The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

I didn't mind him

[Show spoiler]falling to his death, but when he got impaled by spikes upon landing. It was soooo Hollywood!

I was like COME ON!

He died because he got stabbed in the back.

[beanham22]

This is going for $64.99 at futureshop in Canada wher I live YEAH!

[rocinante]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Black Friday is not as far as some of you might think.

Good point. Ill probably wait for that. Im guessing Ive seen each of these 10 times. If I bought them next week I wouldnt even watch them. Might be the first time I bought anything on black friday in years. I usually try to avoid shopping that day.

[MEB]

My computer display (24") is regularly calibrated using a colorimeter and calibration software. If I see green, then green is there.

I know everyone has concentrated on the screen shots, but I think these video clips are important too. The person that posted them claims they are all from the extended edition Blu-ray and he's posted them in 720p. Select the 720p version and watch it fullscreen on your display. That eliminates the possibility that colored or white borders from your browser might influence what you see.

Anyone that doesn't see an unnatural green tint to the fog/mist in this first one has to be color blind:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Aragon vs Uruk-hai Leader (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

Green tint here too, but not quite as egregious as the first one:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Extended Edition - Isildur's Death (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

This clip actually looks pretty darn gorgeous. But there is absolutely a green tint to the smoke:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Bilbo's Party [Firework's Scene] (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

Here's a new clip (I've not seen it posted before). This one looks pretty darn gorgeous too. But certain spots in the clip still look too green to me, particularly some background shots of the rocks:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Extended Edition - Orcs and Uruk-hai (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

And another new clip. I find this one almost as ugly with excessive green as the first one. Just about everything is too green, including the walls and the orcs. And there's a ridiculously excessive blue-green (cyan) tint to the haze in the background:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Battle at Balin's Tomb (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

I'd have to go back to my theatrical Blu-ray to double-check, but that last one looks a lot darker than I remember it looking. But, admittedly, it should be dark in there.

Again, to properly evaluate them, select 720p and watch the clips FULLSCREEN.

And, yes, I realize that we are not viewing the actual Blu-ray discs here, it's a copy. But the green (and sometimes cyan) tint I'm seeing is consistent with the tint I see in the screenshots taken directly from the Blu-rays.

And, as a reminder.... One fellow over on AVS and HTF used a scientific method to measure the RGB color values in the FOTR EE title. It is tinted green and it was never tinted green on any previous version. People can say all day that the title LOOKS white to them, science has proven that it is tinted green.

Mark

[BPutman]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Bestbuy.com has it for $69.99 preorder which means it will probably sell for that release week as well in store.

Excellent, that's what I've been waiting for. $69.99 - $5 coupon - $40 in shopkick certificates I've saved up for this = $24.99. That's a definite buy for me.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

He died because he got stabbed in the back.

Funny, the first time I watched Two Towers and they showed Grima Wormtongue, I thought it was Gary Sinise!

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I definitely would have been willing to get rid of some of the pointless/fun stuff for the actual finale (Shire and the ruffnecks). But what can you do.

That scene may not work on film (especially with the 30 other endings to the movie) and one may not personally like it, but the Scouring of the Shire was certainly not pointless...

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Bestbuy.com has it for $69.99 preorder which means it will probably sell for that release week as well in store.

Does Best Buy work like Amazon with pre-orders? Meaning if the price drops before being sent, will they charge you the lower price?

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

I didn't mind him

[Show spoiler]falling to his death, but when he got impaled by spikes upon landing. It was soooo Hollywood!

I was like COME ON!

Jackson missed his big chance here. If he wanted his death to be REALLY spectacular, his body would have been run over by a bus, steamroller, and marching band, similar to Ricardo Montalban in The Naked Gun.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

That scene may not work on film (especially with the 30 other endings to the movie) and one may not personally like it, but the Scouring of the Shire was certainly not pointless...

I think he was referring to some of the other added stuff as pointless, not the scouring of the Shire (which I also don't think would have worked on film).

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Robert Harris

Mr. Hunt, Mr. Potts and I are all viewing the same data.

