Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[PlayLoud]

Originally Posted by Reference_head

Off topic from the blu rays but in starwars 3 has anyone else ever wondered why when yoda and obi-wan talked about who’s going to fight who. It made no sense that they didn’t both confront (kill/try) the emperor first (he was just down the street after all), and then both find and kill Vader together? (Plus having the last two Jedi’s in their prime go into hiding while the rest of the galaxy dealt with tyranny for 18 long years was kind of strange as well lol). Great movies though i can’t wait.

Well, I thought they should have taken on Vader first. Get him out of the way. Then they could focus on the Emperor.

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by Reference_head

Off topic from the blu rays but in starwars 3 has anyone else ever wondered why when yoda and obi-wan talked about who’s going to fight who. It made no sense that they didn’t both confront (kill/try) the emperor first (he was just down the street after all), and then both find and kill Vader together? (Plus having the last two Jedi’s in their prime go into hiding while the rest of the galaxy dealt with tyranny for 18 long years was kind of strange as well lol). Great movies though i can’t wait.

It would have ruined the cross-cutting.

[Reference_head]

In sw2 obi-wan gets mad at Anakin because he doesn’t fight together. Then in sw3 against dooku he brings it up again before they fight. But then a few days later (2hrs in movie time) it never crosses his mind lol. Lucas is a film genius but some of the ways he connects parts leave me lost.

[Reference_head]

Originally Posted by earmullet

It would have ruined the cross-cutting.

Don’t get me wrong those fights are the best of starwars imho. Its just the way they connected it didn’t make sense to how they had done before.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Chris81

"The one other thing I'll say is that the Prequel Trilogy deleted scenes appear to be IN ADDITION to those that were included on the DVDs. So this seems to be all-new material for those films."

To me this sounds like the deleted scenes from the DVDs won't be included. Especially the second sentence.

I initially thought the same way.

Originally Posted by jyenor

I remember being a Star Wars fan in the early 90's as a kid (was born in 1986).

A time when I was part of a generation born after ROTJ was in theaters. There were no toys on shelves. The only material being produced was adult novels I was too young to be aware of. As a 7 year old when I discovered Star Wars it basically was non-existant to my generation. It was before the VHS relaunch in 1995 so I never even saw the VHS's on sale anywhere before. None of my friends had ever heard of it. I discovered it basically by chance. To me I thought almost nobody knew what these films were. I had no reason to know how huge the franchise was. I basically felt alone as a fan, I thought I found something amazing no one else figured out. It was very lonely out there.

Being a Star Wars fan today feels almost as lonely. A fan of the PT, the SE OT, the Television series. It seems everyone hates part of it nowadays.

The SE really brought SW back into the public, yet a number of OT fans hate them with a passion.

First the SE, than the PT, then The Clone Wars series, and one day the live action series, which I am really looking forward too.

It's great being a SW fan, but also insanely frustrating sometimes, as some people can no longer enjoy the movies for what they are, and try their best to ruin everyone's enjoyment of them.

There are some people in this thread, where I truly wonder why they are here, what they are doing here. Yes, I am looking at YOU.
Anyways, my enjoyment of the greatest Saga of all time will never be diminished by anyone, because I make up my own mind about things, and am ale to think for myself.

Originally Posted by Jay444

Which is hilarious because that statement is also an absolute, is it not? I have to wonder if George realizes 'words have meanings.' Anyway, I am pretty stoked for this release. Really excited for the deleted scenes (Jedi especially).

I think you are taking it too seriously.

Like in Buddhism, you say one thing that seems to be an absolute, when the whole philosophy is built on relativity, bu THEY know it, and they are not afraid of using words.
I can say sth. is bad, but know that it is only bad, because of my subjective opinion, my personal preferences, my taste, my comparison with it to sth. else and so on. In a word: I am fully aware that good or bad are relative terms.

If people cling on to words too much, as some of you do in this instance, they don't understand the true meaning.

Language is just a tool to communicate. It's not communication itself, nor is it absolute, as nothing is. See, I just did it myself, but I know, and that's all that matters.

I have "absolutely" no problem with that line, and it fits either way.

