81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[kolasi]

hd dud gaining ground? lol their fanboys will try spinning anything to make it look as if theyre doing better.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

Ok, I'm really confused.

Blade Runner on HD-DVD sold 24.95 vs. Bourne's 100.

This means that Blade Runner on HD-DVD sold .2495 * 98.36 = 24.54 for overall sales.

59.97 combined for BladeRunner means that Bladerunner combined sold 59.97/.9836 = 60.97 overall.

60.97 overall - 24.54 HD-DVD equals 36.43 sales for Blu-Ray.

That would have put it at #7 for the top 10 overall. Yet it's not there.

Show me where my math is bad please.

You are most correct, although the bolded steps are incorrect. The 24.95 compares to the 100 index as you note, and you multiply the .2495 by 98.36 which is correct to get the HD-DVD version on the same basis as overall. However what is the point of adjusting the 59.97 number which was already on that basis? You are making an unnecessary edit. Just subtract the 24.54 from the 59.97 for 35.4 on blu. That would be 42.64 based off the Simpsons 100 index for the blu-only figure.

Still your conclusion is accurate that it should have make the Top 10 overall and Top 5 on blu alone if these numbers were correct.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

You are most correct, although the bolded steps are incorrect. The 24.95 compares to the 100 index as you note, and you multiply the .2495 by 98.36 which is correct to get the HD-DVD version on the same basis as overall. However what is the point of adjusting the 59.97 number which was already on that basis? You are making an unnecessary edit. Just subtract the 24.54 from the 59.97 for 35.4 on blu. That would be 42.64 based off the Simpsons 100 index for the blu-only figure.

Still your conclusion is accurate that it should have make the Top 10 overall and Top 5 on blu alone if these numbers were correct.

No, you have to turn the 59.97 into an overall value too.

If I want to know what 59.97 is with respect to Bourne, as 100, I have to do that conversion.

binarymelon made the same mistake.

[Imakida]

Originally Posted by Esox50

I agree, but I got so tired of being pestered by those idiots in the Blu ray section over at AVS, I finally came over here. Now that theyre doing the same shit over at HDD, the truth is out that those idiots were just trolling over at AVS.

At this point, I don't interact with them because there's no point in doing so. I do however, like to "call a spade, a spade" like I did above. These people have some problems, are paid to do what they do, or are just idiots...I call em j*rk*ffs.

Well I just posted in the Hi-def forum and it was funny lol!

[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

You are most correct, although the bolded steps are incorrect. The 24.95 compares to the 100 index as you note, and you multiply the .2495 by 98.36 which is correct to get the HD-DVD version on the same basis as overall. However what is the point of adjusting the 59.97 number which was already on that basis? You are making an unnecessary edit. Just subtract the 24.54 from the 59.97 for 35.4 on blu. That would be 42.64 based off the Simpsons 100 index for the blu-only figure.

Still your conclusion is accurate that it should have make the Top 10 overall and Top 5 on blu alone if these numbers were correct.

Actually you're both kind of wrong. Both steps are needed but the original post did them in the wrong order. (59.97 - 24.54) / 0.9836 = 36.02. That's the Blu-ray Blade Runner Index re-adjusted since Bourne is the 100.0 Index in the Top 10 Titles list.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by binarymelon

Actually you're both kind of wrong. Both steps are needed but the original post did them in the wrong order. (59.97 - 24.54) / 0.9836 = 36.02. That's the Blu-ray Blade Runner Index re-adjusted since Bourne is the 100.0 Index in the Top 10 Titles list.

Ok, bad math. You are right.

[TimV]

Don't forget there are four HDM SKUs for Blade Runner. The four are probably included together in the aggregate, but treated separately in the other lists.

[Terjyn]

Redone:

Blade Runner on HD-DVD sold 24.95 vs. Bourne's 100.

59.97 combined for BladeRunner means that Bladerunner combined sold 59.97/.9836 = 60.97 overall (based off Bourne).

60.97 overall - 24.95 HD-DVD equals 36.02 sales for Blu-Ray (based off Bourne).

That would have put it at #7 for the top 10 overall. Yet it's not there.

[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

No, you have to turn the 59.97 into an overall value too.

If I want to know what 59.97 is with respect to Bourne, as 100, I have to do that conversion.

binarymelon made the same mistake.

