Pocahontas / Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World (1995-1998) (Special Edition)

[BluAtreyu]

I'm one of those folks who loves the Disney animated films, am indifferent to the sequels, but have absolutely NO problem with the sequels being included as a 2-movie pack. I am not taking issue with people who are up in arms about it, but to me - it's a significant bonus feature on a movie I love.

What it seems people are failing to realize here is that Disney is out to make money. The cost to put out an underperforming, not particularly well liked DTV sequel like Poc 2 on Blu ray as an individual release would not be worth the money they would see back from it. It's a rough market out there, and Disney does not do Blu ray releases on the cheap (and before you jump all up about F&H - keep in mind that the movie looks DAMN good for its age and significance in the Disney cannon. Most complaints compare it to other Disney movies which have set a RIDICULOUSLY high standard that often even brand new releases from other studios can't match, but if you look at all Blu Rays of films released in 1981, I would imagine F&H is near the top when it comes to picture and sound quality). It is simply NOT worth their time, marketing, money, and manpower to put out a single disc Poc 2 when they could simply stick it on Poc 1 in the same flipper case, and claim they are giving consumers a 2 movie for the price of (basically) 1 bargain. Poc 2 as a single disc blu ray would lose money. But putting it on Poc 1 will likely attract more buyers than it repels, and boost sales ENOUGH to make it worth it.

The Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, and Bambi sequels were VERY big DTV hits and merited individual releases. As were the MERMAID sequels, and, to an extent, the CINDERELLA and TARZAN ones. But I would expect that we will be seeing this bundling on MULAN, HUNCHBACK, BROTHER BEAR, ATLANTIS...

Hardcore, purist, Disneyphiles are NOT the top consumers of Disney animated films. They (we) are a fringe group and as such to not always get our every want and need catered to by money making conglomerate machines like Disney.

I for one, can't wait for this release. And if it's bundled with the sequel, so be it. At least POCAHONTAS is coming to Blu Ray!

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by horizonline

How about a sequel to another Disney animation released the same year then? Mulan 2.

The same year as what?

Originally Posted by animefan77

Sorry, I didn't read the entire thread, so I didn't know if it was mentioned or not. All I saw was that Australian version was being released in double pack. Is the double pack confirmed for US release too? (I really really hope not)

Actually I think the US is one of the few countries we know nothing about the release of Pocahontas on BD.

[disneyfreak]

Sure there are some rotten sequels in the batch but which studio can you not say about that? Some movies that had THEATRICAL released sequels from warner, universal and other studios were horrible. I like several of the sequels.
IMO there are some rather good sequels from disney! (:

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

IMO there are some rather good sequels from disney! (:

I agree!

[Caesar Will Rise]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Sure there are some rotten sequels in the batch but which studio can you not say about that? Some movies that had THEATRICAL released sequels from warner, universal and other studios were horrible. I like several of the sequels.
IMO there are some rather good sequels from disney! (:

Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas, The Lion King II: Simba's Pride, Bambi II, and Brother Bear 2 were the best of the lot IMO. Bambi II had the benefit of the marvelous Patrick Stewart lending his silky vocals to the Prince. It also had some wonderful songs. Brother Bear II benefited from Melissa Etheridge's music and committed voice work from Mandy Moore and Patrick Dempsey.

[disneyfreak]

I have quite a few sequels i would watch, but the disney sequels that stand out to me are:
Beauty and the Beast the enchanted christmas
Bambi II
The Little Mermaid 3
Cinderella 3
The Lion king 2
Aladdin and the King of thieves
Mulan 2
and a Extremely goofy Movie.
:P

[Caesar Will Rise]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

I have quite a few sequels i would watch, but the disney sequels that stand out to me are:
Beauty and the Beast the enchanted christmas
Bambi II
The Little Mermaid 3
Cinderella 3
The Lion king 2
Aladdin and the King of thieves
Mulan 2
and a Extremely goofy Movie.
:P

Extremely Goofy was alright. I love the disco sequence with Goofy. But it in no way matches the first. That one was hysterical and touching. Blu hurry up.

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by Caesar Will Rise

Extremely Goofy was alright. I love the disco sequence with Goofy. But it in no way matches the first. That one was hysterical and touching. Blu hurry up.

your right that movie isn't as good as the first, but most sequels non-disney or disney don't match the movie before them.

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by horizonline

How about a sequel to another Disney animation released the same year then? Mulan 2.

Originally Posted by Lnds500

The same year as what?

In bold and circled in yellow.

Originally Posted by horizonline

How about a sequel to another Disney animation released the same year then? Mulan 2.

[Show spoiler]

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by horizonline

In bold and circled in yellow.

[Show spoiler]

Mulan 2 was released in 2004. But what does it have to do with my posts?

[taei]

As long as Pocahontas gets the perfect quality I am fine with whatever they do.. Its been long since ive given up on Home Releases of Disney. They had a few good covers for their platinum editions... but right I just want to watch the movie..I wonder if a magical store would open that sells fan made slip covers. Heaven?

[horizonline]

Here is a comparison between the R2 Scandinavia DVD and an 720p.HDTV.x264 encode.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=12515

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by horizonline

Here is a comparison between the R2 Scandinavia DVD and an 720p.HDTV.x264 encode.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=12515

WTF??????

what aspect ratio is that?? it looks like the HDTVRip is 1.78.1 and it has more info on the sides and sliiighty less on top and bottom than the 1.66:1 DVDrip.

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

WTF??????

what aspect ratio is that?? it looks like the HDTVRip is 1.78.1 and it has more info on the sides and sliiighty less on top and bottom than the 1.66:1 DVDrip.

I've never been able to track down specs for the R2 Scandinavia release, but the 10th Anniversary Edition R1 DVD is AR 1.66:1. I know even less about the HDTV transfer.

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by horizonline

I've never been able to track down specs for the R2 Scandinavia release, but the 10th Anniversary Edition R1 DVD is AR 1.66:1. I know even less about the HDTV transfer.

I'm fairly positive that's the Gold Collection's transfer. that was 1.66:1 if I'm not mistaken. The 10th anniversary measures close to 1.70:1. But the HDTVRip clearly has a good chunk of extra image in there. Good. I'm in

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

I'm fairly positive that's the Gold Collection's transfer. that was 1.66:1 if I'm not mistaken. The 10th anniversary measures close to 1.70:1. But the HDTVRip clearly has a good chunk of extra image in there. Good. I'm in

I haven't seen the DVDs.

[Lnds500]

I "found" the HDTVRip. it measures exactly 1.68:1. I guess the old DVD's AR was less that that.

[kquig91]

I went back and looked at my HDTVRip, and here was the video properties I got out of it.

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 9 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 21mn
Bit rate : 4 000 Kbps
Width : 1 210 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 1.681
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.191
Stream size : 2.22 GiB (88%)
Title : x264 2 pass
Writing library : x264 core 109 r1790+347 dcd2519
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=9 / deblock=1:-2:-2 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=tesa / subme=10 / psy=1 / fade_compensate=0.80 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / fgo=0 / bframes=7 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=150 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=4000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 21mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Video delay : 8ms
Stream size : 260 MiB (10%)
Title : DD5.1 @ 448kbps from NTSC DVD
Language : English

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by kquig91

I went back and looked at my HDTVRip, and here was the video properties I got out of it.

Yeah, that's the same Rip that I have.

[kquig91]

It's a pretty good rip from just watching it on my laptop screen to me. I haven't tried hooking it up to a TV to see how it looks on a larger screen.