The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by MEB

The theatrical edition of the FOTR Blu-ray does have a magenta push. But it's not anywhere near as strong of a push as the teal push found on the extended edition Blu-ray. At least, not to my eyes. I find the teal push to be much more objectionable.

Here's a good screen capture for comparing the two tints. In my opinion the magenta push of the TE makes Saruman's clothing look more of a "dirty" white rather than outright magenta. The teal push of the EE, however, makes not only his clothing look greenish but also his hair and his beard. Bleh!




BTW, I do not excuse the magenta push of the theatrical Blu-ray. I'd prefer that over the teal push but what SHOULD have been done is give us the look of the extended edition DVDs. They contain neither a magenta or a teal push.

Mark

It's definitely not as obvious because his hair isn't pink and his skin looks normal. I'm not an expert on the theatrical blu rays. I've only seen them once. But what I do remember watching this scene in the theater and on dvd was brilliant white robes against a black background (his tower) that looked just wonderful. The contrast of his white robes and the black tower was very pleasing. In this new master, we have green on black and now the image suddenly loses all meaning.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

No, certain scenes had certain color biases depending on what exactly Peter Jackson wanted to convey. Rivendell does have a red bias, just as many scenes with Sauromon had a chilly blue bias, etc. Watch the featurette, it explains it all.

The difference is the new color grading has a consistent green/teal tint throughout the entire presentation. Scenes that were meant to feel very warm intentionally no longer do (like that Rivendell shot you posted.) That Rivendell shot you posted has that color timing, the original color timing, intentionally. It's not meant to be realistic, it's meant to feel warm and comfortable. It no longer does, the green bias negates this effect completely. Again, people aren't asking for perfect "realism," they're asking for fidelity to the original color timing. You take for granted the effect carefully executed color grading has on the feel of a fantasy film like this. No one wants it to be true to life throughout - that would look flat and bizarre. The original color timing was implemented to impart a mood, changing it can have as drastic effect on the feel of a scene as changing the soundtrack.

Watch the featurette.

Correct, this green hue is crapping all over the movie and if it was something you could actually smell, it would stink just as bad.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

No, certain scenes had certain color biases depending on what exactly Peter Jackson wanted to convey. Rivendell does have a red bias, just as many scenes with Sauromon had a chilly blue bias, etc. Watch the featurette, it explains it all.

The difference is the new color grading has a consistent green/teal tint throughout the entire presentation. Scenes that were meant to feel very warm intentionally no longer do (like that Rivendell shot you posted.) That Rivendell shot you posted had that color timing, the original color timing, intentionally. It's not meant to be realistic, it was meant to feel warm and comfortable. It no longer does, the green bias negates this effect completely. Again, people aren't asking for perfect "realism," they're asking for fidelity to the original color timing. You take for granted the effect carefully executed color grading has on the feel of a fantasy film like this. No one wants it to be true to life throughout - that would look flat and bizarre. The original color timing was implemented to impart a mood, changing it can have as drastic effect on the feel of a scene as changing the soundtrack.

Watch the featurette.

I sorry you don't what the cinematographer approved. He shot it; you didn't.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by retablo

Of course you don't.

And I don't need to show you pics, they are everywhere online. And the red push has been discussed in this thread as well.

If you're THAT lazy, so back to the 2 screencaps I mentioned. Theatrical is WAY red. EE is natural looking.

Lol. I remember how the movie looked. I think you are making it up. Whatever magenta push was used in the film actually looked intentional as opposed to this indiscriminate green haze that covers everything.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by retablo

I sorry you don't what the cinematographer approved. He shot it; you didn't.

Remember that the cinematographer and Jackson also adjusted and approved the TE Blu Rays as well. Both color timing versions are technically "approved."

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Lol. I remember how the movie looked. I think you are making it up. Whatever magenta push was used in the film actually looked intentional as opposed to this indiscriminate green haze that covers everything.

It's also a few posts above. I don't have to make it up to appease thick headed fanboys who think they know better than the cinematographer who actually shot the film and knows more than you how it SHOULD look.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Remember that the cinematographer and Jackson also adjusted and approved the TE Blu Rays as well. Both color timing versions are technically "approved."

Then there shouldn't be ANY issue.

I love how people want to keep the "integrity" of the originals. Well they are preserved in the theatrical blus. These were never released in theatres until now, and this is how they should look. Different films, different looks.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by retablo

I sorry you don't what the cinematographer approved. He shot it; you didn't.

I and the people you're arguing with are talking about the original color timing of the original presentation of the film (which the EE has always mirrored.) This is the version people want to watch and have preserved. You seem to be operating under the delusion that these people want to see perfect realism and "true to life color" in every shot. That's the opposite of the truth, the film has never had true-to-life color.

In that featurette Peter Jackson goes to great lengths to explain why certain color biases were used in certain scenes. The color timing was very carefully implemented to serve a specific purpose. This color timing is all but destroyed by adding a consistent green bias through the entire presentation.

