The War is Over - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 01-29-2007, 12:47 AM

So what was the reason for the ban? What forum rule did the person break?

Heresy · 01-29-2007, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

So what was the reason for the ban? What forum rule did the person break?

He broke the rule of not being an HD-DVD fanboy and believing all of Amir's FUD.

Alex Pallas · 01-29-2007, 01:14 AM

nazis r on teh intranets

mbslrm · 01-29-2007, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heresy

He broke the rule of not being an HD-DVD fanboy and believing all of Amir's FUD.

Or in a nutshell, he was banned for political reasons.

JBlacklow · 01-29-2007, 01:45 AM

Since at least last January, AVS Forum has shown a marked bias against Blu-ray and Blu-ray supporters. It's the main reason I don't post in those areas anymore (although you'll see my posts in the audio and RPTV sections occasionally). They were slow to respond to personal attacks on Pioneer representatives and on well-connected individuals such as TDB's Bill Hunt and our own Chris Beveridge of AnimeOnDVD. One poster that I met in person (plazman) has surprised me with the venom he spews and gets away with on a regular basis, since he seemed like a decent guy offline. AVS also allows people such as rdjam to troll the boards while the banhammer is applied without much merit on folks like yoyoniner. They let supposed "insiders" spread propaganda until their lies are unraveled by events or personnel. Two of them, oshodi and tsd2005 were even supported multiple times by other members, until their "dirt" turned out to be false. Only after months of spreading lies with no check or proof of their "inside" status by the mods have they been cut off, and only when actual industry reps directly contradicted them. Much has been mentioned about Amir, so I won't say anything more, but it was truly saddening to see good folks like Ben Waggoner and Stacy Spears step into line as MSFT employees when pressed. I don't bear any real ill will towards them.

Whether AVS is the way it is now because of money, spite, or just plain ignorance, and whether it is the actions of a few mods or the whole group, I have no idea. But IMO, it's fallen a great deal in the last year, although it's influence has grown. For somewhat more balanced views, you're better off with the Home Theater Forum or Home Theater Spot, and of course people "in the know" like Bill Hunt and his crew, and the cheerful folks at EngadgetHD.

dialog_gvf · 01-29-2007, 04:27 AM

The war IS over. Despite many of us still knocking heads with the usual suspects check out the threads in the HD DVD sections of AVSF. Lots and lots of neutrality, and plans of neutrality, and encouragements to go neutral.

Neutrality is deadly to HD DVD. HD DVD only survived by maintaining the hatred of BD, and the absolute confidence that HD DVD would prevail.

A neutral is 5-7 sales : 1-3 sales. When HD DVD bothers to offer something to buy.

When an Amir spews his hatred, how many on the HD DVD side are listening any more?

I wish Universal would put HD DVD out of its misery already, and let's us start getting on with the difficult task of convincing the masses to adopt!

Gary

Dave · 01-29-2007, 06:43 AM

Excellent! Go translate and spread!

Dave Mack · 01-29-2007, 07:43 AM

THAT'S the post I saw this morning! I was shocked that it lasted as long as it did!
Removing it, I understand but banning the guy??!
The crap people like LAGOSIAN or Plazman dish out daily there in the BD forums(!) is worse!
Everyone should register a new name and just slap that post up in both BD and HDdvd forums...!

Dave · 01-29-2007, 10:34 AM

... and the hd dvd sales dropped sharply:

Blue - Blu-ray
Black - hd dvd

onanie · 01-29-2007, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

... and the hd dvd sales dropped sharply:

Blue - Blu-ray
Black - hd dvd

Only a few things could explain this sharp shifting phenomenon
1. Website error
2. All HD-A1s exploded, killing half of the HD DVD population

RX-Men-8 · 01-29-2007, 10:58 AM

Could you explain the negative number scale on the Y-axis of that graph?

Dave · 01-29-2007, 11:29 AM

The less the number (more negative) means that its back in sales. The closer to 0 - better sales.

Leader Blu-ray!
http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

The whole history of the graph (max time length)

Deane Johnson · 01-29-2007, 11:52 AM

Look at the trends of sales at DVD Empire. Same story.

http://www.dvdempire.com/index.asp?o...143390&redir=1

iceman · 01-29-2007, 12:07 PM

Very well written and pretty much sums it up.

If this was posted in the Blu-ray forum I don't see the reason for deleting the post. If it was posted in the HD-DVD forum, a mod should just move the post to the Blu-ray forum. It shouldn't get deleted and the poster (yoyoniner) should definitely NOT be banned because of it! Extremely unprofessional, AVS is supposed to be "neutral". We here at Blu-ray.com are even more tolerant about HD-DVD posts, as long as they are TRUE and based on FACTS, and we are supposed to be biased

RX-Men-8 · 01-29-2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

The less the number (more negative) means that its back in sales. The closer to 0 - better sales.
[/IMG]

So this means they are losing both - somewhere between 4000 and 6000 of whatever unit that is on that scale. All in about 1 day (x-axis). Doesn't tell me much else.

Cheers,

RX-Men-8

dialog_gvf · 01-29-2007, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RX-Men-8

Could you explain the negative number scale on the Y-axis of that graph?

Because the numbers represent sales ranks, they want a scale that shows a SMALLER rank is better and appears above a bigger rank. Hence, the use of negative numbers. e.g. -500 > -600.

Gary

dialog_gvf · 01-29-2007, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onanie

Only a few things could explain this sharp shifting phenomenon
1. Website error
2. All HD-A1s exploded, killing half of the HD DVD population

He might have found, or introduced a calculation error. The HD Gamer DB data doesn't show this (check Jan 27 for top 100)

Gary

GoldenRedux · 01-29-2007, 01:26 PM

I can't believe he was banned because of that post. That is absolutely ridiculous. The M$ dollars and FUD machines are hard at work over there for sure.