[ahossein79]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Is that really the point though? I couldn't care less if sticking Hayden Christensen in there wrapped up a story plot hole, or any other story related issue. The problem for me is that it makes no historical sense; we have here an actor appearing in a 1983 film even though he was only 2 years old at the time. It's dumb and offensive and makes no sense whatsoever to the few of us who still wish to pretend the prequels don't exist. What the hell am I supposed to tell my kids when they're ready to watch Star Wars and they see Hayden and ask who he is? I'll have to reveal to them the existence of the prequel trilogy, which of course they'll want to watch, and forever taint their Star Wars experience.

Whatever man your post is just off topic and baiting, how about instead of being a annoying overbearing parent that your kids end up hating, how about letting them make up their own minds on how they feel about the Star Wars films. I love how the older generation of fans won't let a new generation of fans make up their own opinion, BTW I am 32. If you really hate the prequels and all the changes so much I suggest you watch something other than Star Wars.............

[Kirk Out]

Originally Posted by Reference_head

Off topic from the blu rays but in starwars 3 has anyone else ever wondered why when yoda and obi-wan talked about who’s going to fight who. It made no sense that they didn’t both confront (kill/try) the emperor first (he was just down the street after all), and then both find and kill Vader together? (Plus having the last two Jedi’s in their prime go into hiding while the rest of the galaxy dealt with tyranny for 18 long years was kind of strange as well lol). Great movies though i can’t wait.

yea i know what you are saying but yoda doesnt need backup hes freaking YODA! lol
o and cgi yoda for ep 1......

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by ahossein79

...how about letting them make up their own minds on how they feel about the Star Wars films.

That's exactly what I told him, but sadly, my post seems to have been deleted.

I love how the older generation of fans won't let a new generation of fans make up their own opinion, BTW I am 32. If you really hate the prequels and all the changes so much, I suggest you watch something other than Star Wars.

Well said. I was born a few months after "Empire" came out myself, and I didn't see any of the films until I was probably 7 or so. I grew up watching the OT on VHS, and I don't really mind any of the changes. I also enjoy the prequels, and its probably because I don't idolize or deify any part of the saga. In the end, its a wonderful adventure series, and I enjoy almost every bit of it. There's some minor things I'd change, but I also know it's not my call.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by ahossein79

Whatever man your post is just off topic and baiting, how about instead of being a annoying overbearing parent that your kids end up hating, how about letting them make up their own minds on how they feel about the Star Wars films. I love how the older generation of fans won't let a new generation of fans make up their own opinion, BTW I am 32. If you really hate the prequels and all the changes so much I suggest you watch something other than Star Wars.............

Really? Telling someone else how to raise their kids? Demeaning someones parenting skills because of an opinion of a scene on a movie? You make me sick!!!

EDIT- "Bashing" the PT is not aloud, but personally bashing parents is? Mods? Did you just miss this one?

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Is that really the point though? I couldn't care less if sticking Hayden Christensen in there wrapped up a story plot hole, or any other story related issue. The problem for me is that it makes no historical sense; we have here an actor appearing in a 1983 film even though he was only 2 years old at the time. It's dumb and offensive and makes no sense whatsoever to the few of us who still wish to pretend the prequels don't exist. What the hell am I supposed to tell my kids when they're ready to watch Star Wars and they see Hayden and ask who he is? I'll have to reveal to them the existence of the prequel trilogy, which of course they'll want to watch, and forever taint their Star Wars experience.

Depending on the age of your kids (if they are young) they will most likely prefer the PT. Seems like young girls like Jar Jar, and Padme has all those outfits.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Is that really the point though? I couldn't care less if sticking Hayden Christensen in there wrapped up a story plot hole, or any other story related issue. The problem for me is that it makes no historical sense; we have here an actor appearing in a 1983 film even though he was only 2 years old at the time. It's dumb and offensive and makes no sense whatsoever to the few of us who still wish to pretend the prequels don't exist. What the hell am I supposed to tell my kids when they're ready to watch Star Wars and they see Hayden and ask who he is? I'll have to reveal to them the existence of the prequel trilogy, which of course they'll want to watch, and forever taint their Star Wars experience.

I didnt want to answer these off-topic posts anymore, but I have to say that this is the saddest post I ever read... on so many levels. Just sad!

[miniroll32]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

The beautiful thing is that children can start with Episode 1 at an early age and than grow into the more complex Episodes as they get older.

lol.

