Star Trek: The Next Generation Blu-ray - Sampler Review

[Salvador Nogueira]

Originally Posted by Rik1138

That's correct... Only one disc was made with all of the languages listed, and it's region free.

Everyone gets the same disc.

Is that inside info?

[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by Salvador Nogueira

Is that inside info?

It's accurate info...

[eastx]

Originally Posted by whbinder

Of course, I agree. Also, conversely if ILM did model work today in 2011 it would be better in every way to any effects done in 1987, but I don't think anyone was slamming this person's work - it's certainly very good animated work. I think they were simply responding to the OP's hyperbolic claim that this person's work was superior.

What you said.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Now if ILM was to go back and redo those shots themselves with CG, you'd better believe it would be better in every way.

I agree. Well done CG spaceships are completely convincing and often impressive in their level of detail. Just look at the close pass of the Kelvin in the opening of Trek '09. You can actually see into every window!

That's one area where computer FX dominates over the tricks of old. It's when living things are presented that it gets sketchy.

I for one am glad though that the model shots are being recomposited for TNG; especially all the main vessels of the show like Fed, Klingon, and Romulan ships. I wouldn't mind if some of the crappier looking vessels got CG'd up--mainly some of the one-shot alien races that appeared for a single episode in ships made out of shampoo bottles or redressed freighters that we saw a million times. But as I stated in earlier posts, than can be a slippery slope.

I also wouldn't mind if they redid Big E in the McKinley station claw-dock in "All Good Things." That CG is pretty primitive, and actually spoils some of the of the emotion Stewart was trying to project into that scene when Picard sees his new command for the first time.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Also agreed. Nice, but still too plasticy.

Looks like a really cool videogame.

[neoz]

Originally Posted by Caesar Will Rise

Funny how the least little thing amuses me. That must be a cap from The Inner Light. Or am I wrong. I've never really watched the series, but I love the movies of the Next Generation. I really want the sampler to see The Inner Light as I've both read and heard that it was awesome.

Better get up on it then your missing out.

And it is an awesome episode one of my favorites along with Darmok.

[segagamer12]

Will Netflix be offering this in HD before the Blu Ray or do they already offer it in HD? I seen it up but haven't watched yet because I am still in the middle of Buffy and I need to finish that before diving back into Star Trek.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

Will Netflix be offering this in HD before the Blu Ray or do they already offer it in HD? I seen it up but haven't watched yet because I am still in the middle of Buffy and I need to finish that before diving back into Star Trek.

The original versions are already in HD streaming...BBC 2 also does airings daily.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

Well, I challenge you to check out the CG work from YouTube user: mylex67
and tell me model works is better than CG.

Here's all his "Money" clips:

Full ST:TMP spacedock arrival and departure of NCC-1701

ST:II Spacedock departure

Slightly alternate version of the Mutara Nebula Battle

ST:III arrival at "Mushroom" space station

Enterprise departing Earth alternate take

CGI looks too sterile. Even in these examples, CGI fails to look organic. It fails to convince that it was created by anything or anyone other than a computer. A lot of times, CGI is made to look perfect and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Even when nice textures are applied to make something look more dirty or realistic, it ends up still looking like "trying too hard for perfection".

[WJWS Channel 13:Amity]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You're comparing amateur work to full studio multi-million budget state of the art (at the time) modelwork.

Now if ILM was to go back and redo those shots themselves with CG, you'd better believe it would be better in every way.

But The person who posted the links to those videos, challenged people in his post to watch and not find this "amateur work"(as you put it) better than the original model work done for the movie.

[WJWS Channel 13:Amity]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

The original versions are already in HD streaming...BBC 2 also does airings daily.

They arent streaming in HD on netflix yet, only SD, or do you mean TOS.

[Maggot]

Originally Posted by backgroundactorman

But The person who posted the links to those videos, challenged people in his post to watch and not find this "amateur work"(as you put it) better than the original model work done for the movie.

