The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[Bucky]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

It's really cool that Serkis is going to direct the second unit stuff. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

I don't really care about the frames per second thing...I guess if I saw it in action I'd feel different.

Kind of lame. Jackson should just direct everything himself and not be so lazy.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Bucky

Kind of lame. Jackson should just direct everything himself and not be so lazy.

I hope you're joking. There were as many as 7 to 8 units shooting LOTR simultaneously. Jackson is only one man and on a film this big, he can't be everywhere all the time. Practically every big movie...or heck just most movies in general, have second, third, etc. units directing in addition to the main unit. Of the big players in film, Chris Nolan is notorious for not shooting second unit, but right now, he's the only one I can think of.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I hope you're joking. There were as many as 7 to 8 units shooting LOTR simultaneously. Jackson is only one man and on a film this big, he can't be everywhere all the time. Practically every big movie...or heck just most movies in general, have second, third, etc. units directing in addition to the main unit. Of the big players in film, Chris Nolan is notorious for not shooting second unit, but right now, he's the only one I can think of.

+1

And Andy Serkis is an AMAZINGLY talented guy, if you've watched the Appendices from the EE's of LotR A LOT of the Gollum stuff came from Serkis, I'm REALLY excited to hear he's second unit director!

[Bucky]

If Christopher Nolan can direct all of his films without a second unit then why can't Peter Jackson?

Sure, Nolan is the greatest director ever and everything he makes is amazing so maybe it would be asking too much from a director like Jackson.




(and yes kryptonic i was joking)

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I hope you're joking. There were as many as 7 to 8 units shooting LOTR simultaneously. Jackson is only one man and on a film this big, he can't be everywhere all the time. Practically every big movie...or heck just most movies in general, have second, third, etc. units directing in addition to the main unit. Of the big players in film, Chris Nolan is notorious for not shooting second unit, but right now, he's the only one I can think of.

Jackson is probably feeling that this project has been delayed so many times that he doesn't want to give any gremlins more opportunities. We should be talking about how much we enjoyed seeing it LAST December in the theatre, and how we are looking forward to an impending BD release.

[radagast]

“In the same way Lord of the Rings was an interpretation of the book, The Hobbit is being treated the same way,” Serkis said. “It will be faithfully represented with a fresh interpretation.”

Those kind of statements give me chills. And not the good kiind of chills.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

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Wednesday, April 06, 2011

THE HOBBIT Shooting At 48 Frames Per Second!

So, is this 48 fps some way of displaying alternate 24 fps fields to create a 3D image? If so, does a "dumbed down" 2D version end up at 24 fps?

[Drew664]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Yea, I read about it. But until I see it in action, I'm not sure how I feel. I'm with Drew664, does it look like the motion flow on TVs? Because I honestly hate how it makes things look...

I hate that look as well - which is why I asked and if we should be concerned this is the direction movies are going. Blah, I hope not!

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Bucky

If Christopher Nolan can direct all of his films without a second unit then why can't Peter Jackson?

Sure, Nolan is the greatest director ever and everything he makes is amazing so maybe it would be asking too much from a director like Jackson.




(and yes kryptonic i was joking)

The way Nolan's films are constructed lends themselves to being shot by one unit. But something like LOTR, which takes place in so many locations with so many actors would take 3-4 years just to shoot with only one unit.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

Those kind of statements give me chills. And not the good kiind of chills.

"Faithfully represented with a fresh interpretation"? I wonder to what extent "fresh" deviates from the original? I hope Jackson got the message from LotR that the movies worked best where they agreed with the books.

[Kryptonic]

With an adaptation, as long as they capture the spirit of the novel and its themes and concepts, then the narrative and story departures matter little. Jackson accomplished this with LOTR, so I don't see why he won't here.

[drummerboy_2002]

Originally Posted by Drew664

I hate that look as well - which is why I asked and if we should be concerned this is the direction movies are going. Blah, I hope not!

I wouldn't worry about it. I hate motion interpolation as well, but those are false frames inserted that give the video that unnaturally smooth look. 48fps will make the video smoother, but it will be the natural motion of the objects.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Drew664

Quick question regarding the 48fps recording. When I watch the Blu release of this movie - is it going to look like the motion flow enhancement on LCDs? What will be the visual difference of the normal 24fps that I'm used to vs the 48fps?

I'm sure it will look a lot better than those 'enhancing' options TVs have. If those directors say it looks incredible, I'm sure it will look incredible.
The visual difference is that the jitter you see when a camera moves fast, is gone.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Drew664

I hate that look as well - which is why I asked and if we should be concerned this is the direction movies are going. Blah, I hope not!