People want the original color timing restored, the color timing everyone saw and fell in love with originally. They don't want that altered anymore than they would want the original soundtrack altered because it has a very direct and drastic effect on the presentation as a whole.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Rivendell and Lothlorien looked breathtaking at the cinema and I noticed the color changes there as well. It worked for me on an emotional level.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I and the people you're arguing with are talking about the original color timing of the original presentation of the film (which the EE has always mirrored.) This is the version people want to watch and have preserved. You seem to be operating under the delusion that these people want to see perfect realism and "true to life color" in every shot. That's the opposite of the truth, the film has never had true-to-life color.

In that featurette Peter Jackson goes to great lengths to explain why certain color biases were used in certain scenes. The color timing was very carefully implemented to serve a specific purpose. This color timing is all but destroyed by adding a consistent green bias through the entire presentation.

People want the original color timing restored, the color timing everyone saw and fell in love with originally. They don't want that altered anymore than they would want the original soundtrack altered because it has a very direct and drastic effect on the presentation as a whole.

How is a greenish tint "true to life color"? (your words) If its a fantasy, and if in fact "the film has never had true-to-life color," then you should have no problem with green snow. That's not very true to life, is it?

Give me a break. I'm sorry you people don't like that the director did to his film. People want a lot of things they don't get. It's called LIFE.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

That's completely illogical. That's like saying michael bay can direct, because he's a director.

He's more of a director than you, I'm assuming.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

Rivendell and Lothlorien looked breathtaking at the cinema and I noticed the color changes there as well. It worked for me on an emotional level.

I will accept that you like this version, because of the fact that you are acting respectable. However, for individuals like red and retablo, their hostility suggests that they are rationalizing their purchasing decision.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by retablo

It's also a few posts above. I don't have to make it up to appease thick headed fanboys who think they know better than the cinematographer who actually shot the film and knows more than you how it SHOULD look.

We know better when it's clear it never looked like this from the beginning. You may like to see revisionism played out on a gross level, but there are a lot who don't. I guarentee you, if you lined a billion people and played back side to side screenshots between the color timings, the vast majority, like 99.9 percent of them would say the prefer the original. You can sit there all you want and back a cinematographer, but guess what, he's just as apt to make mistakes and errors in judgement as anybody else on the planet. So before you get all high and mighty on us, claiming the all knowing/all seeing cinematograoher knows best, you might also want to consider that since, I believe, Warner is in on his future hobbit movies.....that perhaps a little silence, lies, money, influence, greed and corruption talks. BTW, do you perhaps work for Warner?

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by retablo

How is a greenish tint "true to life color"? (your words) If its a fantasy, and if in fact "the film has never had true-to-life color," then you should have no problem with green snow. That's not very true to life, is it?

Give me a break. I'm sorry you people don't like that the director did to his film. People want a lot of things they don't get. It's called LIFE.

I was replying to what you said. You were saying that the original color timing was "super red and unrealistic," and that the new version corrects this.

The original color timing gave Rivendell a "warm" feel for a reason. It was to create a specific mood, just as a soundtrack is meant to enhance mood.

The complaint isn't that this new color timing is more or less realistic than it was before, it's that it's drastically different than it was originally and therefore fosters an entirely different mood in certain scenes (just like slightly tweaking the soundtrack would.) People want the original.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The complaint isn't that this new color timing is more or less realistic than it was before, it's that it's drastically different than it was before and therefore fosters an entirely different mood in certain scenes (just like slightly tweaking the soundtrack would.) People want the original.

Which is why it is perfectly acceptable for those who prefer the original color grade and timings to be annoyed.

[greg_achen]

From the Appendices of the Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition:

So we got the classic reveal of Hobbiton. We didn’t set out to do that much to the shot but even though it’s Hobbiton you would expect that you would actually want to add green, but what we found to give a really warm kind of feel to it is we in fact take green out, a little bit of magenta tends to permeate in, which then sends some of the grays slightly magenta… and then what we do is take some of those magentas and then sort of swing it into a gold world. And as you can see, it starts to put more of a spread into the grass and you know you can just see the different sort of layers happening there and gives a kind of the warm feel that is Hobbiton.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Just curious, how was me responding to your statement about how everyone knew the colors was wrong, a kick?

Its been your entire attitude in general throughout this thread. I'm here right now, because I'm trying to communicate with the public the problems of this transfer, so we can all band together and get something done. If you like the transfer so much, why are you here to convince everyone else they are wrong? If this was really a great transfer, there wouldn't be as many pages as there are now. There would be about 100 or so saying, wow this transfer looks great: and that would be the end of it. There would be nothing else to say.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

People want the original.

They have the original... in the theatrical editions. Those look like they did in the theater.

EEs are different films. They look like this.

I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Even the trailer on the official website has the NEW color timing, because the snow scene is in it. So its obvious this is how its supposed to look.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by retablo

They have the original... in the theatrical editions. Those look like they did in the theater.

EEs are different films. They look like this.

I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Even the trailer on the official website has the NEW color timing, because the snow scene is in it. So its obvious this is how its supposed to look.

How come the Extended Edition didn't look like this on DVD and instead resembled the TE color timing. They had the tools back then to color grade the film the way we are now seeing it.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by retablo

They have the original... in the theatrical editions. Those look like they did in the theater.

EEs are different films. They look like this.

I don't know why that's so hard to understand. Even the trailer on the official website has the NEW color timing, because the snow scene is in it. So its obvious this is how its supposed to look.

That right........keep on rationalizing it. Have a cookie, you'll feel as right as rain.