81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[richard lichtenfelt]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

I'm really pissed about that statement! Are you saying I'm not a movie lover because I want to hear the artist speak about his art? Just because you can rephrase my opinion sarcastically does not mean I'm wrong.

The word "strictly" in the phrase "strictly movie lovers," means that there are people who are only in this for the movies and don't care about PIP, in-movie games, or online retailing. Anything else you got out of that was all on your end and not implied by me.

You said in one of your posts that you think that people who say they don't care about the profile stuff, even though they were very straight forward about it, must be engaging in blu-ray "rah rah" in order to defend it. David Boulet said that people who claim they aren't interested in profile features are blu-ray zealots engaging in spin. Therefore, I felt the need to use descriptive verbosity to convey my indifference to said features.

I wasn't trying to belittle you, I understand that some people want these extra features and should be able to purchase players that do so. I certainly wasn't saying that because I find the profile features useless others should as well.

It seems to me that you and some others have been inferring that all players should be profile capable and I disagree as higher prices cause more purchasing hesitation. I'm fairly certain that there are others like me who watch the movie and completely disregard everything else. We shouldn't have to pay more for stand-alone players because they can only be purchased with the extra memory and Java royalties necessary for profile features.

Neither this post nor the one before it were meant to be offensive.

[Jorrel]

Okay I'm tired of all this speculation about the numbers. Do we know when they will be released and if they will do 2 weeks at once or what? Just looking for a straight answer and not more speculation.

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

The word "strictly" in the phrase "strictly movie lovers," means that there are people who are only in this for the movies and don't care about PIP, behind the scenes, or online retailing. Anything else you got out of that was all on your end and not implied by me.

You said in one of your posts that you think that people who say they don't care about the profile stuff, even though they were very straight forward about it, must be engaging in blu-ray "rah rah" in order to defend it. Therefore, I felt the need to use descriptive verbosity to convey my indifference to said features.

I don't know if I'm necessarily typical, but I prefer to just watch the movies most of the time, only delving into the extras if the movie becomes a much-watched favorite. When DVD first came out, the extras were a fascinating new thing, so I'd often go watch them right after watching the movie, but after a while I realized there are a ton of movies out there and I'd rather spend my time watching more of them than watching a couple hours of extras on a movie I've already seen.

Now, don't get me wrong, for a certain key few movies the extras were fascinating and added a lot of value. But 90+% of the time, I might watch the deleted scenes but that's about it. As a general rule of thumb unless a movie has caught my interest enough to watch it at least five times, I don't bother with its extras.

[MarekM]

Originally Posted by blu2

Why do you think it won't be released in HD? The interesting question is more likely whether it will be subject to a dual format release.

as far as I know INDY movies are out of paramount deal....,
so probably if Paramount want to released them, they have to release them also on Blu-ray..

Marek

[What'sHD]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

Don't get too cocky guys.

Don't you know those Hollywood execs are sitting around tonight staring at Attach Rate charts while one-handing it?

hahaha, hohoho... *wipes tears

[Jimbo976]

Originally Posted by Jorrel

Okay I'm tired of all this speculation about the numbers. Do we know when they will be released and if they will do 2 weeks at once or what? Just looking for a straight answer and not more speculation.

Week Ending Dec. 16 - 61:39 Blu-ray
Week Ending Dec. 23 - 61:39 Blu-ray
Week Ending Dec. 30 - 61:39 Blu-ray

[davidPS3]

This win proves once and for all that we have a much larger installed base. And HD DVD, yes, we PS3 owners are making a difference!

[jling84]

"The only argument one can make is that there is no big separation between the formats for the past couple of months. Unless HD DVD can secure a Warner defection, it will take them a VERY long time to turn these numbers around (if ever)."

Despite the HD-DVD bias that DV usually has, this is actually one very astute piece of insight. The HD-DVD supporters always fall back on the "61:39 is only a 20% differential between Blu-Ray and HD" defense, but they fail to realize that for HD-DVD to turn the tables and gain the "insignificant" 20% advantage they continually scoff at would be a nigh impossible feat for them.

[Jorrel]

Originally Posted by Jimbo976

Week Ending Dec. 16 - 61:39 Blu-ray
Week Ending Dec. 23 - 61:39 Blu-ray
Week Ending Dec. 30 - 61:39 Blu-ray

Do you have a link to the numbers? Not that I don't trust you I'm just curious because as far as I can tell only the week ending on dec. 16 have been posted by HMM. Thanks.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Esox50

*Pats Rob on the back*

EDIT: LOL @ HD DVD. HDVD had BOGO, day and date releases...61:39 Blu. This is the first of many LOL's at HD DVD this year...

