Star Trek: The Next Generation Blu-ray - Sampler Review

[segagamer12]

so has it been confirmed if they are doing this 4x3 or 16x9?

[Holmes108]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Perhaps with CG creatures, but not objects.

You have no idea how many CG objects are routinely placed in the most mundane films and TV shows.

It's when you know it's CG you think "something's not right" and are looking for flaws. It's a mindset, a placebo. You want to believe something's inferior so your mind makes it so (as Picard would say).

I agree with this 100%. I think CG of course CAN look too plastic-ish and a little off. Depending on budget, skill, etc..... but not necessarily all the time. I think they are absolutely capable of making objects look 100% authentic. I also agree that knowing about it can taint it for some people, as a placebo of sorts.

Originally Posted by segagamer12

so has it been confirmed if they are doing this 4x3 or 16x9?

Mike Okuda had confirmed it in his blog (or possibly in the comment section of his blog, I don't recall). I believe (last I heard) that this is the most official thing that has been specified.



BTW, I don't think anyone has linked this yet. A very good comparison vidoe

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/05/st...clusive-video/

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by Holmes108

I agree with this 100%. I think CG of course CAN look too plastic-ish and a little off. Depending on budget, skill, etc..... but not necessarily all the time. I think they are absolutely capable of making objects look 100% authentic. I also agree that knowing about it can taint it for some people, as a placebo of sorts.



Mike Okuda had confirmed it in his blog (or possibly in the comment section of his blog, I don't recall). I believe (last I heard) that this is the most official thing that has been specified.



BTW, I don't think anyone has linked this yet. A very good comparison vidoe

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/05/st...clusive-video/

ok but you didn't answer the question.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Loved the new preview. My favorite part is not the increased clarity or detail--in fact, those might actually hurt a lot of the effects (the Bandi city and the terrain around it look really bad in HD--just obviously miniatures), but the COLOR. The "maroon" of the command uniforms is actually quite a vivid red.

Quite looking forward to these now.

It's gonna be like watching every season for the first time. Even the poorer episodes will be worth the time, just to see certain scenes/props/FX/costumes in much better detail and color.

And I can't wait to see more of the "FX betrayals" --as you mentioned how the Bandi city obviously looks fake once the haze is cleared and the details come out. I wonder how many props and miniatures are really going to show their flaws.

I also wonder how much easier it is going to be to spot the Easter eggs now, such as the duck on the engineering room cutaway, or the various ship placards that had jokes or nonsense written on them.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Holmes108

I agree with this 100%. I think CG of course CAN look too plastic-ish and a little off. Depending on budget, skill, etc..... but not necessarily all the time. I think they are absolutely capable of making objects look 100% authentic. I also agree that knowing about it can taint it for some people, as a placebo of sorts.

I personally think the only thing that can look 100% authentic is something that IS 100% authentic... meaning real (person, model, whatever). Maybe they can get there 95% or so, but not 100. There's always something going to be a little off.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

ok but you didn't answer the question.

Let me google that for you... http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=mike okuda ...n aspect ratio

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by retablo

I personally think the only thing that can look 100% authentic is something that IS 100% authentic... meaning real (person, model, whatever). Maybe they can get there 95% or so, but not 100. There's always something going to be a little off.

Yes, but a miniature model is not 100% authentic either. There's always something that's always going to be a little off.

However great model making and the associated photography is authentic looking and great CGI is authentic looking. And bad model making and bad CGI are going to look terrible.

So it's not the method that's used to get there - it's the result.

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

ok but you didn't answer the question.

http://web.me.com/michaelokuda/micha...EXT_LEVEL.html

archer9234

I'm amazed that CBS and you guys are doing this incredible feat. I have a few questions. Will the show be in its original aspect ratio? No unmatting/cropping the top and bottom. And since you guys have access to all the film. Will you finally include deleted footage and or bloopers?
Monday, November 21, 2011 - 11:21 AM
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MIKE

ARCHER9234: Star Trek: TNG on Blu-ray will be in the original 4:3 aspect ratio, thereby preserving the entire original image area, and the compositions of the original directors and cinematographers. I don't think CBS has made any announcement about supplemental material yet.
Monday, November 21, 2011 - 12:04 PM

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

It's gonna be like watching every season for the first time. Even the poorer episodes will be worth the time, just to see certain scenes/props/FX/costumes in much better detail and color.