I wouldn't say I was wrong. I was just calculating the answer to the a question you didn't ask. Yeah, that didn't work on my high school math teachers either .

[Terjyn]

Yeah, well... I wasn't right either. I think we got it now.

[Sushisake]

Correct me if I am wrong - but the number for week ending 12/30/07 -

61 - 39

takes into account the HD-DVD BOGO on AMAZON? If so - it appears like clear sailing from here!!!

[CptGreedle]

With the BD BOGO this week on Amazon, I think we may be looking in the 70s again for us.
Lets set a new record! 75/25!

[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

With the BD BOGO this week on Amazon, I think we may be looking in the 70s again for us.
Lets set a new record! 75/25!

Didn't we break 80 back when Casino Royale was released?

[Iceman_II]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

Not only that, but they are NOT "gaining ground" as they claim! Every week they score lower than 50% they are in fact falling further and further behind in total sales, the gap between BD and HD DVD widened every single week in 2007.

Sorry, but your math is flawed

If they are running 36% YTD, as long as they score above 36% on the week, they are closing the gap in the percentage (which they unfortunately did, by 1% this week)... they only need 50 to maintain a constant gap in total units sold, but a constant gap in gross sales becomes a smaller and smaller percentage as the numbers get higher...

To push the red ants farther out, you need ever increasing percentages... to more of a lead you have, the more difficult it is to increase that lead... and the inverse is true, the less they have, the easier it is for them to show improvement.

[TimV]

Originally Posted by Sushisake

Correct me if I am wrong - but the number for week ending 12/30/07 -

61 - 39

takes into account the HD-DVD BOGO on AMAZON? If so - it appears like clear sailing from here!!!

Presumably it does. What will be most interesting is whether any of the 1st 4 HP movies show up in the top 5. If they don't, then Amazon must not have that much market share (or the sampling is statistically unbalanced).

T

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by Iceman_II

Sorry, but your math is flawed

If they are running 36% YTD, as long as they score above 36% on the week, they are closing the gap in the percentage (which they unfortunately did, by 1% this week)... they only need 50 to maintain a constant gap in total units sold, but a constant gap in gross sales becomes a smaller and smaller percentage as the numbers get higher...

Sorry, but your logic is like saying that a football team that is 2-0 down at half time and 100-1 down at full time has gained ground in the 2nd half because their share of the goals went up from 0% to 1%. I don't think anybody thinks about it like that in the real world, they look at the gap in absolute terms not as a percentage.

[monkyman]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

Sorry, but your logic is like saying that a football team that is 2-0 down at half time and 100-1 down at full time has gained ground in the 2nd half because their share of the goals went up from 0% to 1%. I don't think anybody thinks about it like that in the real world, they look at the gap in absolute terms not as a percentage.

Iceman is correct, your math is flawed. Your talking about a percent, not a score.

[jebel]

Okay, so this HMM is for week ending 12/23. Next Friday's HMM will show us the week ending 12/30 (HD-DVD BOGO week), which we already know will again be 61:39. They're an extra week behind because of the one they missed over the holidays.

But if HMM follows last year's rules, their next HMM after that will "skip" the first week of the year, and go back to the normal week-before. Which means we won't get to see all the nitty gritty details of this big Blu BOGO week.

[Terjyn]

Originally Posted by monkyman

Iceman is correct, your math is flawed. Your talking about a percent, not a score.

No, he's not. Iceman is claiming that by narrowing the percentage you are gaining ground.

Nuts' point is that that is absurd. 99-1 has gained ground on 2-0, even though the percentage narrowed.

To me, gaining ground in terms of percentages only matters once a product has hit a stable line, and HDM isn't there yet.

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by monkyman

Iceman is correct, your math is flawed. Your talking about a percent, not a score.

So you think that if Warner was selling, say, 60k Blu-ray and 30k HD DVD of a title (2:1), and then later on it changed to 180k Blu-ray and 120k HD DVD (3:2), they would see HD DVD as having gained ground? I just can't see it, if it were my business I'd see HD DVD as having fallen back relative to Blu-ray, as the difference in my profits between the two formats would have increased (gap of 30k increasing to gap of 60k).

You're just falling for the HD DVDers FUD by allowing them to draw you into looking at it in percentage terms. They want you to do this because they can spin it as "gaining ground", but it isn't gaining ground in any way that means anything at all to the people who matter.