Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[Coov]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Saying in every other post "Lucas and those that follow him are nothing but mindless bots, he just want cash, he does not care for anything, he is a childhood rapist......" and so on his bashing.

I hope you can see the difference in that? If not, oh well! It's the Internet afterall

Sounds like you may be generalizing just a bit.

Those of us that are passionate about having the unaltered versions are obviously annoyed by our voices not being heard. It seems like an obvious decision, and frankly common sense, to have these historic films from our childhood as well as GL's newest altered versions. Luckily we have sources available that can tide us over until we receive official releases.

What rubs us the wrong way are the ones who enjoy us not getting what we want and having fun with it. Of course we will be repeating ourselves over and over and over... If the redundancy of the posts scoffing us would stop, our redundancy will certainly end as well. We can't help but defend what we love... and even lose ourselves in doing it at times.

Sometimes we may find ourself stooping down to the level of those trying to get under our skin... so for that I would like to apologize.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Roonan

Why? What's wrong with those?

Degrained, pumped up colors. Look nothing like original IB Tech prints, which had warmer more pastel colors. The new Disney products look like carebears cartoons.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Coov

Sounds like you may be generalizing just a bit.

Those of us that are passionate about having the unaltered versions are obviously annoyed by our voices not being heard. It seems like an obvious decision, and frankly common sense, to have these historic films from our childhood as well as GL's newest altered versions. Luckily we have sources available that can tide us over until we receive official releases.

What rubs us the wrong way are the ones who enjoy us not getting what we want and having fun with it. Of course we will be repeating ourselves over and over and over... If the redundancy of the posts scoffing us would stop, our redundancy will certainly end as well. We can't help but defend what we love... and even lose ourselves in doing it at times.

Sometimes we may find ourself stooping down to the level of those trying to get under our skin... so for that I would like to apologize.

Exactly!

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Coov

What rubs us the wrong way are the ones who enjoy us not getting what we want and having fun with it. Of course we will be repeating ourselves over and over and over..

We both know that's not always the case. And this thread is proof of it.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Roonan

We both know that's not always the case. And this thread is proof of it.

Umm most of the time it is the case and this thread is proof of that. The same handful that just love to push the buttons of people that are pissed off about the whole mess. You can go back to everyone of my posts and it's always in response to people having so much fun with the "I hope he never releases the UOT because it will mess up my vision of SW theme...

Of course I have no idea how we got here when the big debate was if Lucas gave the public a 2004 transfer vs a new transfer for a new medium. So those that are pre ordering are you ok with a release that might include the 2004 transfers?

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Roonan

We both know that's not always the case. And this thread is proof of it.

Pretty consistent and I stand by it. Of course you have to take in consideration that in this thread mods have been weeding, cutting, re-locating posts all of the time. Less now since many bans are seemingly still in place.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Beast

Who to say that he was happy with the color schemes? Peter Jackson clearly wasn't. See the extended FotR.

Well George was clearly happy with the colour scheme of the Original Trilogy other wise why, when restoring the movies for the 1997 Special editions, did he instruct them to use the technicolor prints as stated here?:

Much of the "corrected" version of the O-neg was accomplished by the work of YCM Labs, who combated the color fading by re-timing the image to bring back its lustre. "Darth Vader isn't black anymore," says Pete Comandini, engineer at the company, "he starts out coming up to a navy blue and then getting brighter and brighter as the film continues to deteriorate." To guide them in how the film should look, they used dye-transfer Technicolor prints. Technicolor was still making dye-transfer prints in the late 70s in the United Kingdom, though they would soon phase them out. Rather than using chemicals to make release prints, like Kodak or DeLuxe, which had bad contrast, poor color reproduction and heavy grain, but are inexpensive and easy to make, these prints were made of three strips of dyed film, which gave the prints a vibrant image with a very fine grain structure. More importantly, because they are not chemical but dye-based, they never fade. George Lucas loaned YCM Labs his very own personal Technicolor print, which still looked the same as it had when he put it in storage some twenty years earlier. "George had a private [Technicolor] print in the basement of his home," Gagliano notes. "For the color timing he told us to go for that look: 'That's the Star Wars I made,' he told us."

