New Disney titles for 2012 (Rescuers Aristocats Pocahontas etc.) !

[DaViD Boulet]

My big fear with Little Mermaid and Aladdin is that we'll get the "enhanced" mix only in lossless, and get the theatrical mix in DD lossy or not at all. In both cases of these films, the original 5.1 mixes sounded *astoundingly better* than the "enhanced for home theater" mixes that ended up on the last round of DVDs. Disney's 20-something audio engineers have no concept of high-fidelity and simply noise-reduce and EQ the hell out of their historic soundtracks and consider the MP3-sounding results perfection... because they have no clue.

Listen to Mary Poppins' "enhanced" mix on the last DVD and compare to the former DVD's 5.1 mix or the laserdisc's 2.0 or 5.1 mix if you want another shocking example of how bad Disney's treatment of historic tracks can be.

Please oh please... god's of blu-ray... let us hear these films the way the original mixing engineers intended... full frequency and with all original resolution in tact....

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Some of those I highly doubt will be released with there packages, Lilo and stitch has 2 DTV sequels, the diamond editions may be released in a trilogy,

Three, actually, for a total of four movies--
Two in movie canon, and two in TV series canon, which may have them divided up into double features.

BUT they will most likely always get a separate release option. Some i do agree with, but zero to hero will most likely never get a release again. Hunchback, mulan and brother bear are the most likely out of your whole list. As the others were originally either TV pilots, or they are trilogys (tarzan, Lilo, and the diamond editions will most likely all have separate releases) I doubt the pooh films are all going to be mashed together MAYBE, 2 together, and the 40's films will probably be packaged and split up.

Saludos/Caballeros are now eternally bound together after being "rescued" for that DVD edition to promote Epcot--It's good, since Saludos plays like the "Making-of" featurette for 3C.
Music and Melody take way more abusive guff from the historians/fans than they deserve, so I definitely see Disney experimenting with more B-catalog double features (and they're short, anyway). Fun/Fancy, though, still has Mickey to promote it, and I'd wager the same for Mr. Toad over Ichabod.

Still, it's nice to see that we have the rhythm down:
Diamonds get separate sequels, "Regular" movies get combos to clean up the catalog. In the case of Pocahontas II and Hunchback II, that's as it should be.

[The Mad Kiwi]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

We don't know if the extras are SD or not.

I guarantee you they will be. Those features were edited (and likely shot) in SD for the 1996 laserdisc and then were carried over to DVD in 2005. There's no way Disney's going to go back and remaster them in HD. They didn't even bother making the "Reflections on Alice" featurette and "Pig and Pepper" deleted scene on the Alice in Wonderland disc HD even though those features were produced only a year before for the Un-Anniversary Edition DVD.

Originally Posted by GC Riot

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
This title might be bundled with The Tigger Movie, Piglet's Big Movie and Pooh's Heffalump Movie (it was shown theatrically in some contries), but most likely it will be released separately, with perhaps a box set option.

I actually think (or hope) that if Many Adventures ends up being a 2-Movie Collection, that it gets paired with Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin. The Tigger Movie, Piglet's Big Movie, and Pooh's Heffalump Movie feel more like spin-offs to me, and it seems Disney feels the same way since those three were bundled together in a DVD boxed set at one point.

I'm also with EricJ that the anthology features will be probably be bundled together in 2-movie collections based on theme. Otherwise, I think the rest of your list is spot-on.

[disneyfreak]

Did anyone happen to post on here or anywhere that there is one bonus feature classified for the rescuers on bbc? http://www.bbfc.co.uk/ATBVF020879/ I feel like I saw someone post it but just in case actually now that i look at it, i don't know what it is. Because it says its Rescuers 35th anniversary / rescuers down under but im pretty sure there combined run time isn't 1 minute and 2 seconds XD its really unspecified.

[disneyblucollector]

The Rescuers = great! A 2 Movie Collection for both of the films isn't exactly terrible, and it kind of makes sense to me. Both are Canon films so it doesn't bother me.
Aladdin= Fantastic!
The Aristocats= cool.
Pocahontas 1 & 2= WTH.

