Vita going to sell?

[linkgx1]

So, I've been thinking about the vita. It looks pretty awesome, no? All I care about is OLED.

But in all seriousness I'm concerned about something. How will the Vita's sales be? The PSP sold well, but lagged behnind the king of handhelds, Nintendo. Well when the 3DS came out, it sold, but not earth shattering. In fact, it's a bit sluggish. I think one of the main problems is that most people don't know the difference between the DS and 3DS (I'm talking about mommy buying their kids the console) as it really hasn't differentiated it self from the 3DS. I think for one the design. When I see the 3DS and try to see it from an unbiased point, I'm like it just has a 3 infront of the 3DS. Isn't this just a special edition of the DS liek the DS lite and DSi?

The name doesn't exactly say I'M DIFFERENT like when you saw Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance.

I read an interview where a Sony exect said he was surprised the 3DS performed the way that he did (but he didn't want to expalin further!).

A giant elephant recently walked into the room-cell phones. Or more notably, Apple. I mean, with the iPad, iPhone and heck even android phones their reaching portables at a VERY fast rate. Gameboys and PSPs used to be KINGS of handheld power up until the iPhone. Phones at very best just played Pacman (at least in the U.S.). But now their advancing so fast. In fact, I think for the first time in history handhelds will be old as soon as they get to the market, 'cause 6 months later the Apple A6 is gonna come out!

Now, I'm wondering how is Sony gonna make it self different? It's VERY powerful, but for now. The butt-touching thingy on the back is quite innovating, but could that save it? Of course you can't get Uncharted on your phone, but you can't get Zelda either. Sony can't reallly use the power (quadcore) because technically by 2013 the power of phones will be AT or Beyond the PS3's capabilities.

I just fear for the VITA because for a handheld htat just plays games it's nearly $300-just like the 3DS. The most wanted gift for kids in 2010 was the iPad. What ever SONY and Nintnedo comes out with Apple, Samsung and whoever can just come out something twice as good shortly thereafter.

So, how do you think the Vita will fare and how will it make it self different from the PSP?

Personally, I think remote play is the biggest thing to make it self different. The ablitity to to use your handheld to contiue a game is just AWESOME. and is what handhelds should be. I just hope it could carry over to the PS4.

[bhampton]

I'm not going to buy one.

I still hate cell phones (even though I have a nice iphone 4.)

Gaming on cell phones is a bit crappy. On the positive side I was able to get the full version of Madden 11 for $0.99 which is not something you will find on any sort of playstation.

-Brian

[Elandyll]

Back when the PSP launched, it was a whole $100 higher than the other portable gaming equivalent (the DS). Some might think that the price difference was justified considering the differences in hardware, but the thing was: if you wanted portable gaming in color, you could either go for a $149 system, or a $249 system.

Here, you have systems at the same price (I foresee, not surprisingly, a sharp drop of at least $50 on the 3DS before the arrival of the PSV) but one is much more advanced than the other.

The difference in sales will here play more on software preference and hardware than purely on price imo, and that may well play in favor of the PSV.

I know I never had the intent of buying a portable gaming anything (I barely play on smart Phones, I find the controls stupid and the creen annoyingly small), but If I can I think I will get myself a PSV.

This thing is sexy, and priced right (and if they can get the interaction PS3 / PSV right, that'll be a double whammy for me).

[linkgx1]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Back when the PSP launched, it was a whole $100 higher than the other portable gaming equivalent (the DS). Some might think that the price difference was justified considering the differences in hardware, but the thing was: if you wanted portable gaming in color, you could either go for a $149 system, or a $249 system.

Here, you have systems at the same price (I foresee, not surprisingly, a sharp drop of at least $50 on the 3DS before the arrival of the PSV) but one is much more advanced than the other.

The difference in sales will here play more on software preference and hardware than purely on price imo, and that may well play in favor of the PSV.

I know I never had the intent of buying a portable gaming anything (I barely play on smart Phones, I find the controls stupid and the creen annoyingly small), but If I can I think I will get myself a PSV.

This thing is sexy, and priced right (and if they can get the interaction PS3 / PSV right, that'll be a double whammy for me).