Not for me.

Several times a week I watch a batch of TNG episodes. Say, 2 or 3 in a row, that my TiVo has picked up. So I watch about 5-7 episodes a week already.

I have been to Star Trek conventions. I will probably go to another one in the next year. I own many TNG toys - including the full bridge playset, dozens of figures, ships, etc. I play Star Trek Online regularly (at least once per day).

And I'm totally uninterested in this release without at least 16x9.

I think some truly forget how bad some (a lot) of episodes in the first three seasons are. Like, truly bad Trek. Some of the worst episodic Trek ever, in fact. The show had it's moments, and a few stand-outs, but by and large, nothing got good until significantly into Season 3 when they figured out what they were doing (and Roddenberry was no longer there to pretend that even from the 60's Trek was not militarized).

So, seeing the costumes and bad monster make-up even crisper does nothing for me. I was more psyched than anyone about this, because we've seen how good 16x9 conversions have gone before with TV shows. If this had truly been a new experience, I would have been all over it. But if they do not even have a true 16x9 option (zooming and losing resolution, without the extra information is not a substitute that will get me to purchase this), I can't see any reason I'd ever sit and watch these when I can get the episodes on my TiVo that look "good enough" (as during my Trek marathons I'm usually on my laptop or something anyway, and crisper costumes and the bad acting of guest stars in higher resolution won't really be noticed by me).

They have also severely limited the commercial potential by not at least offering a 16x9 option on the discs. It simply will not sell at mass retail now. To the average consumer, HD and 16x9 are synonymous. Now, you and I know the difference - but they don't. If Wal-mart even carries these, I can see customers returning it now, "This isn't in HD!" because to them, it won't be. TNG has a huge cross-over appeal, it could easily go beyond "I buy all Trek stuff" fans, but it won't now.

So they only people who they are satisfying with this are Trek fans who are also purists. We had the arguments about this six months ago, I get how some people feel, and I'm happy they are getting what they want. But especially since they said that they ARE doing 16x9 versions at the same time, just not for Blu-ray, I'll be happy just waiting until they start syndicating them, and I'll just save the series on my TiVo to watch.

I would have loved to been all excited by this release, but there is no way I am going to spend $60-100 on Season 1 when most of the episodes aren't great in the first place, and they aren't offering a significantly new experience. On the budget this show was made on, it's just not there for me. Yes, yes, I can tell the difference between HD and SD - but not enough to purchase an expensive set and get up and put the discs in whenever I want Trek, when I can just dial it up on my TiVo instantly in "good enough" quality.

And that's from someone many would consider a die-hard Trek fan.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

So, seeing the costumes and bad monster make-up even crisper does nothing for me. I was more psyched than anyone about this, because we've seen how good 16x9 conversions have gone before with TV shows. If this had truly been a new experience, I would have been all over it. But if they do not even have a true 16x9 option (zooming and losing resolution, without the extra information is not a substitute that will get me to purchase this), I can't see any reason I'd ever sit and watch these when I can get the episodes on my TiVo that look "good enough" (as during my Trek marathons I'm usually on my laptop or something anyway, and crisper costumes and the bad acting of guest stars in higher resolution won't really be noticed by me).

They have also severely limited the commercial potential by not at least offering a 16x9 option on the discs. It simply will not sell at mass retail now. To the average consumer, HD and 16x9 are synonymous. Now, you and I know the difference - but they don't. If Wal-mart even carries these, I can see customers returning it now, "This isn't in HD!" because to them, it won't be. TNG has a huge cross-over appeal, it could easily go beyond "I buy all Trek stuff" fans, but it won't now.

So they only people who they are satisfying with this are Trek fans who are also purists. We had the arguments about this six months ago, I get how some people feel, and I'm happy they are getting what they want. But especially since they said that they ARE doing 16x9 versions at the same time, just not for Blu-ray, I'll be happy just waiting until they start syndicating them, and I'll just save the series on my TiVo to watch.

And that's from someone many would consider a die-hard Trek fan.