Now, I didn't mind Fantasia for the same reason I don't mind The Rescuers as a two film collection; because they makes sense since they ARE related AND they are Canon. I CAN'T accept Pocahontas being packaged with its subpar sequel, which isn't Canon. It bothers the hell out of me that Disney is doing this. The Fox and the Hound, unfortunately, I have because it was a gift. Would I have gotten it by myself? Probably not, because it was packaged with its sequel. I can understand Disney's logic behind doing this: money. I can understand why parents would like this. Hey, two movies for practically the price of one. However, since I am NOT a parent, and I am a big Disney *****, I don't appreciate this. I'm praying from now on that Disney releases the films separately also.
I've tried contacting Disney many times, using so many different aliases. I doubt they've taken the time to read my messages, but a guy can try. I probably won't be buying Pocahontas or any other film released in this fashion if Disney wants to play the game like that. If its a war they want, its a war they'll get.

[disneyblucollector]

Originally Posted by BellesBiggestFan

The marketability of it at Christmas has much more to do with the release date of The Little Mermaid than a theatrical run or any other release.

Ariel has always been one of Disney's most heavily merchandised characters. Just go and walk into a Disney Store. She's given way a little bit at the moment to Belle and Rapunzel in the UK, but you can still find lots of Ariel stuff in there.

I don't think you could say the same for Peter Pan.

I'm convinced The Little Mermaid will be a fall release.

Very, very true. You know the world is ending if you walk in and see no Ariel.

And I also agree on Peter Pan. The only character from Peter Pan that's marketed so much is Tinker Bell, who has gotten her OWN franchise. Hoping Peter will be shown a lot more after he's released on blu.

[disneyblucollector]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

This is pretty exciting. Disney is the only studio I'll consistently buy every release from.

Looking forward to them all, even Tinker Bell and the Secret of the Wings. Hell, especially Tinker Bell. The plots of these movies are decent and the animation is just top notch. They look amazing on Blu-ray, as good as any Pixar title. I don't see how you can call yourself a Disney fan and not like the Tinker Bell movies.

I wonder when they'll release Pixie Hollow Games on Blu-ray. Hopefully it's a bonus feature on Secret of the Wings?

Disappointed there's no Mulan in the list, but they'll probably do that one in 2013 so they can do a "15th Anniversary" release. Can't have an anniversary that doesn't end in a 0 or a 5, can we? :/

I completely agree with you on the Tink films; they are the ONLY DTV Disney films I will watch, because the stories are actually good and the animation isn't bad.

[disneyblucollector]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Mulan II wasn't bad in my opinion, Now Pocahontas ii is another thing

I thought they were both terrible, but if you can find something to like about Mulan 2, more power to you.
Honestly, I have NO problem with Disney releasing these combo packs with the cheapquels for the people who actually want them, but I just want my single version with the classic I love.

[disneyblucollector]

Originally Posted by Ooze33

It's hard to see, but it looks like it says Secret of the Wings is going to be on Blu-ray 3D too.

I'm really excited for these releases, but I'm also really scared by these 2 Movie Collections. If Mulan's eventual Blu-ray release is paired with Mulan II......

Oh my God don't put that in my mind *shivers*

[TheAnimeLegend]

I am glad to see that Aladdin is going to be coming out. When I was a kid that was one of my favorite movies to watch so I am definitely looking forward to this release. However, I suppose the reason that it won't be until next year when it finally comes out is because the may be planning to bring out the entire series in one big trilogy much like they did with the Lion King.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by disneyblucollector

I completely agree with you on the Tink films; they are the ONLY DTV Disney films I will watch, because the stories are actually good and the animation isn't bad.

Well, they are good, but don't skimp the Aladdin sequels--
The pilot/finale for the Disney Afternoon TV series, yes, but arguably the best series to come out of the Disney Afternoon.

I thought they were both terrible, but if you can find something to like about Mulan 2, more power to you.

Two things, actually:
1) Keeping the fake Eddie Murphy imitator downstaged means less Eddie Murphy shtick, meaning
2) More concentration on Mulan, now as "girl power" role model.

And I also agree on Peter Pan. The only character from Peter Pan that's marketed so much is Tinker Bell, who has gotten her OWN franchise. Hoping Peter will be shown a lot more after he's released on blu.

