Someone REALLY needs to do something about Toshiba

[Loki]

I don't think that the two remaining studios (I guess 3 'technically') will hold out for too long when sales of next gen media begin to take off on Blu-Ray.

To me.. holding out and prolong this format war is preventing the real money to be made..

The longer they hold out.. the sooner the well runs dry as other products surface to serve the demand. HD-DVD is a dying format.. everyone knows it.. I think it is now just a matter of pride and contracts...

Personally I am hoping the Floppy Disc makes a big comeback... Nobody would even see it coming... who wouldn't want to own a couple thousand Floppies for a nice 240x160 sized video of Transformers... HELLZ YEAH.

[mystiksuicide]

That's ok it gives more time to bask in they're misery. Bring it on Toshiba we was getting bored in the forum.

[nails]

FIRE SALE!

I only feel sorry for consumers that don't know any better.

[Kayne314]

I hate to say this, but I could use another upconverter for the bedroom.

If it's cheap enough... I just might.

BD movies only from now on though. Not gonna support Universal or Paramount until they smarten up.

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by Kayne314

I hate to say this, but I could use another upconverter for the bedroom.

If it's cheap enough... I just might.

BD movies only from now on though. Not gonna support Universal or Paramount until they smarten up.

You can buy better upconverters cheaper.
That is a pretty lame excuse to buy an hd player.
The Warner switch was great for press, but until titles hit the stores that will not be on hd it does not really hit home.
I am no longer really buying into the NDA thing concerning Universal or Paramount because if they were already in a position where they needed to set up ndas there would be no way that Toshiba would be ballsy enough to do this,

[Blu4You24]

just a quick question...if xbox had included an hd dvd in their system, do you think they still would have had that year head start?!?

[Tanman19az]

well, if they want a round 2, then let's knock them out for good!
Buy more blu-ray my friends!

[blindcat87]

At this point, even if the war ends by the end of the month, it will be a long time before I ever consider another Toshiba product. This is coming from someone who's first three DVD players were Toshiba and who currently uses a Tosh portable DVD player. I have absolutely no desire to support a company who values saving face over the good of the entire market. The sheer level of self delusion going on here just boggles the mind. The rhetoric has moved from spin and marketing blather to outright flat lies to justify a format that has been rejected by a vast portion of the global market and has been abandoned by almost all of their supporters.

I hope the BDA sees the pure psychotic nature of this move and realizes that this is the time for the take no prisoners, have no mercy phase. The way I see this, Toshiba just burned all of the bridges and I hope that Universal and Paramount are made fully aware of the potential fallout of strapping in for this kamikaze run.

I have lost absolutely no confidence in the eventual outcome here, but the sheer self centered, self delusional arrogance of this just really galls me. Absolutely pathetic.

BTW, anyone who needs a good upconvertor, I highly reccomend Oppo players. They are great upconvertors, support SACD and DVD-A and do not support Toshiba's screw the consumer tactics. I own a Oppo 970, 980 and am planning on picking up the 983 when it finally arrives and will gladly pay the higher cost of that unit rather than feed the idiocy displayed by Toshiba.

Chris

[jdc115]

Originally Posted by Blu4You24

just a quick question...if xbox had included an hd dvd in their system, do you think they still would have had that year head start?!?

Very unlikely, but Microsoft didn't really have much to gain to include one in their player. I think they just were looking to try to capture the largest percentage of the gaming market and the HD-dvd add-on is just an after thought. Maybe just a way for them to show support and help Toshiba but not really important to them.

As far as what Toshiba is thinking, I am guessing it is a hail mary pass to try to just to survive. Perhaps Universal or Paramount told Toshiba that they would delay any decisions for 1 or 2 weeks until Toshiba could present their marketing response and business strategy. After all, they would be long term partners and wouldn't and would give them the courtesy to put something together while developing their future plans.

[OokieSpookie]

The most irritating part is that reds who had slinked off under a rock somewhere are now all of the sudden coming back out and using this as some kind of inbred rallying cry insisting that people said that hd was dead at last years CES.
We NEED one more studio to come across so that we can bury this crap behind us.
As long as there is even one hd on the shelf it is still causing the consumer confusion that we thought was on the way out.

[JohnGalt]

Originally Posted by Loki

To me.. holding out and prolong this format war is preventing the real money to be made.

To a point but there's definitely a window in which competition between various formats is going to happen. There was at least one article published recently stating that DVD sales weren't down as much as projected in '07 so perhaps Paramount and Universal are calculating that the window of competition here is somewhat longer than they believed recently.