This reminds me of the PSP commercial where Marcus was like the iPhone was for "calling your girl and texting your grandman"
For me I haven't really bought a handheld because they are too expensive. Gone are the days when the GBA launched at $99. Now they are too much. Which I could deal with, if the games weren't nearly the price of console games. At least with remote play, it gives me more of an incentive. Which reminds me....

How limited is the NGP/Vita when it comes to remote play? Considering the PS3 is still more powerful, I'm curious.

[linkgx1]

This reminds me, speaking of remote play, if you could play 3DS/DS games on teh Wii U. Now that would be awesome. I hope they release an update for the PS3 where you can play your NGP games on it!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by linkgx1

This reminds me of the PSP commercial where Marcus was like the iPhone was for "calling your girl and texting your grandman"
For me I haven't really bought a handheld because they are too expensive. Gone are the days when the GBA launched at $99. Now they are too much. Which I could deal with, if the games weren't nearly the price of console games. At least with remote play, it gives me more of an incentive. Which reminds me....

How limited is the NGP/Vita when it comes to remote play? Considering the PS3 is still more powerful, I'm curious.

Not at all. Remote play doesn't work like you think, the PS3 does all of the heavy lifting and your PSP is input device. Your PS3 will then send the video/audio output over the internet to your PSP. It only really works well for turn based games like Everybody's Golf etc... Anything with a high amount of action is too laggy.

Now if there was a way for Sony to hook a Vita directly into the PS3 via Wi-fi and the PS3 could then send instructions for Vita to decode and process with zero lag, then Sony would have a WiiU like experience by the end of 2011 vs H2 2012 for WiiU.

[SlaughterX]

I think the Vita has a much better chance for success than the PSP did. Nintendo really dropped the ball with the 3DS and it shows in the sales figures in comparison with the original. Sony finally has an understanding on competitive pricing (and Nintendo seems to be doing what Sony used to do, funny what success does to a company).

[becomingwater]

Originally Posted by linkgx1

So, I've been thinking about the vita. It looks pretty awesome, no? All I care about is OLED.

But in all seriousness I'm concerned about something. How will the Vita's sales be? The PSP sold well, but lagged behnind the king of handhelds, Nintendo. Well when the 3DS came out, it sold, but not earth shattering. In fact, it's a bit sluggish. I think one of the main problems is that most people don't know the difference between the DS and 3DS (I'm talking about mommy buying their kids the console) as it really hasn't differentiated it self from the 3DS. I think for one the design. When I see the 3DS and try to see it from an unbiased point, I'm like it just has a 3 infront of the 3DS. Isn't this just a special edition of the DS liek the DS lite and DSi?

The name doesn't exactly say I'M DIFFERENT like when you saw Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance.

I read an interview where a Sony exect said he was surprised the 3DS performed the way that he did (but he didn't want to expalin further!).

A giant elephant recently walked into the room-cell phones. Or more notably, Apple. I mean, with the iPad, iPhone and heck even android phones their reaching portables at a VERY fast rate. Gameboys and PSPs used to be KINGS of handheld power up until the iPhone. Phones at very best just played Pacman (at least in the U.S.). But now their advancing so fast. In fact, I think for the first time in history handhelds will be old as soon as they get to the market, 'cause 6 months later the Apple A6 is gonna come out!

Now, I'm wondering how is Sony gonna make it self different? It's VERY powerful, but for now. The butt-touching thingy on the back is quite innovating, but could that save it? Of course you can't get Uncharted on your phone, but you can't get Zelda either. Sony can't reallly use the power (quadcore) because technically by 2013 the power of phones will be AT or Beyond the PS3's capabilities.

I just fear for the VITA because for a handheld htat just plays games it's nearly $300-just like the 3DS. The most wanted gift for kids in 2010 was the iPad. What ever SONY and Nintnedo comes out with Apple, Samsung and whoever can just come out something twice as good shortly thereafter.

So, how do you think the Vita will fare and how will it make it self different from the PSP?

Personally, I think remote play is the biggest thing to make it self different. The ablitity to to use your handheld to contiue a game is just AWESOME. and is what handhelds should be. I just hope it could carry over to the PS4.