Peter Pan's rather heavily marketed to boys at the Parks, and Hook was leading the Villain marketing for a while--
Still, "Return to Neverland" (back when Disney was cranking out vintage sequels for copyright renewal) was more of a horror than it should have been.

[GP Legend]

Hell yeah for Aladdin! Now where the hell are Hercules and Tarzan?

[hpDeskjet600C]

Originally Posted by GP Legend

Hell yeah for Aladdin! Now where the hell are Hercules and Tarzan?

I don't know how much longer I can last waiting for these Disney classics.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by rlw1984

I am glad to see that Aladdin is going to be coming out. When I was a kid that was one of my favorite movies to watch so I am definitely looking forward to this release. However, I suppose the reason that it won't be until next year when it finally comes out is because the may be planning to bring out the entire series in one big trilogy much like they did with the Lion King.

It's a Diamond Edition title, that's why you're going to have to wait. I'm sure there will be a trilogy package, who knows, maybe even an Aladdin TV series collection. Interesting that it is coming out just a few months shy of the film's 20th anniversary.

Yes, Aladdin is twenty years old. Time to take your Geritol.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

My big fear with Little Mermaid and Aladdin is that we'll get the "enhanced" mix only in lossless, and get the theatrical mix in DD lossy or not at all. In both cases of these films, the original 5.1 mixes sounded *astoundingly better* than the "enhanced for home theater" mixes that ended up on the last round of DVDs. Disney's 20-something audio engineers have no concept of high-fidelity and simply noise-reduce and EQ the hell out of their historic soundtracks and consider the MP3-sounding results perfection... because they have no clue.

Listen to Mary Poppins' "enhanced" mix on the last DVD and compare to the former DVD's 5.1 mix or the laserdisc's 2.0 or 5.1 mix if you want another shocking example of how bad Disney's treatment of historic tracks can be.

Please oh please... god's of blu-ray... let us hear these films the way the original mixing engineers intended... full frequency and with all original resolution in tact....

David, has that really been a problem on Blu-Ray? I know the evil of which you speak, but I think Disney's audio track record on Blu has been almost spotless, with the the obvious exclusion of the lossy track on Bambi.

And yeah, whoever approved the audio Enhanced Mix for the Mary Poppins DVD should be fired, I'm confident that won't be a problem with the Blu-Ray, whenever it comes.

[Mastaplan23]

DUDE!! I'm definitely getting all these (except Secret of the Wings) It would bring way, way closer to remaking my VHS collection when I was a kid.

[Rambaldi47]

The combo pack wouldn't bother me if they didn't give the sequel just as much space on the cover as the original. They should only be bonus features. A little bubble in the bottom corner advertising the inclusion of the sequel would be enough.

[disneyblucollector]

Originally Posted by Rambaldi47

The combo pack wouldn't bother me if they didn't give the sequel just as much space on the cover as the original. They should only be bonus features. A little bubble in the bottom corner advertising the inclusion of the sequel would be enough.

That's exactly what I believe! I don't exactly mind the sequels being in there; what I mind is that these pieces of junk are getting advertised on the cover like they are the greatest thing. It would've been fine if, as you said, they got a little bubble, yes. And quite frankly, because they want to do that, Disney decides to make cover art for both films, and the result is a mess.

[disneyblucollector]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Peter Pan's rather heavily marketed to boys at the Parks, and Hook was leading the Villain marketing for a while--
Still, "Return to Neverland" (back when Disney was cranking out vintage sequels for copyright renewal) was more of a horror than it should have been.

I was actually talking about the Disney Store; I haven't been to any of the parks in ages, unfortunately. And don't get me started about 'Return to Never land'

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It's a Diamond Edition title, that's why you're going to have to wait. I'm sure there will be a trilogy package, who knows, maybe even an Aladdin TV series collection. Interesting that it is coming out just a few months shy of the film's 20th anniversary.

Yes, Aladdin is twenty years old. Time to take your Geritol.

Well, that hasn't really stopped anyone now has it? Ben Hur was marketed as a 50th Anniversary Edition even though it was released in its 52nd year since the restoration process took longer than expected. Don't be surprised if Aladdin will indeed be a 20th Anniversary Edition