Disc 1 - 187230A1 4
187230B1 1

Disc 2 - 187250A1 2
187250B1 1

My numbers are identical.

Originally Posted by merrick97

Here is question for everyone:

Isn't it possible that Ken Brown's set is calibrated in a way that might bring out the greens more than how Bill Hunt's or RH's sets?

Anything's possible, but my display is dead on. I'm a nut about proper calibration

Besides, the screenshots are taken directly from the disc, not from my display, and show the tint as it appears.

That said, the green tint, while there throughout the film, is not nearly as obvious when the film is in motion as it is in screenshots. That doesn't mean it isn't as green or cyan on the screen, just that when watching a film in motion without points of reference (screenshot comparisons, true whites, etc) it isn't as apparent. Blues look fairly blue, whites look fairly white, and it only makes itself known during key scenes. (Even though it's there throughout.)

For those who can't see the tint, go to one of the questionable scenes and bring up your PS3 menus/icons, which feature pure white text and symbols. The difference between the whites on the PS3 overlays and the greenish-tinted whites of the film suddenly become all too obvious. Even when you can't see it as easily when the film is playing, it's easier to see when compared to something that is a truer white. Unfortunately, once you see the tint, it's difficult to unsee it afterwards. Proceed with caution

On a separate note, has anyone found a single pixel of pure white in the many, many screenshots posted? I've been scanning with photoshop, and I can't find a single pixel in a single shot that's pure white. (Even the elvish subtitles have a tint to them. Check 1:35:47 when Arwen is speaking.) Still, it has to be said that Jackson may have intentionally applied a tint to the entire film and eliminated all pure white in FOTR, no matter how often pure or near-pure white appears in TTT and ROTK.

Hope all of that helps clarify some of the questions that have been posted lately

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

I didn't mind him

[Show spoiler]falling to his death, but when he got impaled by spikes upon landing. It was soooo Hollywood!

I was like COME ON!

I didn't mind how they did it, I just wanted to see him die.
I just remember when I saw ROTK in the theater, when there was no death scene, I was like what the ****! We've been dealing with this villain for two very long movies and now they're just going to leave him in his tower!?

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

I definitely would have been willing to get rid of some of the pointless/fun stuff for the actual finale (Shire and the ruffnecks). But what can you do.

That scene with Aragorn does indeed ruin a bit of surprise. But most people watch the TE first anyway.

tbh, I thought the Army of the Dead was the worst part of the films. They looked cheesy and killed their foes a bit too easily.

For me, there are two changes to Tolkien's story that are egregious. The worst are the events concerning Frodo's encounter with Faramir. Faramir in the film is not the same character as Faramir in the book. In the film he is shown to have deep flaws, making him untrustworthy. And Frodo never goes to Osgiliath in the book. That is a strange detour on his quest, taking him farther from Minas Morgul.

The other very bothersome changes are those concerning Merry and Pippin and their encounter with Treebeard. These change the personality and character of the Treebeard from the books, into one less formidable. The Ents faces, especially the eyes, look cartoonish. The hobbits are then made to change the minds of the Ents, provoking them into action after they meekly decide to leave things be. Sacrilege!

I got so angry with The Two Towers upon first theater viewing, I walked out in disgust.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by MEB

My computer display (24") is regularly calibrated using a colorimeter and calibration software. If I see green, then green is there.

I know everyone has concentrated on the screen shots, but I think these video clips are important too. The person that posted them claims they are all from the extended edition Blu-ray and he's posted them in 720p. Select the 720p version and watch it fullscreen on your display. That eliminates the possibility that colored or white borders from your browser might influence what you see.