That's part of the problem with CGI. Someone can make it look better than the original model, but to the human eye, it stands out as issue. Like the brain says, "there's something about this that just doesn't fit". You could say life is analog. Computers are digital, and although great strides are continually being made, a computer, like digital likes and wants 1's or 0's. On or off. Anything is between, that warm fuzzy logic that our brains can accept, is like bad input to a computer. It's like comparing a sine wave to a square wave. Computers/digital are like a square wave with those hard angles. Something, whatever you want to call it, gets lost. be it that warm and fuzzy data, whatever. I think when CGI animators attempt to create something realistic and believable, there still seems to be an inherant issue of understanding what looks and feels organic. There's still some warm and fuzzy component that's missing.

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I also wouldn't mind if they redid Big E in the McKinley station claw-dock in "All Good Things." That CG is pretty primitive, and actually spoils some of the of the emotion Stewart was trying to project into that scene when Picard sees his new command for the first time.

Actually, that's a miniature. It was designed by Rick Sternbach and the studio model was built by Greg Jein. The VFX element seen out the window in "All Good Things..." is a direct re-use of the opening shot of "Family", just in reverse.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/thum...bum=176&page=8
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=77

[Monty Cora]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I also wouldn't mind if they redid Big E in the McKinley station claw-dock in "All Good Things." That CG is pretty primitive, and actually spoils some of the of the emotion Stewart was trying to project into that scene when Picard sees his new command for the first time.

...Except that McKinley Station is a model, not CG. (More specifically, it was always a model in TNG. It did make a CG appearance on Voyager.)

The footage of it in "All Good Things" was actually shot for "Family".

Edit: Shoot, Maxwell beat me to it.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Maggot

That's part of the problem with CGI. Someone can make it look better than the original model, but to the human eye, it stands out as issue. Like the brain says, "there's something about this that just doesn't fit".

Perhaps with CG creatures, but not objects.

You have no idea how many CG objects are routinely placed in the most mundane films and TV shows.

It's when you know it's CG you think "something's not right" and are looking for flaws. It's a mindset, a placebo. You want to believe something's inferior so your mind makes it so (as Picard would say).

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

Actually, that's a miniature. It was designed by Rick Sternbach and the studio model was built by Greg Jein. The VFX element seen out the window in "All Good Things..." is a direct re-use of the opening shot of "Family", just in reverse.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/thum...bum=176&page=8
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=77

It's also slowed down to make the shot last longer. Probably contributes to the poor look of the shot. When they redo it, hopefully they will make an "honest" length shot to fit the scene.

On the topic of McKinley station, I strongly dislike that concept, basically a giant space claw. I really wish they had done the Enterprise-D's refit in Starfleet Spacedock and reused the model made for ST III. Yeah, it's a giant mushroom but it looks cool and is one of my all-time favorite space stations.

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's also slowed down to make the shot last longer. Probably contributes to the poor look of the shot. When they redo it, hopefully they will make an "honest" length shot to fit the scene.

Well, the ARRI Relativity can not only convert any frame rate (e.g. 30p to 24p), but it can also retime shots (±10%). I'm sure CBS Digital has access to it or to something similar like Cinnafilm Dark Energy software, which is actually the same thing. Cinnafilm developed it with Quantel. And (I'm sure you're aware) the TNG VFX folks back in the day used the Quantel Harry to do some of their stuff. I'm sure Dan Curry, et al. are using the best tools they can to get this done right.

Let's hope.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You're comparing amateur work to full studio multi-million budget state of the art (at the time) modelwork.

Now if ILM was to go back and redo those shots themselves with CG, you'd better believe it would be better in every way.

That's what the poster asked everyone to do. And per those videos, model work looks better.

[Toxa]

here some good CGI :

"Star Trek: The Beginning" Teaser Trailer - By Daniel Broadway - YouTube

and it's more faithfull to the franchise than the last movie

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Toxa

and it's more faithfull to the franchise than the last movie

Why is it so hard for people do deal with change?

It's probably a good thing we don't live any longer than we do.