I like to use a still from a BD exclusive studio to get the point across:

[Sonny]

jiling84 QUOTE: Despite the HD-DVD bias on the "61:39 is only a 20% differential between Blu-Ray and HD" defense, but they fail to realize that for HD-DVD to turn the tables and gain the "insignificant" 20% advantage they continually scoff at would be a nigh impossible feat for them.[/QUOTE]
& world wide too. Not going to happen

[blindcat87]

The Para announcement specifically excluded titles directed by SS. He is the one with final say. We know he leans Blu. The question is will he allow a Blu release, throw HD DVD a bone and allow a dual release, or not allow any HDM release until he decides to at a later date. Given the chilly state that exists between the studio and director, I wouldn't count on him feeling charitable.

I may be wrong, but there is no question that the only way that any Indy film will see a red release would be at the director's permission.

Chris

Originally Posted by blu2

Why do you think it won't be released in HD? The interesting question is more likely whether it will be subject to a dual format release.

[blu2]

Originally Posted by blindcat87

The Para announcement specifically excluded titles directed by SS. He is the one with final say. We know he leans Blu. The question is will he allow a Blu release, throw HD DVD a bone and allow a dual release, or not allow any HDM release until he decides to at a later date. Given the chilly state that exists between the studio and director, I wouldn't count on him feeling charitable.

I may be wrong, but there is no question that the only way that any Indy film will see a red release would be at the director's permission.

Chris

I can't see Spielberg blocking a day and date HD release. What would be the point? This is a quite different situation than catalog titles.

Dual format seems the likely outcome.

[Sonny]

I hope he just takes the Blu-ray road

[Dalese]

Originally Posted by blu2

I can't see Spielberg blocking a day and date HD release. What would be the point? This is a quite different situation than catalog titles.

Dual format seems the likely outcome.

And of course there is the irony of Paramount being forced to release the movie in a format they had decided to drop.

I wonder which format the Indiana Jones 4 movie will sell better on?

[makingmusic476]

From DV:

PE 56:44 BD:HD separated by about 1600.

HP5 58:42 BD:HD separated by about 3000.

So with proper math...

PE:
7,467 BD
5,867 HD

HP:
10,875 BD
7,875 HD

Still no BR numbers.

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by jiling84

Despite the HD-DVD bias on the "61:39 is only a 20% differential between Blu-Ray and HD" defense, but they fail to realize that for HD-DVD to turn the tables and gain the "insignificant" 20% advantage they continually scoff at would be a nigh impossible feat for them.

I really am starting to get annoyed by all the "new math" being employed by HD DVD fans. A 61:39 win means Blu-ray sold 56% more copies than HD DVD. HD DVD would have had to sell an additional 56% more copies to be even with Blu-ray. This "20% differential" thing is complete nonsense... and meaningless statistically.

Although since they count every PlayStation 3 system produced worldwide as a Blu-ray disc player sold in America to make up a U.S. attach rate, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that statistics isn't their strong suit.

Then again, they ALL know that a $200 player is less than a $300 player -- but only because Am*r told them so.

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by Jorrel

Cool thanks I've been trying to keep up on whats happening and I was sure if HMM did or didn't release all 52 weeks or they skipped the last week of the year. Thanks for the info. Looking forward to tomorrow.

The one they will skip if they follow the pattern will be the week we are in right now. Talk about painful that means when the 85:15 or so numbers come in due to us having 5 exclusives as well as some good sales we will not see the numbers.

Here is to hoping they at least make the numbers know to the insiders so that we can have them.

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by jling84

Despite the HD-DVD bias that DV usually has, this is actually one very astute piece of insight. The HD-DVD supporters always fall back on the "61:39 is only a 20% differential between Blu-Ray and HD" defense, but they fail to realize that for HD-DVD to turn the tables and gain the "insignificant" 20% advantage they continually scoff at would be a nigh impossible feat for them.

I think I'm going to start a new format and sell one disc to my parents. That will make the ratio between DVD and my format 99:1 (since they truncate the bigger number). Now, DVD is a huge industry with billions of dollars of revenue, and if I can sell one disc then it will mean there is only a 98% differential between DVD and my format. So, that kind of success will have to make me rich. Right?

BTW: I think I'll have my parents buy 20 discs and 1 player. Then my format will have a better attach rate than HD DVD and that will mean my format is more successful than HD DVD. Right (again)?

--Darin

[blindcat87]

Actually I agree with you that dual is most likely. I would love to see him get back at Philipe whats his name from Paramount for his comments by sticking them on this release, but I think it is most likely that unless the format war has ended, he will allow a dual release. I do think it likely though, that he will insist on the BD being optimized for the format, and as long as I get a nice lossless soundtrack, I'll be happy.

I have just seen red zealots pretend that the little disclaimer at the end of the Paramount press release isn't there so often that seeing posts that seem to read like Spielberg couldn't insist on a Blu only release hits my debate button. Something I shouldn't let happen.

Chris

Originally Posted by blu2

I can't see Spielberg blocking a day and date HD release. What would be the point? This is a quite different situation than catalog titles.

Dual format seems the likely outcome.