Nope, it has to do with protecting the integrity of the way it was made in the first place. How may other movies get released with an "option" to pick whatever aspect ratio you want? I'll answer that: NONE. That's because you aren't the director, producer, or had anything to do with the show. You are a viewer and you WATCH it. It's funny that it was good enough back when it was made square, but now that TVs are a rectangle, everything somehow has to be a rectangle now just to fill up a stupid TV. News flash: when you go to the theater, the movie doesn't always fill up the screen, you know... that's because there are different aspect ratios! OMG. Really? People continually call themselves "fans" and blu-ray enthusiasts" etc, but honestly, if you were really that, you'd respect the integrity of cinema and the actual creators who took time to frame each shot carefully and use composition to help tell a story, instead of wanting to destroy that just so you don't have a black bar on your precious TV.

Luckily, the producers are smart and honor the show as it was made, and didn't cave into the revisionists who want everything changed only for the sake of convenience.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Not for me.

So they only people who they are satisfying with this are Trek fans who are also purists.

Sucks to be you then.

Seriously though, I'm not a purist (I would have loved to have seen an opened up picture) and I'm totally psyched!

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Thank you for respecting my opinion. Not.

Aw. Don't let retab get you down. He insults everyone he disagrees with (which is most everyone).

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

So they only people who they are satisfying with this are Trek fans who are also purists.

Wrong.
Purists Do Not Watch TNG.

except for Data And Troi, there isn't another crew member worthy to ride the original NCC-1701.
FYI:
If Kirk would have been hot for Crusher, she'd have walked funny for a month.

[nametag]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

I simply was sharing the reasons I am not purchasing this title, and why.

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I understand what you're saying, and not wanting to be argumentative, I guess I'm just wondering why you think a 16x9 conversion would be a 'worthy' upgrade rather than the conversion from SD to HD? I watch so many old film and TV shows in 4x3 that it really doesn't bother me either way, I don't really notice, and as someone who obviously knows about ratios and presumably watches lots of things in 4x3 I guess I just don't understand why you feel it needs to have it changed in order for you to 'experience TNG in a whole new way'? Basically, if an SD-HD upgrade is good enough for however many other films and TV shows you watch, why not for TNG?

[Holmes108]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

ok but you didn't answer the question.

Oh, you're right. Sorry, lol. He claims it will be 4:3.

edit: found the link... he answers it in the comments. If you search on the page for "4:3" it comes up.

http://web.me.com/michaelokuda/micha...EXT_LEVEL.html


Edit 2, I also see I was already ninja'd.

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by nametag

I'm just wondering why you think a 16x9 conversion would be a 'worthy' upgrade rather than the conversion from SD to HD?

Maybe those pesky black bars on either side clash with the drapes.....

[Argonauts]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

Wrong.
Purists Do Not Watch TNG.

except for Data And Troi, there isn't another crew member worthy to ride the original NCC-1701.
FYI:
If Kirk would have been hot for Crusher, she'd have walked funny for a month.

Screw the original star trek, I would put picard, data, Leforge and Warf against the original crew any day, the only thing missing from TNG was a Vulcan main character crew member

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by Argonauts

Screw the original star trek, I would put picard, data, Leforge and Warf against the original crew any day, the only thing missing from TNG was a Vulcan main character crew member

on Kirk's Worst Day Picard and Riker On their Best Day make up half of Kirk.
Khan would eat Picard for lunch and still be hungry.
LaForge Over Scotty? hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[Holmes108]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

Wrong.
Purists Do Not Watch TNG.

except for Data And Troi, there isn't another crew member worthy to ride the original NCC-1701.
FYI:
If Kirk would have been hot for Crusher, she'd have walked funny for a month.

Troi!? Yuck. She was one of the most annoying characters in my opinion.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

on Kirk's Worst Day Picard and Riker On their Best Day make up half of Kirk.
Khan would eat Picard for lunch and still be hungry.
LaForge Over Scotty? hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Scotty OWNED Geordi in that Next Gen episode he was in!
I love both crews equally!

I'll give DS9 a chance if it ever comes to BluRay
I'll give Voyager a 2nd chance if it ever comes to BluRay

I will NEVER ever ever watch Enterprise again. All the continuity errors in the first episode alone made it unwatchable...

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Kirk vs. Picard? really?

i didn't start it.....