I think Episode 1 is complex (and boring) enough for children - at least judging by its opening crawl.

"Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute."

Oh...

[phatrat1982]

ok I will try to clarify what I was saying because things got out of hand.


On the part about the original being identified as a classic masterpeice of film history I was agreeing with Cowboy that it is true, that film fans in general even people who do not like the rest of the saga, really enjoy the first two films, I was not trying to say that they are better than the new ones or saying anything negative about the PT, comeone guys you should all know by now I LOVE the prequels so anyone who thought I was bashing them really has super short term memory or selective memory or just wanted to start a fight in the first place.


As for the part about the cartoon, I NEVER meant to say it is childish I was pointing out that, just because they do something in the cartoon is not a reason NOT to do that in the films, it started with the topic of seeing some deleted scenes of Padme and someome replied why there is enough Padme in the cartoon. I felt that was a lame response on it's own but the poster went further and said if you don't like the show your not a true fan. That was what bothered me.



My comparing the novels to the cartoon was valid in that just because something is done elsewhere does not mean it can't be done in the films. I mentioned the X-Wing books because I was saying if you need some X-Wing battles you got the books you also got the game they were based on, by the logic the poster used you can deleted the end battle of A New Hope because you see plenty of X-Wing stuff elsewhere. I was not saying the books are more cannon or more adult, that line was sarcasm, I EVEN stated in my post it was sarcasm, but that got ignored by people.


Now I never ever said I do not watch the clone wars nor did I ever say I never will my point was using something that happens in the clone wars as an excuse to not have something in the film is not a strong argument and I got hung up on the insults in his post rather than addressing the errors that was my mistake.



As for the topic of the original being a masterpeice and film fans all over the world even those who do not like sci fi and do not like the prequels, how can anyone argue with that? I was not saying one is better than the other but the overwhelming evidince is as a film on it;s own Star Wars is a masterpeice appreciated nearly universally, as a Star Wars fan how could that be considered offensive? How can any Star Wars fan disagree with that saying Star Wars is one of the greatest films of all time? That was what I was saying and was showing how even people who have no interest in the rest of the saga and no interest in sci fi at all still love Star Wars, I thought that was a universally accepted it of common knowledge considering all the papers, books, articles, websites, documentaries, film classes, etc on that topic. So I was NOT saying the other movies are bad or that any one movie is more important then the rest but it is hard to argue that the original movie has universal appeal to film fans in general.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by MCT

pffft. "Pacing"....dude, there's an extra Jawa at the famed Mos Eisley spaceport!!

That's not what i was talking about. The whole redundant scene with Jabba, with redundant information. The blatant cut to Vader's Shuttle arriving at the Star Destroyer. The pointless scene of Luke bumping into Biggs.

And really? ANH is all that much better because you see Boba Fett look at the audience? Sheesh! Boba Fett isn't a badass as many fans suggest. He stands around around posing like a cardboard cutout. Then, in the last movie, he gets killed...by accident! It was the fans that glorified him by keeping him alive in the glorified fan fiction (the expanded universe).

And what about all the stupid moments like Han steeping on Jabba's tail, the Jawa falling off his creature, the two stupid droids, and the dumb as rocks Jedi Rocks musical number. Those don't the movie any better, nor do they improve them. They just make them even more juvenile and if you want to say that ANH is a kids movie, need I remind you that the best childrens films don't dumb down the movie for an audience with stupid nickeloadian fart jokes. Those scenes suck!

You can't tell me grown adults actually like that kind of humor?

[The Don]

Originally Posted by PlayLoud

Well, I thought they should have taken on Vader first. Get him out of the way. Then they could focus on the Emperor.

I figure you take down the brains of the operation and then deal with Vader....plus the Emperor was much closer...

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

OK, I'm only going to detail this once, so all the purists better pay attention. Here's what you'd essentially get with an "unaltered original trilogy" release...