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by adywan

Unfortunate, the whole "the films don't exist anymore" argument is a bit of a fabrication on Lucasfilms part and was used as an excuse as to why George wasn't releasing restored versions of the film and why we were only getting an old laserdisc transfer. This has now been debunked now Lucas himself has changed the argument to "It would be cost prohibitive", which means they can restore the originals but he doesn't want to do it because of money. There have been people saying that they can't use the technicolor prints to do any sort of restorations because the quality would be below par and no one in their right mind would do a HD version from a print. But this isn't true. Sections of the Technicolor print were used for the 1996/7 restoration for sections that were too badly damaged on the negative, so it can be done.

One thing that the worshippers that say that the latest versions of the original trilogy with the latest changes need to remember is that these use to be called the "Special Editions". They were never called the "definitive Editions". They were just that; a special edition of the classics. It's only since 2004 that Lucasfilm stopped adding the Special Edition tag. If he had just kept these versions as a special edition and given the same restoration to the unaltered trilogy, then he could have made as many changes as he liked and most people would be happy with that as the newer versions would just be fun alternatives and the ones that liked the changes could see it as their version. But the ones that like the changes are usually the ones that tell everyone else to "quit *****ing" just because they got their new versions. Now just turn the tables a minute. What would these same people be doing right now if George suddenly back tracked and decided that only the Original Unaltered versions , fully restored, would be on the Blu-Rays and that the Special Edition versions no longer existed? You can bet they would be doing exactly the same thing as the ones who aren't getting the originals.

I agree that ideally he should release both versions of the films, but bi%^ing abou tit on here won't make a difference, and just pi%$es those who enjoy them the way they are off, as WE have to listen to same thing over and over and over....and over again.

I don't see the point of that.

Originally Posted by Jacobss

Even Spielberg said that couldn't convince Lucas to release the OUT. He said that in a recent interview.

Also, there some nice quote from James Cameron about Lucas changing the movies:


So, a question to Lucas defenders: When even two big directors like Spielberg or Cameron admit or complain about what Lucas has done, maybe it's time to accept, that complaining about not releasing the OUT is something more than "Lucas bashing by haters"?

Those are their opinions, and that's fine. To each his own.

Lucas is entitled to do what he wants. He worked hard to gain his freedom.

I wouldn't want other people to tell me how they want my songs.
It's the artist's decision! PERIOD!

If some dude only likes to record on vintage equipment, then good for him.
I prefer the best of the best, be it old or new.

Originally Posted by marlon dingle

The problem I find with Lucas is that he keeps trying to "perfect" these movies, which any normal person would know is impossible.

IMO the problem is that he only goes half way.

The SE were more like a testing ground to see if he could do the stuff that he envisioned for the PT.

He has enough funds to let ILM finish the once and for all.

That what I am/was hoping for the coming BD set.

Originally Posted by Jay444

Hey, just curious but why two copies of the complete saga? I imagine for collecting purposes, but why not wait on the second copy until like Black Friday or something when you can score it cheaper? Not picking on you at all, just curious. I assume you are going to do the exact same thing I am when you get the set; watch the Phantom Menace?

That's what I am going to do, if I am happy with the set, that is.

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Umm most of the time it is the case and this thread is proof of that. The same handful that just love to push the buttons of people that are pissed off about the whole mess. You can go back to everyone of my posts and it's always in response to people having so much fun with the "I hope he never releases the UOT because it will mess up my vision of SW theme...

Of course I have no idea how we got here when the big debate was if Lucas gave the public a 2004 transfer vs a new transfer for a new medium. So those that are pre ordering are you ok with a release that might include the 2004 transfers?