Anyone that doesn't see an unnatural green tint to the fog/mist in this first one has to be color blind:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Aragon vs Uruk-hai Leader (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


Green tint here too, but not quite as egregious as the first one:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Extended Edition - Isildur's Death (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


This clip actually looks pretty darn gorgeous. But there is absolutely a green tint to the smoke:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Bilbo's Party [Firework's Scene] (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


Here's a new clip (I've not seen it posted before). This one looks pretty darn gorgeous too. But certain spots in the clip still look too green to me, particularly some background shots of the rocks:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Extended Edition - Orcs and Uruk-hai (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


And another new clip. I find this one almost as ugly with excessive green as the first one. Just about everything is too green, including the walls and the orcs. And there's a ridiculously excessive blue-green (cyan) tint to the haze in the background:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Fellowship of the Ring - Battle at Balin's Tomb (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏


I'd have to go back to my theatrical Blu-ray to double-check, but that last one looks a lot darker than I remember it looking. But, admittedly, it should be dark in there.

Again, to properly evaluate them, select 720p and watch the clips FULLSCREEN.

And, yes, I realize that we are not viewing the actual Blu-ray discs here, it's a copy. But the green (and sometimes cyan) tint I'm seeing is consistent with the tint I see in the screenshots taken directly from the Blu-rays.

And, as a reminder.... One fellow over on AVS and HTF used a scientific method to measure the RGB color values in the FOTR EE title. It is tinted green and it was never tinted green on any previous version. People can say all day that the title LOOKS white to them, science has proven that it is tinted green.

Mark

Excellent post and videos. I certainly see the greenish tint to it, but I HARDLY find it to be offensive at all. I am evaluating these on my widescreen computer monitor at work, but when I get home I will do a more thorough analysis using my youtube app on my Oppo bluray player.

[Darkhawk9587]

Wow, looks like I've missed an epic battle going on here on the forums while I was away. The tint is definitely noticeable, but so long it isn't too big a distraction, I think I could live with it.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

On a separate note, has anyone found a single pixel of pure white in the many, many screenshots posted? I've been scanning with photoshop, and I can't find a single pixel in a single shot that's pure white. (Even the elvish subtitles have a tint to them. Check 1:35:47 when Arwen is speaking.) Yes, Jackson may have intentionally applied a tint to the entire film and eliminated all pure white, but that would be a strange decision indeed.

Maybe for the ultimate edition we will see a new special feature on the merits of a uniform green tint, a fade to green, and the symbolism of green subtitles (as opposed to something more white).

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by griezzel

The other very bothersome changes are those concerning Merry and Pippin and their encounter with Treebeard. These change the personality and character of the Treebeard in the books, into one less forminable. The Ents faces, especially the eyes, look cartoonish. The hobbits are then made to change the minds of the Ents, provoking them into action after they meekly decide to leave things be. Sacrilege!

I personally didn't see the point of going to all the trouble to have the Ents go to Entmoot, decide NOT to attack Saruman, and then change their mind on the spur of a moment dialog with Merry and Pippin. But that's just my opinion.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Excellent post and videos. I certainly see the greenish tint to it, but I HARDLY find it to be offensive at all. I am evaluating these on my widescreen computer monitor at work, but when I get home I will do a more thorough analysis using my youtube app on my Oppo bluray player.

I wish the guy would post some clips of the snow scenes. Every screenshot where there's been snow has looked really bad. It would be nice to see a video representation.

Mark

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

For those who can't see the tint, go to one of the questionable scenes and bring up your PS3 menus/icons, which feature pure white text and symbols. The difference between the whites on the PS3 overlays and the greenish-tinted whites of the film suddenly become all too obvious. Even when you can't see it as easily when the film is playing, it's easy to see when compared to something that is a truer white. Unfortunately, once you see the tint, it's difficult to unsee it afterwards. Proceed with caution

To me this brings up an interesting question:

Have we gotten to the point that when watch films that we love that we are now at a point where we just look to find things wrong with it?

My philosophy is to watch a film enjoy how it looks and let the errors (DNR, bad coloring, edge enhancement) FIND YOU.

Patton and Predator are examples of films in which the bad things found me.

[willdude]

Originally Posted by MEB

Here's a new clip (I've not seen it posted before). This one looks pretty darn gorgeous too. But certain spots in the clip still look too green to me, particularly some background shots of the rocks:

YouTube - ‪★LOTR Extended Edition - Orcs and Uruk-hai (Blu-ray 720p)★‬‏

That fourth clip is from Two Towers. Does that help it look any less green?