1) Excessive dirt, specks, noise, and inconsistent lighting and/or color in every frame
2) Non-anamorphic letterbox transfers
3) No "Episode IV" on the 1977 crawl
4) Visual boxes and matte lines around almost all the ships and creatures
5) Inconsistent lightsaber effects in all 3 films
6) Visual mistakes left intact (prop sticks, wires, obvious blue-screens, etc.)
7) Older soundtracks, full of pops, hisses, and other distortions
8) An actress with superimposed chimp eyes for the Emperor, voiced by Clive Revill
9) Claustrophobic versions of places like Cloud City or Mos Eisley
10) Both Death Stars exploding like someone put a firecracker in a tennis ball

I could keep going on, but I'm sure you get the point by now. I strongly suspect most people don't really want the films in an "unaltered" state. They want their versions, and everyone has an opinion.

Yes.

Because CLEARLY that's what we always get with older releases.

If Lucasfilm put as much attention into making these releases as good as new, we wouldn't be having this issue.

Did we run into problems with The Godfather? Casablanca? Apocalypse Now? The Wizard of Oz? Nope. Flawless releases.

Clearly you think that Star Wars doesn't deserve the same attention...or that we'll get something sub-par from it.

Originally Posted by Beast

Moviefan2k4... just don't rise to it. The Mods are on a VERY short fuse right now.

Really looking forward to seeing those Deleted Scenes they showcased in Empire Magazine.

I have wanted to see that Hoth/Wampa scene ever since the first ESB trailer with footage from the film showing C-3PO ripping that sign off the door to where they have the Wampas trapped. Never thought they would ever release that stuff.

The deleted scenes are the best (and really ONLY) reason to buy the boxed set, for purists like myself. I can't WAIT to see them.

[Blu-man08]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

OK, I'm only going to detail this once, so all the purists better pay attention. Here's what you'd essentially get with an "unaltered original trilogy" release...

1) Excessive dirt, specks, noise, and inconsistent lighting and/or color in every frame
2) Non-anamorphic letterbox transfers
3) No "Episode IV" on the 1977 crawl
4) Visual boxes and matte lines around almost all the ships and creatures
5) Inconsistent lightsaber effects in all 3 films
6) Visual mistakes left intact (prop sticks, wires, obvious blue-screens, etc.)
7) Older soundtracks, full of pops, hisses, and other distortions
8) An actress with superimposed chimp eyes for the Emperor, voiced by Clive Revill
9) Claustrophobic versions of places like Cloud City or Mos Eisley
10) Both Death Stars exploding like someone put a firecracker in a tennis ball

I could keep going on, but I'm sure you get the point by now. I strongly suspect most people don't really want the films in an "unaltered" state. They want their versions, and everyone has an opinion.

With the exception of the non-anamorphic transfers, I'd say, yeah, that list pretty well covers what I want. Thanx for going to the trouble to detail it all out...

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

OK, I'm only going to detail this once, so all the purists better pay attention. Here's what you'd essentially get with an "unaltered original trilogy" release...

1) Excessive dirt, specks, noise, and inconsistent lighting and/or color in every frame
2) Non-anamorphic letterbox transfers
3) No "Episode IV" on the 1977 crawl
4) Visual boxes and matte lines around almost all the ships and creatures
5) Inconsistent lightsaber effects in all 3 films
6) Visual mistakes left intact (prop sticks, wires, obvious blue-screens, etc.)
7) Older soundtracks, full of pops, hisses, and other distortions
8) An actress with superimposed chimp eyes for the Emperor, voiced by Clive Revill
9) Claustrophobic versions of places like Cloud City or Mos Eisley
10) Both Death Stars exploding like someone put a firecracker in a tennis ball

I could keep going on, but I'm sure you get the point by now. I strongly suspect most people don't really want the films in an "unaltered" state. They want their versions, and everyone has an opinion.

When do you think these were made? 1927???

Star Wars won Oscars for both sound and visual effects. There's no reason a BD release of the theatrical editions couldn't look and sound as spectacular as other releases from that era and earlier.

And btw, the Episode IV crawl? Not really a deal-breaker.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Blu-man08

With the exception of the non-anamorphic transfers, I'd say, yeah, that list pretty well covers what I want. Thanx for going to the trouble to detail it all out...

Blu-man! Don't you remember those older soundtracks on the UNCOMPRESSED laserdisc audio? So much hiss and pops.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Beast

Moviefan2k4... just don't rise to it. The Mods are on a VERY short fuse right now.

Like I said, that list was strictly a "one-off" deal. I've said my piece with it, and I'm leaving it at that.