien did get into the shuttle and that would require some thought perhaps. But, thats a far cry from eggs growing out of the framework of the Sulaco. Like you said - the scriptwriters couldnt come up with anything else so "poof" you've got an egg on board.

Maybe they should have let the comic book writers do the script?

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Old 03-11-2011, 04:24 PM   #8496
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I hope the single releases cause the boxset's price to drop
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:27 PM   #8497
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I'm glad that people can no longer play the "I'm just gunna wait for the individual releases" card.
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:48 PM   #8498
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426 pages... how many polluted with the "I'm just gunna wait for the individual releases" posts ? Or the "double dip" ones. Or the "HDTV is better than Aliens Remaster" ones ?
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:51 PM   #8499
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Ahh, I'll be picking up Alien/Aliens in May. Wonderful
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:52 PM   #8500
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Not sure if this has been posted here or even if it's the place to post, but you can get the anthology w/egg packaging for $99 and free UPS ground shipping at http://www.foxconnect.com. Use promo code alienegg

My apologies if this is the wrong place to post this.
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