As stated above, I am with you on him releasing the UOT on BD, remastered yet unaltered, but complaining about it HERE WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

Some of us are just sick and tired of it.

Regarding your last paragraph:

I don't know. I never bought the 2004 DVDs, as I was in VN at that time, and then BD came out, and I wanted to wait to experience them in the best format possible.

I have seen them on DVD a few times, and, despite them being DVDs (with nasty compression artifacts and all), they looked pretty darn good to me, but that was a few years back, so perhaps my opinion would be different now.

I wonder how long the artifacts pointed out by ADYWAN and so on last, as the one I checked out (TESB Hoth explosion with white P) lasted 1 sec. max., and I think most people never noticed the error in Death Star Attack!?!?

Can Adywan shed light on this?

If the transfers are a bit lighter, with less black crush, I think we are in for a treat, but I reserve my judgment until I see the final product.

[killermike2178]

Originally Posted by Coov

I don't know your sources, but I heard differently. Since Jake is older they imposed him on Hayden.

Update: Saw the clip myself. It was AWESOME!!! Went something like this...

PALPATINE: Good. Good. The Force is strong with you. A powerful Sith you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth . . . Vader.

ANAKIN: YIPPEE!!!

I saw another:

Ship crashes into Coruscant surface

OBI-WAN: Another happy landing.

ANAKIN: Now, *that* was podracing!

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I agree that ideally he should release both versions of the films, but bi%^ing abou tit on here won't make a difference, and just pi%$es those who enjoy them the way they are off, as WE have to listen to same thing over and over and over....and over again.

I don't see the point of that.



Those are their opinions, and that's fine. To each his own.

Lucas is entitled to do what he wants. He worked hard to gain his freedom.

I wouldn't want other people to tell me how they want my songs.
It's the artist's decision! PERIOD!

If some dude only likes to record on vintage equipment, then good for him.
I prefer the best of the best, be it old or new.



IMO the problem is that he only goes half way.

The SE were more like a testing ground to see if he could do the stuff that he envisioned for the PT.

He has enough funds to let ILM finish the once and for all.

That what I am/was hoping for the coming BD set.



That's what I am going to do, if I am happy with the set, that is.



As stated above, I am with you on him releasing the UOT on BD, remastered yet unaltered, but complaining about it HERE WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

Some of us are just sick and tired of it.

"Bi%^ing" about us "bi%^ing" about is getting just as old.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

but bi%^ing aboutit on here won't make a difference, and just pi%$es those who enjoy them the way they are off, as WE have to listen to same thing over and over and over....and over again.

You'll survive.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Coov

"Bi%^ing" about us "bi%^ing" about is getting just as old.

Originally Posted by al cos.

You'll survive.

I see you have zero interest in actually getting results.

Good luck, .....

[Coov]

In my experience there is no such thing as luck.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by NMR1723

Wow...he has every right to post in this thread as you or me. He has a take and he's sticking to it. I see nothing wrong with his posts whatsoever...they may be hostile towards GL...but unless you are GL or are a close friend or relative...I don't see why you would get so upset. There are just as many posts praising Lucas and putting down people who do not agree with his current vision....

Nothing wrong with misinformation and LIES?

It's the same post worded slightly differently over and over (and OFF TOPIC) again with BS rumors and urban legends.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Nothing wrong with misinformation and LIES?

It's the same post worded slightly differently over and over (and OFF TOPIC) again with BS rumors and urban legends.

What lie? What? There was a post in this thread awhile back that stated that when TESB was chosen Lucas asked what version and they said they wanted the original 1980 version! Misinformation? If it is it was not started by me! But keep working harder and you might get your wish of getting me banned of course everyone can see what is going on now and there are a few of you working it really hard. OBTW the post was not off topic and it was about the 2004 Transfer. I never derailed this thread! But yet it gets turned on me? I think you need to go back and read the last 20 pages and see where this thread got off track.