This will sell like hotcakes! The reason is and I know a lot will grunt, but AT&T with the fastest 3G network and the specs to rival any handheld on the market and the first portable with an OLED screen (think amazing battery life). I say it will do very well. By the time it is released there will be some more games and you have a winner! The price is what I expected since an 11 inch OLED monitor is $2,999.

[Shin-Ra]

PS Vita has differentiated itself: dual analog sticks, front and rear touch, 60/120fps augmented reality tracking, new name, always-on(line) properly integrated with social (game) networking, high resolution OLED display, cross-play. There's much more to be demonstrated of the social networking features, we've just seen glimpses.

Crucially two analog sticks. It's been painful watching videos of people playing 3DS games, limited to ABXY face button camera/aiming control in MGS 3D and RE: Revelations. Even Luigi's Mansion's vac control, it was like a twin-stick shooter on GC. Nintendo should have been wincing watching people play MGS Peace Walker. Even 3D platformers are crippled without a second analog and no C-buttons. We've moved beyond constantly hitting a Z-button to center the camera behind the character.

Best portable graphics and production value. This won't change in 2, 3 or even 4 years because there's no incentive for selling premium smartphone games. The controls aren't there, rock-bottom prices and frequent half-price discounts are expected, games don't sell the huge numbers you hear about unless they make it to the top 10 to 25 or get an iTunes 'best this week' or equivalent promotion.

Games with high quality graphics like Infinity Blade and RAGE have less than one hour of continuous gameplay, relying heavily on repeat play, grinding, score attack etc. Compare this with any of the lengthy PSP games from Square-Enix and the quantity of unique content just doesn't compare.

PS Vita isn't a handheld that just plays games, it's equipped to be one of the best portable video players, comics will be much easier to read with the high resolution and multi-touch screen. It should also be an excellent web browsing device with a larger display than a vast majority of smartphones.

[linkgx1]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Not at all. Remote play doesn't work like you think, the PS3 does all of the heavy lifting and your PSP is input device. Your PS3 will then send the video/audio output over the internet to your PSP. It only really works well for turn based games like Everybody's Golf etc... Anything with a high amount of action is too laggy.

Now if there was a way for Sony to hook a Vita directly into the PS3 via Wi-fi and the PS3 could then send instructions for Vita to decode and process with zero lag, then Sony would have a WiiU like experience by the end of 2011 vs H2 2012 for WiiU.

Yeah, Ninty's gotta come up with something fast.

I learned something today.

I was more or less thing of the console doing the heavy lifting. We at least no it's possible since the iPad can do the Onlive thing-a-ma-jigs.

[linkgx1]

Originally Posted by SlaughterX

I think the Vita has a much better chance for success than the PSP did. Nintendo really dropped the ball with the 3DS and it shows in the sales figures in comparison with the original. Sony finally has an understanding on competitive pricing (and Nintendo seems to be doing what Sony used to do, funny what success does to a company).

Sony's made me really happy for once.

But pissed me off with the metal gear HD collection.

[Septimus Prime]

I actually saw and held the Vita last week; it looks and feels nothing like a PSP. The experience was more akin to holding an iPad or other tablet (and the buttons are also really small, but that's a tangent), but since it costs half the price of a tablet, I think it could make a nice, solid dent into that market. Meanwhile, the 3DS, at the same price, feels and looks like a DS—and also launched before DSi even hit its stride—which is probably why it isn't doing so great right now.

[linkgx1]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

PS Vita has differentiated itself: dual analog sticks, front and rear touch, 60/120fps augmented reality tracking, new name, always-on(line) properly integrated with social (game) networking, high resolution OLED display, cross-play. There's much more to be demonstrated of the social networking features, we've just seen glimpses.

Crucially two analog sticks. It's been painful watching videos of people playing 3DS games, limited to ABXY face button camera/aiming control in MGS 3D and RE: Revelations. Even Luigi's Mansion's vac control, it was like a twin-stick shooter on GC. Nintendo should have been wincing watching people play MGS Peace Walker. Even 3D platformers are crippled without a second analog and no C-buttons. We've moved beyond constantly hitting a Z-button to center the camera behind the character.

Best portable graphics and production value. This won't change in 2, 3 or even 4 years because there's no incentive for selling premium smartphone games. The controls aren't there, rock-bottom prices and frequent half-price discounts are expected, games don't sell the huge numbers you hear about unless they make it to the top 10 to 25 or get an iTunes 'best this week' or equivalent promotion.

