Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Leave the Imperial March where it is, dammit! That reveal of the Super Star Destroyer in Empire is just perfect.

Nobody talked about that scene... it´s fine the way it is!

Originally Posted by Jay444

You clearly missed the point of what I was saying. A New Hope (thematically) is about just that: Hope. That new hope happens to be Luke Skywalker and not his evil father. At no point is the Imperial March necessary in that film due to the overall themes of hope and rebellion (if you can't pick up on that, you need to rewatch the film). The Imperial March is the anti-thesis to those very themes and belongs in the Empire Strikes Back which has overtones of hoplessness and oppression.

Yet, not every scene and every moment is about "Hope". You might have noticed that there is a love theme in "Empire strikes back" for example. They are not playing the "Imperial March" for two hours because the title is about the Empire. You also might have noticed that Darth Vader appears in some scenes in "A new Hope"...

Originally Posted by greg_achen

If John Williams were to actually re-score a portion of the film to include the Imperial March in A New Hope, like what Howard Shore did with the Extended Editions in The Lord of the Rings, I might not be opposed to it. However, if the plan is to just cut a selection of the Imperial March from a previous film and paste it into A New Hope, I would be against that. One need only watch Attack of the Clones to hear why this is a bad idea. A large portion of it is a hatchet job of music lifted directly from previous films edited together to pass as a score. If you are going to do it, do it right, or don't do it all. Leave the music up to the professionals is my motto.

Of course, do it correctly or don´t do it at all.

[Shaft Windu]

I'm not married to the idea - it's just something that could be done to connect certain themes and ideas...

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I'm not married to the idea - it's just something that could be done to connect certain themes and ideas...

Of course, it was just about what could possibly be changed or enhanced in the upcoming Blu-Ray editions since it will certainly be something.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Yet, not every scene and every moment is about "Hope". You might have noticed that there is a love theme in "Empire strikes back" for example. They are not playing the "Imperial March" for two hours because the title is about the Empire. You also might have noticed that Darth Vader appears in some scenes in "A new Hope"...

Okay, we are talking about two different things. Yes, the Star Wars has the title A New Hope. It is given that title because it is about just that. Hope. It has THEMES (not musical, but overall THEMES and in film we are referring to tone). The overal theme of the first Star Wars was about hope and rebellion, was it not? The sequel was not about those things. It had a very different tone/theme in which musical queues like the Imperial March are indeed quite fitting. Not so much with the first Star Wars film.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Okay, we are talking about two different things. Yes, the Star Wars has the title A New Hope. It is given that title because it is about just that. Hope. It has THEMES (not musical, but overall THEMES and in film we are referring to tone). The overal theme of the first Star Wars was about hope and rebellion, was it not? The sequel was not about those things. It had a very different tone/theme in which musical queues like the Imperial March are indeed quite fitting. Not so much with the first Star Wars film.

I guess there is no way I can explain to you what I´m talking about. Nevermind, it´s not that important.

[goodluckchuck]

Originally Posted by kdo

Guys, I don't think we need to turn this forum into another "Star Wars" disaster thread, so I'll make it short and simple...Yes, "Empire" is the best Star Wars film, and at one time I very much enjoyed it. Then Lucas started all his revisionist crap with the original films, and then completely undermined the integrity of the original trilogy with those awful, nauseating prequels...at which point I lost any and all interest in the entire series. Sorry.

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

[starwarsagent]

Originally Posted by Scooter1836

I remember many bad reviews that ESB got. But most of those were from critics that were either in the mind set of the previous generation or trying to compare it to the maga hit SW was. Fans fo the genre gave it good reviews.

SW brought the science fiction/fanatsy genre into the mainstream and in 1980 there were still a lot of critics around that could not accept that.

Critics are for people with no dimension...no self control and no decision making skills. They are for the UNDECIDED.

I never listen to critics because I know what I like. It's simple really.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

Critics are for people with no dimension...no self control and no decision making skills. They are for the UNDECIDED.

I never listen to critics because I know what I like. It's simple really.

Are you george lucas?

[starwarsagent]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Franchise fatigue doesn't really set in if you continue to make the movies in a given franchise good (of which Transformers, the new Pirates, and the SW Prequels aren't.)

These days movies die out in 2 weeks. they fizzle and go away. I wanted to see THOR and found out only one movie theater is playing it on a 100 miles radius.

Star Wars ran for more than 6 months, release after re-release...and a year later people were still shocked over it.

[starwarsagent]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Are you george lucas?

lol. No Boone. I'm just one of his Agents on a Mission.