I just posted a question a few posts back about the 2004 transfer and I was still attacked by someone...

[NMR1723]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Nothing wrong with misinformation and LIES?

It's the same post worded slightly differently over and over (and OFF TOPIC) again with BS rumors and urban legends.

The other thread just got closed as I was typing this...oh well...I'll post it here...

From what I've read (hundreds of pages worth), he (Cowboy) and others have backed up their points pretty much every time with a link or a fact. Heck...most of the time it's in response to an uninformed post from the other side of the Star Wars fence (now...more like the Great Wall).

I think this thread (Blu-ray release thread) has stayed on topic for a good while now. Discussing the possibility that these could be the same problematic 2004 transfers is definitely on topic and should be discussed. Someone simply pointed out what some people may say regarding this possibility...and that person (not Cowboy) was dead on! Cowboy was simply pointing out to everyone that the OP was correct. Is that so bad? People need to get a little thicker skin here...no?

I love Star Wars...love it...I have every d*mn vintage Kenner figure except Yak Face...my son talks flippin' Clone Wars CONSTANTLY (he's 3)...but even I can see the issues that plagued the 2004 release...and yes...they do bother me. At one time, I was super passionate about these issues, the SE, and PT...but time, family life, and the Clone Wars have healed some of these "wounds". I totally get where Cowboy and others are coming from as well as the SE and PT lovers. It's just a shame that GL chose to satisfy one side of his fan base while completely alienating another.

I'd pay huge $$$ to get a Blade Runner like set...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by NMR1723

From what I've read (hundreds of pages worth), he (Cowboy) and others have backed up their points pretty much every time with a link or a fact. Heck...most of the time it's in response to an uninformed post from the other side of the Star Wars fence (now...more like the Great Wall).

Saying that the Library of Congress told Lucas to take a flying leap? That Star Wars is unrecognizable? All the other hyperbole and BS is the truth now???

[NMR1723]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Saying that the Library of Congress told Lucas to take a flying leap? That Star Wars is unrecognizable? All the other hyperbole and BS is the truth now???

I'll concede on the Library of Congress quote as I have not seen anything to back it up. Let's hope they have the originals though...

Star Wars may very well be unrecognizable to him. That sounds like an opinion to me. I'm sure he can back that up with many scenes and changes that make him feel that way...especially in Star Wars (A New Hope to some) where various changes alter the pace and feeling of the film.

Look...I'm not here to fight someone else's battle...or fight a battle at all. My initial reply was towards PhatRat's post telling Cowboy to "go". I think that was a bit uncalled for. I like reading Cowboy's posts along with many others (on both sides) on this site regarding Star Wars. If only one side was allowed to voice an opinion...then myself and others would not be here. Maybe that's what some of you want...but I like reading posts from both sides of the camp. I've learned a ton about Star Wars that I didn't know from everyone in these threads. And guess what? I probably would have never known any of it if people weren't posting (arguing at times) in the two (now one) Star Wars threads I visit.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Saying that the Library of Congress told Lucas to take a flying leap? That Star Wars is unrecognizable? All the other hyperbole and BS is the truth now???

Obviously people are exaggerating to some degree with statements like the ones mentioned here But if the Library of Congress (for example) accepted the original version of ANH and TESB, and wouldn't accept the updated versions when Lucas offered them up, then the essence of that statement is true.

I don't think any rational adult would read that and assume that the Library of Congress LITERALLY told Lucas to "take a flying leap." The point still remains the same.

The idea that "Star Wars is unrecognizable" is also obviously an exaggeration AND it's also subjective opinion. To an extent, that may be true from the point of view of the person making the statement. It doesn't mean that it's universally true for all people.

Apparently common sense just isn't all that common these days.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Coov

Pretty consistent and I stand by it. Of course you have to take in consideration that in this thread mods have been weeding, cutting, re-locating posts all of the time. Less now since many bans are seemingly still in place.

Thanks for proving my point, Mods!