JTK · 01-29-2007, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

Anybody registered at the HD-DVD forum. Wonder how they'd react if it showed up there.

I am...

It's not worth it, though.

Spankey · 01-29-2007, 01:38 PM

I wish someone would point Alan to this thread and let him comment on it. Maybe he can see why long time members of that site are fed up. There was nothing antagonizing about yoyo's post at all. It simply re-hashed all past arguments in favor of HD-DVD and shown them all not to be true.

01-29-2007, 11:29 AM	#32
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	The less the number (more negative) means that its back in sales. The closer to 0 - better sales. Leader Blu-ray! http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ The whole history of the graph (max time length) Last edited by Dave; 01-29-2007 at 11:32 AM.

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01-29-2007, 12:47 AM	#21
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	So what was the reason for the ban? What forum rule did the person break?

01-29-2007, 01:14 AM	#23
Alex Pallas Active Member Member since:Sep 2005 Location:The Belly Of The Beast (USA)	nazis r on teh intranets

01-29-2007, 01:45 AM	#25
JBlacklow Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	Since at least last January, AVS Forum has shown a marked bias against Blu-ray and Blu-ray supporters. It's the main reason I don't post in those areas anymore (although you'll see my posts in the audio and RPTV sections occasionally). They were slow to respond to personal attacks on Pioneer representatives and on well-connected individuals such as TDB's Bill Hunt and our own Chris Beveridge of AnimeOnDVD. One poster that I met in person (plazman) has surprised me with the venom he spews and gets away with on a regular basis, since he seemed like a decent guy offline. AVS also allows people such as rdjam to troll the boards while the banhammer is applied without much merit on folks like yoyoniner. They let supposed "insiders" spread propaganda until their lies are unraveled by events or personnel. Two of them, oshodi and tsd2005 were even supported multiple times by other members, until their "dirt" turned out to be false. Only after months of spreading lies with no check or proof of their "inside" status by the mods have they been cut off, and only when actual industry reps directly contradicted them. Much has been mentioned about Amir, so I won't say anything more, but it was truly saddening to see good folks like Ben Waggoner and Stacy Spears step into line as MSFT employees when pressed. I don't bear any real ill will towards them. Whether AVS is the way it is now because of money, spite, or just plain ignorance, and whether it is the actions of a few mods or the whole group, I have no idea. But IMO, it's fallen a great deal in the last year, although it's influence has grown. For somewhat more balanced views, you're better off with the Home Theater Forum or Home Theater Spot, and of course people "in the know" like Bill Hunt and his crew, and the cheerful folks at EngadgetHD.

01-29-2007, 04:27 AM	#26
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	The war IS over. Despite many of us still knocking heads with the usual suspects check out the threads in the HD DVD sections of AVSF. Lots and lots of neutrality, and plans of neutrality, and encouragements to go neutral. Neutrality is deadly to HD DVD. HD DVD only survived by maintaining the hatred of BD, and the absolute confidence that HD DVD would prevail. A neutral is 5-7 sales : 1-3 sales. When HD DVD bothers to offer something to buy. When an Amir spews his hatred, how many on the HD DVD side are listening any more? I wish Universal would put HD DVD out of its misery already, and let's us start getting on with the difficult task of convincing the masses to adopt! Gary

01-29-2007, 06:43 AM	#27
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	Excellent! Go translate and spread!

01-29-2007, 07:43 AM	#28
Dave Mack Active Member Member since:Jan 2007	THAT'S the post I saw this morning! I was shocked that it lasted as long as it did! Removing it, I understand but banning the guy??! The crap people like LAGOSIAN or Plazman dish out daily there in the BD forums(!) is worse! Everyone should register a new name and just slap that post up in both BD and HDdvd forums...!

01-29-2007, 10:34 AM	#29
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	... and the hd dvd sales dropped sharply: Blue - Blu-ray Black - hd dvd

01-29-2007, 10:58 AM	#31
RX-Men-8 Junior Member Member since:Jan 2007	Could you explain the negative number scale on the Y-axis of that graph?

01-29-2007, 11:52 AM	#33
Deane Johnson Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Omaha, NE	Look at the trends of sales at DVD Empire. Same story. http://www.dvdempire.com/index.asp?o...143390&redir=1

01-29-2007, 12:07 PM	#34
iceman Developer Top contributor Member since:May 2003 Home Theater Gallery:13 4K collection:27 Blu-ray collection:121 DVD collection:26 MA collection:1 Digital collection:6 iTunes collection:10 iTunes music:2 Prime collection:3 Trading Score:1	Very well written and pretty much sums it up. If this was posted in the Blu-ray forum I don't see the reason for deleting the post. If it was posted in the HD-DVD forum, a mod should just move the post to the Blu-ray forum. It shouldn't get deleted and the poster (yoyoniner) should definitely NOT be banned because of it! Extremely unprofessional, AVS is supposed to be "neutral". We here at Blu-ray.com are even more tolerant about HD-DVD posts, as long as they are TRUE and based on FACTS, and we are supposed to be biased

01-29-2007, 01:26 PM	#38
GoldenRedux Power Member Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	I can't believe he was banned because of that post. That is absolutely ridiculous. The M$ dollars and FUD machines are hard at work over there for sure.

01-29-2007, 01:38 PM	#40
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	I wish someone would point Alan to this thread and let him comment on it. Maybe he can see why long time members of that site are fed up. There was nothing antagonizing about yoyo's post at all. It simply re-hashed all past arguments in favor of HD-DVD and shown them all not to be true.

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