Me too...If that's how it looks its going to ruin movies for me. It looks so...unnatural. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Tok]

Panning shots will take on a much smoother/natural look with the higher frame rates. But I am curious also is this 48 per left and right field meaning that the actual capture rate of the cameras is 96 frames/s to create a 48 frame/s 3D image.

Also 48fps 3D means we need a format to recreate the theatrical experience at home

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

With an adaptation, as long as they capture the spirit of the novel and its themes and concepts, then the narrative and story departures matter little. Jackson accomplished this with LOTR, so I don't see why he won't here.

How do you capture the "spirit of the novel and its themes" if you deviate too far from the original story? That is a contradiction. The departures from the story changes the concepts and themes. For example: One of the themes and concepts is loyalty: Merry and Pippin were fully aware that Frodo was struggling with confusion and fear about leaving the Shire with the Ring. They wouldn't let Frodo face the journey alone and got Sam to keep an eye on Frodo and spy for them. That loyalty that Merry and Pippin had towards Frodo was diminished significantly by having the two of them accidently run into Frodo and Sam after stealing food from a farmer. A faithful adaptation doesn't go that far astray.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by radagast

How do you capture the "spirit of the novel and its themes" if you deviate too far from the original story? That is a contradiction. The departures from the story changes the concepts and themes. For example: One of the themes and concepts is loyalty: Merry and Pippin were fully aware that Frodo was struggling with confusion and fear about leaving the Shire with the Ring. They wouldn't let Frodo face the journey alone and got Sam to keep an eye on Frodo and spy for them. That loyalty that Merry and Pippin had towards Frodo was diminished significantly by having the two of them accidently run into Frodo and Sam after stealing food from a farmer. A faithful adaptation doesn't go that far astray.

You think that because of that changed bit, the concept of loyalty is nowhere to be found in the trilogy? I'd suggest you watch again.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

You think that because of that changed bit, the concept of loyalty is nowhere to be found in the trilogy? I'd suggest you watch again.

I suggest you read my post again. I said it was diminished, not missing. And certainly the charm of the point in the story where Merry and Pippin let Frodo know they aren't about to let him go alone, and that they had Sam spy to make sure Frodo didn't sneak off. Any other example that PJ put in, to demonstrate loyalty, is not a good substitute for that. And since you didn't get the point, I will also point out that I only gave one example. I didn't say it was the only case where PJ's ideas replaced Tolkien's, and were inferior.

And that's why I, and many others, are wary and uneasy when Serkis says "The Hobbit is being treated the same way".

If PJ had done an "adaptation" of The Hunt For Red October, I wonder how far his script would have wandered from the book?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by radagast

I suggest you read my post again. I said it was diminished, not missing. And certainly the charm of the point in the story where Merry and Pippin let Frodo know they aren't about to let him go alone, and that they had Sam spy to make sure Frodo didn't sneak off. Any other example that PJ put in, to demonstrate loyalty, is not a good substitute for that. And since you didn't get the point, I will also point out that I only gave one example. I didn't say it was the only case where PJ's ideas replaced Tolkien's, and were inferior.

And that's why I, and many others, are wary when about Serkis saying "The Hobbit is being treated the same way".

If PJ had done an "adaptation" of The Hunt For Red October, I wonder how far his script would have wandered from the book?

I am one of those.

[Duffy12]

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Orlando Bloom Confirms His Involvement In The Hobbit








April 7th, 2011 by Earl | Source: Collider.com


In an exclusive interview with Collider.com, Orlando Bloom confirms he’s been in talks to return as Legolas in Peter Jackson’s upcoming Hobbit films.


Excerpts from the interview follow:

Collider: Are you going to appear in The Hobbit?

Bloom: Yeah, it’s looking like that. I’m really excited about going to see Pete [Jackson] again. It’s still a little up in the air, but the idea of working with Pete is fantastic. I can’t actually really talk too much about it, at this point. I just was given the script to piece through, so it’s quite exciting.

Collider: The whole script?

Bloom: Yeah!

Collider: Will you have to do anything to physically prepare for that role again?

Bloom: Are you telling me that I’ve put on weight, in the last 10 years? I just have to grow my hair really long and blonde again.

Collider: Isn’t he a younger version?

Bloom: Yeah.



There’s a lively discussion going on over at our message boards with fans speculating (both seriously and in jest!) the role Legolas will have in the films. Join in the fun!




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