LOR to be coming out soon on HD DVD, or is it for BD? - Blu-ray Forum

theknub · 02-11-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhon

i saw the trilogy set on HD dvd on amazon.com..

http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Tri...644800-3526216

no release date announced by anyone but there is something up on amazon?

... makes sense... until something is announced, i have trouble believing it.

Knight-Errant · 02-11-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by theknub

no release date announced by anyone but there is something up on amazon?

... makes sense... until something is announced, i have trouble believing it.

Best way to be.

I mean we know it'll happen but when is another question.

theknub · 02-11-2007, 11:21 PM

^^exactly

of course, the last time HD-DVD announced anything, they had to offer a public apology and a retraction

Knight-Errant · 02-11-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by theknub

^^exactly

of course, the last time HD-DVD announced anything, they had to offer a public apology and a retraction

Yeah....*chuckles*

minchtree · 02-11-2007, 11:25 PM

Since Universal released LOTR, and Universal is behind HD-DVD it will probably come out on HD-DVD first. I'm in the Blu-Ray camp, and a big LOTR fan, so i'm hoping for both formats.

theknub · 02-11-2007, 11:27 PM

actually, it is new line which is a subsidiary of warner. thus, worst case is a dual format release (just hopefully not THD)

Knight-Errant · 02-11-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by minchtree

Since Universal released LOTR

False. LOTR was released by New Line Cinema, a Time Warner Company.

Blubaru · 02-11-2007, 11:58 PM

If LOTR is coming out on both someone should email Amazon and tell them to put the Blu-ray version up for presale also.

Fr0stiE · 02-12-2007, 12:27 AM

I really don't understand how you can flame the HD-DVD format, or Toshiba as a signature in a message having absolutely nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with a release date for LoTR. From what I've gathered online, LoTR will be released on the new disk type dialed as the Total-HD disk (a format playable on both Blu-ray & HD-Dvd players.) If Amazon is doing pre-sales on this movie, it's probably a mistake on Amazon's part (like so many other games/movies beforehand.) [The reason I only pre-order things from retailers that have a physical storefront.]

Note: Have you attempted to ask Amazon about the sales post yourself, or do you rely on others to do these things for you (like Sony

Maximus · 02-12-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fr0stiE

I really don't understand how you can flame the HD-DVD format, or Toshiba as a signature in a message having absolutely nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with a release date for LoTR. From what I've gathered online, LoTR will be released on the new disk type dialed as the Total-HD disk (a format playable on both Blu-ray & HD-Dvd players.) If Amazon is doing pre-sales on this movie, it's probably a mistake on Amazon's part (like so many other games/movies beforehand.) [The reason I only pre-order things from retailers that have a physical storefront.]

Note: Have you attempted to ask Amazon about the sales post yourself, or do you rely on others to do these things for you (like Sony

Impressive first post!

Fr0stiE · 02-12-2007, 12:42 AM

Yes it was my first post... ty for the nice response. BTW - I own PS3 and HD-Dvd player (X-Box 360) so I really have no preference for the hd players or formats really. In my personal opinion... neither format will win in the end, since everyone is making dual-hd players (LG has a nice one - $1,199 too much for me) This new disc format (True-HD) sounds consumer/studio friendly in that it doesn't favor either player. Hopefully, the cost of this disk sits with HD-Dvd pricing or lower, since most people (not HD enthusiasts) can hardly justify the $5 average increase (HD-Dvd) let alone the $10 to $15 increase (Blu-Ray) per disk. [And these disks aren't even dual-format i.e. 480p on one side for standard players & HD on the reverse...]

Blubaru · 02-12-2007, 01:39 AM

I have no interest in LOTR. I was only suggesting the idea.

Something tells me that this is a little more than a glitch on Amazons part. They will probably play it off as a mistake like the way Toshiba did with Jaws and Jurassic Park.