[starwarsagent]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Leave the Imperial March where it is, dammit! That reveal of the Super Star Destroyer in Empire is just perfect.

I'm sure we are going to hear the imperial march once again in the future...TV SHOW, Clone Wars,video game. etc.

[LordCrumb]

three posts in a row, congrats starwarsagent, you officially graduated to the Jedi Spam Council.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

Critics are for people with no dimension...no self control and no decision making skills. They are for the UNDECIDED.

I never listen to critics because I know what I like. It's simple really.

No, the best critics are journalists and essayists. A proper review's intention isn;t to tell you good or bad... its to analyze the strengths and weaknesses and let YOU decide. Another reason why Ebert always hated the simple thumbs up/down thing, because it generalizes a review into black and white. Cahiers du Cinema in its inception wasn't about good or bad, but analysis and study.

And, besides, I'm pretty sure you don't love EVERY film you think you will. Everyone is let down now and then.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Leave the Imperial March where it is, dammit! That reveal of the Super Star Destroyer in Empire is just perfect.

Too bad that it didn't do anything in 2 movies, got beaten by a few A-wings and then was destroyed in the most outdated SFX shot of the entire saga..

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

These days movies die out in 2 weeks. they fizzle and go away. I wanted to see THOR and found out only one movie theater is playing it on a 100 miles radius.

Star Wars ran for more than 6 months, release after re-release...and a year later people were still shocked over it.

So you are saying Sar Wars are the best films ever made??

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

These days movies die out in 2 weeks. they fizzle and go away. I wanted to see THOR and found out only one movie theater is playing it on a 100 miles radius.

Star Wars ran for more than 6 months, release after re-release...and a year later people were still shocked over it.

Different times in 1977. There was no home video, cable (of any significance), on demand, or torrents. If a film made its way to television, it was after a very long wait. If you really wanted to see a film, there was only one place to see it.

[Brightstar]

Then VHS came along in the 70s and 80s which brought movies home

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Aquel

Too bad that it didn't do anything in 2 movies, got beaten by a few A-wings and then was destroyed in the most outdated SFX shot of the entire saga..

Well. The Executor SSD was there for dramatic effect at least, larger than any other in the Imperial Fleet, save for the Expanded Universe with the later Star Dreadnoughts/SSDs. It had the regular Star Destroyers to deal with the Rebel scum.

[s2mikey]

Just for the hell of it last night my bro and I threw in the unaltered original New Hope that was released on DVD a few years back in that set. After scanning through some of the effects-laden footage, I must admit: Some of the effects shots are pretty dodgy and I for one am GLAD that those have been touched up and modernized. Theres hardly any dog-fighting in the Yavin Battle - its mostly close ups and was quite obvious they were avoiding having to show too much. This scene has the MOST improvements, IMO.

The light sabres look suspect in many shots, there are ships that fly right through other ships(obvious mistakes) and various other things that just dont look right. The same can be said for the big ship battle at the end of ROTJ which we also took a look at.

I think what he and I agreed on was that the effects clean up and modernization of some of the action shots are welcomed changes and they make the films look better. Period. We DO agree that han shot first, the Jabba barge song is way better in the original-unaltered ROTJ, and there are other things here and there that arent the best additions.

Overall though - go and watch the originals or at least watch the scenes Im talking about.... you'll be HAPPY they did make some updates. Trust me.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Just for the hell of it last night my bro and I threw in the unaltered original New Hope that was released on DVD a few years back in that set. After scanning through some of the effects-laden footage, I must admit: Some of the effects shots are pretty dodgy and I for one am GLAD that those have been touched up and modernized. Theres hardly any dog-fighting in the Yavin Battle - its mostly close ups and was quite obvious they were avoiding having to show too much. This scene has the MOST improvements, IMO.

The light sabres look suspect in many shots, there are ships that fly right through other ships(obvious mistakes) and various other things that just dont look right. The same can be said for the big ship battle at the end of ROTJ which we also took a look at.

I think what he and I agreed on was that the effects clean up and modernization of some of the action shots are welcomed changes and they make the films look better. Period. We DO agree that han shot first, the Jabba barge song is way better in the original-unaltered ROTJ, and there are other things here and there that arent the best additions.

Overall though - go and watch the originals or at least watch the scenes Im talking about.... you'll be HAPPY they did make some updates. Trust me.

I just watched the originals (SW and ESB) last night and I loved every minute of them just they way they are. They looked just as they did when I was 12 and 15 years old and I wouldn't change them for the world.