Games with high quality graphics like Infinity Blade and RAGE have less than one hour of continuous gameplay, relying heavily on repeat play, grinding, score attack etc. Compare this with any of the lengthy PSP games from Square-Enix and the quantity of unique content just doesn't compare.

PS Vita isn't a handheld that just plays games, it's equipped to be one of the best portable video players, comics will be much easier to read with the high resolution and multi-touch screen. It should also be an excellent web browsing device with a larger display than a vast majority of smartphones.

Excellent points. Never thought of it that way.

I don't like the 3DS sliders on the Wii U tablet. To me, it's inferior to the N64.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Not at all. Remote play doesn't work like you think, the PS3 does all of the heavy lifting and your PSP is input device. Your PS3 will then send the video/audio output over the internet to your PSP. It only really works well for turn based games like Everybody's Golf etc... Anything with a high amount of action is too laggy.

Now if there was a way for Sony to hook a Vita directly into the PS3 via Wi-fi and the PS3 could then send instructions for Vita to decode and process with zero lag, then Sony would have a WiiU like experience by the end of 2011 vs H2 2012 for WiiU.

In theory, couldn't devs dedicate 1 or 2 SPUs to real time video encoding of the action (say, DIVX), and over Wifi (if bandwidth will allow) have a back and forth of commands between a PSV and the PS3. Then, the PSV would only have to decompress the video in real time, and that would be a Wii U right there, just with dual cameras, dual touchscreen (OLED frontal) and ability to play your PS3 with the TV off?
If the encoding could be done right in the OS without requiring specific dev in-game programming, -any- game in the PS3 library could be played that way then.

PS Vita isn't a handheld that just plays games, it's equipped to be one of the best portable video players, comics will be much easier to read with the high resolution and multi-touch screen. It should also be an excellent web browsing device with a larger display than a vast majority of smartphones.

Oh! if it has an e-book function ... maybe I can sell buying the PSV as an e-book reader! I got my wife a Nook not so long ago... Geniuuuuuuus!!!

[Shin-Ra]

What Nintendo's done with the 3DS price is actually worse than the PS3. PS3 was very expensive but not overpriced for what you got. It's more like PSPgo which was expensive and way overpriced.

[BirdManJr]

I think sony should focus more time on playstation gaming...and there online service....not handheld stuff.

I am not against handhelds...nintendo does a great job with the ds...alot of kids love it...and for younger kids...stuff like mobigo..annd vreader

But i think more people are into consoles and pc gaming....handheld stuff usually on a cellphone or itouch...the vita is cool...great ideas..i dont think it will sell that great tho...Hopefully i am wrong

[linkgx1]

This discussing remote play is getting me REALLY excited! Play PS3 games on the NGP (No Vita!) and NGP on the PS3 is just too awesome for words.

Wondering if the 3DS coudl do it. Using the Wii U controller as the 3DS bottom screen would be awesome. But not sure if it's practical to do the reverse.

[BlackMamba]

Shin-Ra, doesn't Wii-U have dual analog sticks though?

[linkgx1]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

What Nintendo's done with the 3DS price is actually worse than the PS3. PS3 was very expensive but not overpriced for what you got. It's more like PSPgo which was expensive and way overpriced.

Hell yes. I was about to preorder it, but my mom was like that's too much for a handheld. After analyzing and seeing what Sony did with the NGP, I was extremely surpirsed and glad I didn't buy it. If it were $170 or so I wouldn't care. But damn, that's like a PS3!

[linkgx1]

Originally Posted by BirdManJr

I think sony should focus more time on playstation gaming...and there online service....not handheld stuff.

I am not against handhelds...nintendo does a great job with the ds...alot of kids love it...and for younger kids...stuff like mobigo..annd vreader

But i think more people are into consoles and pc gaming....handheld stuff usually on a cellphone or itouch...the vita is cool...great ideas..i dont think it will sell that great tho...Hopefully i am wrong

I think remote play would work great for busy-bodies like me. That's enough reason to warrant a purchase. I would probaly not buy games made for the Vita just play the PS3 games on it. As I'm usually short on time.