Amazon is still HD-DVD biased so it wouldn’t surprise me if these titles were posted up in an attempt to generate some needed hype for HD-DVD.

Deciazulado · 02-12-2007, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by theknub

no release date announced by anyone but there is something up on amazon?

... makes sense... until something is announced, i have trouble believing it.

That place holder has been there for eons, probably since Frodo's people started being taller

It's supposed to be there to gather people's demand for a product or something. From time to time someone who hadn't seen it before finds it and and gets (understandably) excited. (I think the last time before this one I saw it mentioned was last year on another forum)

What really worries me at night is how are they gonna compress LOR and will it look as good as the Aragorn piccie or much worse.

theknub · 02-12-2007, 03:32 AM

it better look as good or better than your aragorn pic

Fr0stiE · 02-12-2007, 04:06 AM

theknub only one company is making a dual hd player. i wouldn't call it a nice player though especially since it is made by lg. even then, the player is hd-dvd crippled. so, it is not even a fully functional player.

Actually, LG isn't the only company planning on releasing the dual format player. Though it may be the first company to announce a functioning prototype. (Aside from RICOH media who was the first to make an optic laser with the ability to read both formats...) I really feel that a dual player is a great way for hardware manufacturers to earn money, and will more likely than not yield the most sales. When you consider the Sony BD is at $1000 and a dual format player is only $200 more, I would think that the versatility of the LG player would be more appealing to the average consumer. As only people with money to burn will purchase an individual player for each format. <--- My opinion.

As for the True-HD dvd format... I honestly didn't know anything about that until I responded to this post, which just goes to show how much time Blubaru spent checking on the release format New Line is planning on using for this series in particular. This doesn't mean that the media format will ever come about, I just think that it's a good idea. As for the cost of the media, as long as a R&D team can produce a media type playable on both players... Consumers will win overall, in that it must be cheaper to produce a movie on one format than it would be to make one for each individual standard. If you think about it... a studio using this media type won't have to worry about making more of one format than the other (in which case they would save money) instead they would be able to produce a single [multi player] version. (Which couldn't cost more than a blu-ray no matter how you cut it.)

I don't know how this would effect the quality of the data stored on disc, but that's for the R&D teams to figure out not me.

Shadowself · 02-12-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr0stiE

If you think about it... a studio using this media type won't have to worry about making more of one format than the other (in which case they would save money) instead they would be able to produce a single [multi player] version. (Which couldn't cost more than a blu-ray no matter how you cut it.)

I don't know how this would effect the quality of the data stored on disc, but that's for the R&D teams to figure out not me.

This is precisely why I don't believe I'd ever buy a THD disk.

With regard to the LOTR ROTK... if you do some very, very simple arithmetic (multiply two numbers then divide that one into a third, done) it turns out that even if you assume there is absolutely no overhead or disk space associated with necessities like menus, etc. then to fit this film on a 30 GB disk you have to compress the film to an absolute maximum of 16 Mbps for the TOTAL stream -- video and sound. If you look at Benes' great thread (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=3338) you'll notice that no movie he's listed so far has a 16 Mbps (or less) total stream. Those that come even close don't have the best sound available. Thus I'd expect both crap video and crap sound if the LOTR ROTK has to be compressed to fit into 30 GB so the same stream can fit on both a HD DVD side (or disk) and a Blu-ray side (or disk).

As for putting this on a two disk set... WHY? With Blu-ray you don't have to. The movie was not thought put forth by the director with an intermission (unlike the epics of my mispent youth). Why should I be forced to have an "intermission" when I have to change disks?

There's a reason Blu-ray has an extra 20 GB. They can use it to give great video and great sound when they need to.

02-11-2007, 11:25 PM	#5
minchtree Junior Member Member since:Feb 2007	No Lotr On Bd??? Since Universal released LOTR, and Universal is behind HD-DVD it will probably come out on HD-DVD first. I'm in the Blu-Ray camp, and a big LOTR fan, so i'm hoping for both formats.

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02-11-2007, 11:21 PM	#3
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	^^exactly of course, the last time HD-DVD announced anything, they had to offer a public apology and a retraction

02-11-2007, 11:27 PM	#6
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	actually, it is new line which is a subsidiary of warner. thus, worst case is a dual format release (just hopefully not THD)

02-11-2007, 11:58 PM	#8
Blubaru Expert Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Tonight! you!	If LOTR is coming out on both someone should email Amazon and tell them to put the Blu-ray version up for presale also.

02-12-2007, 12:27 AM	#9
Fr0stiE Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Southern California	I really don't understand how you can flame the HD-DVD format, or Toshiba as a signature in a message having absolutely nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with a release date for LoTR. From what I've gathered online, LoTR will be released on the new disk type dialed as the Total-HD disk (a format playable on both Blu-ray & HD-Dvd players.) If Amazon is doing pre-sales on this movie, it's probably a mistake on Amazon's part (like so many other games/movies beforehand.) [The reason I only pre-order things from retailers that have a physical storefront.] Note: Have you attempted to ask Amazon about the sales post yourself, or do you rely on others to do these things for you (like Sony

02-12-2007, 12:42 AM	#11
Fr0stiE Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Southern California	Yes it was my first post... ty for the nice response. BTW - I own PS3 and HD-Dvd player (X-Box 360) so I really have no preference for the hd players or formats really. In my personal opinion... neither format will win in the end, since everyone is making dual-hd players (LG has a nice one - $1,199 too much for me) This new disc format (True-HD) sounds consumer/studio friendly in that it doesn't favor either player. Hopefully, the cost of this disk sits with HD-Dvd pricing or lower, since most people (not HD enthusiasts) can hardly justify the $5 average increase (HD-Dvd) let alone the $10 to $15 increase (Blu-Ray) per disk. [And these disks aren't even dual-format i.e. 480p on one side for standard players & HD on the reverse...]

02-12-2007, 01:39 AM	#12
Blubaru Expert Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Tonight! you!	I have no interest in LOTR. I was only suggesting the idea. Something tells me that this is a little more than a glitch on Amazons part. They will probably play it off as a mistake like the way Toshiba did with Jaws and Jurassic Park. Amazon is still HD-DVD biased so it wouldn’t surprise me if these titles were posted up in an attempt to generate some needed hype for HD-DVD.

02-12-2007, 03:32 AM	#14
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	it better look as good or better than your aragorn pic

02-12-2007, 04:06 AM	#15
Fr0stiE Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Southern California	theknub only one company is making a dual hd player. i wouldn't call it a nice player though especially since it is made by lg. even then, the player is hd-dvd crippled. so, it is not even a fully functional player. Actually, LG isn't the only company planning on releasing the dual format player. Though it may be the first company to announce a functioning prototype. (Aside from RICOH media who was the first to make an optic laser with the ability to read both formats...) I really feel that a dual player is a great way for hardware manufacturers to earn money, and will more likely than not yield the most sales. When you consider the Sony BD is at $1000 and a dual format player is only $200 more, I would think that the versatility of the LG player would be more appealing to the average consumer. As only people with money to burn will purchase an individual player for each format. <--- My opinion. As for the True-HD dvd format... I honestly didn't know anything about that until I responded to this post, which just goes to show how much time Blubaru spent checking on the release format New Line is planning on using for this series in particular. This doesn't mean that the media format will ever come about, I just think that it's a good idea. As for the cost of the media, as long as a R&D team can produce a media type playable on both players... Consumers will win overall, in that it must be cheaper to produce a movie on one format than it would be to make one for each individual standard. If you think about it... a studio using this media type won't have to worry about making more of one format than the other (in which case they would save money) instead they would be able to produce a single [multi player] version. (Which couldn't cost more than a blu-ray no matter how you cut it.) I don't know how this would effect the quality of the data stored on disc, but that's for the R&D teams to figure out not me.

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